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Military men and women are true American heroes who spill their blood fighting for our freedoms. But are we doing all we can as a nation to honor our contract with these warriors? When a soldier survives war, oftentimes he/she comes home and to face a different battle. Dr. Phil's guests are vets who say they've returned from the front lines only to fight a medical system bureaucracy that is failing them. Randy was severely injured during an ambush while deployed in Iraq. His mother, Tammy, says the military lied to him, and used him, and that Randy was eventually lost in the system. She says getting any help from Veterans Affairs is a struggle with minimal results. Dr. Phil introduces this wounded warrior to two special people who want to make his life better. Next, Jerry says he got a "raw deal" when he returned from Iraq, and he's struggling with what he believes to be Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). His wife says Jerry is angry and violent, and she's afraid of him. You won't believe what they say Veterans Affairs advised Jerry to do to cope with his suicidal thoughts. Chairman of the House Committee on Veteran's Affairs, Congressman Bob Filner, and FOX News military analyst Colonel David Hunt passionately share their opinions about health care for veterans. Then, Kevin and Joyce say their son came home from Iraq a changed man. They say they tried to get him help for what they believed was severe PTSD, but it didn't come in time. And, Tammy Duckworth, Director of the Illinois Department of Veteran Affairs and Paul Rieckhoff, Director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, weigh in on the cases. If you're an American, this is your call to arms to step up and help turn things around for the men and women in uniform. Join the discussion.

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December 19, 2008, 2:06 pm PST

lost in the system

How can the government let are men go through this i have listen to the men on your show all i here is excuses. No we did not expect to go to war but hasn't anyone of the V.A ever heard of expect the unexpected. My husband was over sea when the Desert Storm War was going on. He was considered in the line of duty injured. He and four other guys were in a deadly car accident two guys died and my husband and another guy were crushed. My husbands  left side of his body was crushed ,his spleen was crushed,the back of his head was flapping in the wind. He was taken to a military hospital in Germany and was fixed sent home to Maryland and was basically told to sign a paper and take this bonus and get out of the army because you are worthless to "us". Then was suppose to pay the bonus back and never heard anymore after that.  With no explanation of what or why . Then from the time he was trying to recover he was homeless jobless and trying to recover from his injuries. Nobody cared that he was in the military. Every since then for the last 13yrs he has tried to get and UNDELETED copy of his DD-2-14 the military sends him a deleted copy and always gets the run around and no help from the military of any kind. I am proud to be an American and what are Men and Women are doing for us, but I am so angry that our goverment treats are Men and Women like used garbage and I hope that my boys and my daughter does not go in any type of  the armed forces.
 
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December 19, 2008, 2:08 pm PST

beyond the front lines

Dr Phil This porblem is nothing new.  I am retired army officer who take care of my of my older brother who is  1oo per cent disabled military vet. After years of dealing with several veterans hospital in Alabama my brother was scheduled for a hip replacement in Birmingham veterans hospital  THE DAY THE OPERARION WAS TO BE PERFORMED MY BROTHER LAYED ON BED READY TO BE WHELLED INTO SURGERY.  AT 12;30 PM HE WAS WHELLED INTO SURGERY ROOM ONLY TO BE TOLD THAT HIS HIP REPLACEMENT WAS CANCELLED.  SINCE I HAVE LEGAL POWER OF ATTORNY I ASKED THE DR WHY THE SURGERY WAS CANCELLED SHE TOLD ME SHE COULD DO THE SURGERY BUT THERE WAS NO ONE THERE TO TAKE CARE OF HIM AFTER THE SURGERY.  I ASK HER TO  REPEAT TO MAKE SURE WHAT I HEARD AND SHE SAID THE SAME THING.  SHE SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO BE RESCHULED SO I SAID HOW ABOUT TOMMORROW.  SHE SAID NEXT MONTH.  SO WHAT YOU SHOW 

 

IS ABOUT IS NOTHING NEW.  ONCE YOU ARE RETIRED OR DISABLE AS MY BROTHER YOU HAVE TO DEFEND FOR YOURSELF.  I MY CASE I HAVE TO DEFEND FOR MYSELF AND MY BROTHERS     MAJOR RETIRED HARRY C LINSENBIGLER JR AND WILLIAM G LINSENBIGLER            

 
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December 19, 2008, 2:10 pm PST

fighting the VA

Long story short:  My husband was exposed to plutonium and uranium from fallout from hydrogen bombs that had been cracked open from an air crash over Los Palomares, Spain on Jan. 17, 1966.  My husband was a first responder with a helicopter unit to rescue people or bodies.  He and the crew were there for over ten days being exposed to the radiation.  They were not wearing any hazmat suits whatsoever nor were they ever told or tested.  My husband has cancer now that is believed to have come from that exposure, but the VA refuses to grant him military connected disability and refuses to compensate him as they should.  However, they have compensated hundreds of Spaniards where this happened.  Our congressman's office in Asheville, NC, has been working on the claim for us, but we have been denied again.  I agree with the colonel on your show today that what our VA is not doing for these men is criminal.  We need help.  You can look up the crash over Spain by googling the name and date above.  It should tell you all.  If anyone knows what else we can do for help, please let us know.  My husband can no longer work, and I quit working to take care of him.

Caregiving wife

 
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December 19, 2008, 2:13 pm PST

THE NIGHTMARE

I am a vet. and I am 22. I wasnt hurt in Iraq. I was hurt on leave in a car accident while going to speed limit, and wear a seat belt. I had serve head trauma to my left side of my face and head. I was three weeks pregnant at the time. I had two seizures on the way to the hospital. I was check out as much as they could with the circumstances.

I returned to my command to face a firing quad worth of questions. (none of them very nice)

I was ridiculed, and terrorized by people in my command.

36 weeks pregnant I woke up with seizures, blue in the face and almost dead my hubby (also on active duty) rush me to the hospital. I delivered our baby girl four weeks early.

I was put on seizures medication, and my weapon was taken from me.(I was a police officer)

I went to my command told told them my situation, I had my driving privileges taken from me. My command told me it wasnt there problem. I had a duty to get to work. My hubby drove 90 miles everyday taking me to work, taking the baby to daycare, and going to work himself.

I continued to have the seizures, so instead of my command trying to get me help they signed papers and routed them around ppl to get me kicked out.

I still have nightmares and cant sleep because of the mean and nasty things that were done to me by my own command. Its like reliving a nightmare every day.

I am still waiting for the VA to help me... Its been a year since I got out of the military. I was told there are soldiers who need more help and faster, than I do.

I cant hold a job, not suppose to be alone with my child, and until recently wasnt able to drive.

When my husband is deployed or in training its really hard.

I will never regret serving my country... I just wish I could get some help too.

i just want everyone to know that its just not people who go over seas that dont get help. I dont understand who the VA is helping these days.
 
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December 19, 2008, 2:15 pm PST

Re: 12-19-08 show-VA care

Unfortunately the stories told on today's show are not the exceptions. My husband is a disabled Vietnam combat veteran and he has been mistreated by the VA system his entire adult life. He sustained a traumatic brain injury at age 20 in Vietnam, was patched up and sent back to combat, where he began to suffer severe PTSD. It took 12 years after discharge to finally get a diagnosis, after jumping through the many hoops they set for him. Finally at age 40, at his own expense he went to a civilian Dr. because he was getting no help from the VA. It got so bad that just the thought of going to VA facility triggered PTSD symptoms. He has tons of stories and paperwork regarding his quest for some help. He is now 62 and is paying every month for Blue Cross / Medicare insurance. He sees a VA doctor once a year to get his medications. We have been thinking for years exactly what Col. Hunt suggested. Why not issue Vets a card and let them get medical care locally. It would save the government money to close down the VA facilities and get rid of all the incompetent beauracrats. If word gets out to our volunteer military that they aren't going to get the wonderful health care promised them, there will be much fewer signing on and then where will we be in the eyes of the world??
 
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December 19, 2008, 2:19 pm PST

vietnam wife

My husband is a Vietnam vet and he still talks about how they were treated when they came home.  He drinks really heavy and when we watch anything over television about the Vietnam war, he cries.  It breaks my heart because I know he feels he should have not survived the war and feels guilty that he did.  I think that every man or women that is discharged from the service (active duty) should have a full physical and mental evaluation to see how it has effected them.  My dad was a World II vet and I was sleeping in the next bedroom one night when I was hurt and I heard a strange noise coming from the bedroom and yelled to my mom that something was wrong with dad.  She went and checked and came back and said that he does that all the time.  He had been dreaming that he was in the war yet.  My dad was 75 years old then and had been suffering all that time.  Our government needs to step up to the plate and do what is morally right. 
 
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December 19, 2008, 2:22 pm PST

12/19 Beyond the Front Lines

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Dear Fellow Readers:
Thank you for reading my message board posting.

Two unresolved issue are facing our soldiers, marines, sailors, and airmen/women: (1) attorneys and (2) Psychologists/Psychiatrists. Issue one references the unethical legal attack methodology that is used by our legal profession against many who have served in combat, regardless of the war. The legal attack method is to allege that those who have served are 'trained killers'. The 'trained killer' are bad. Therefore, they are guilty. This guilt is built into the thesis, that the jury will view the 'defendant' as a 'trained killer', i.e., a bad person. Therefore, he/she are guilty. Obviously, this is a reflection on the emotional issues as opposed to a factual issues. We are seeing the falsification of complaints in divorce cases that have alleged that our soldiers, marines, sailors, and airmen/women, because they have served, are therefore violent and have committed violent acts. Evidential investigations are providing that this falsification is becoming more prevalent. Issue two references the unethical psychological/psychiatric methodology of the inappropriate classification and diagnosis of PTSD. Again, through evidential investigations, these classification and diagnosis are beginning  to invalidate the alleged findings. For example, someone who is not in combat, but in a support position, such as 'supply logistics' away from all forms of combat, located on a base, not in contact with others who are in combat, and have shown absolutely no prior or present characteristics of PTSD are being examined, interviewed, and suggestively concluded that they may have PTSD.
Wherefore, a word of warning to the soldiers, marines, sailors, airmen/women; many of the inexperienced and possibly unethical professionals as stipulated are using your service to your nation as their newest weapon against you. This is not to scare you, but to allow you to see past the certification and license on their wall in their office.
My son is in the army stationed right now at Ft. Riley, Kansas.  He has served two (2), 15 month tours in Iraq.  Though thankfully he returned home safe with no physical damage, but does suffer considerabile PTSD.  He has a lovely wife and three wonderful children who are also victims of this disorder.  I thought it is also now a good time to bring up what the army is trying to do to him now.  My son joined the army as his career and now being diagnosed with PTSD the army has labeled him as un-deployable (not able to be sent back into war).  They are now in the process of trying to get him out of the army because to them what good is he if he cannot serve a third or fourth tour of duty.  This seems to be another problem that is hurting our service men and not many people know about it.  My heart goes out to all who suffer with this illness, the nightmares, the crying in your sleep, the fear of crowds, the emptiness and most of what I see the anger and fear in his eyes.  Thank you for the "Beyond the Frontlines" and letting the people out there knowing what is going on. 
 

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December 19, 2008, 2:22 pm PST

Don't give up...keep fighting for those who served

A year ago I sent hundreds of letters to Senators and Congressmen on behalf of WWII and Korean Vets who where having benefits taken away because they worked hard all their lives and saved and now because they had some money in the bank the VA was kicking them out the system.  No one cared what their income was when they enlisted and went to war, but now when they need help, the system is turning them away.  Dr. Phil, I work for a VA Medical Center (Geriatric Clinic) and the VA requires a yearly "means test" income verification unless they are service connected, also the men and women that are returning now only get 2 years unless they actually find something wrong and then there are so many hoops and obstacles most give up (I did) and I work there.  Senator Claire McCaskill was the only one that responded

and recently sent an update of changes that have been made.  I fully agree with what you said about the 700billion bailout, and the VA system needs a major overhaul, most recently brought about by the deplorable conditions at Walter Reed Medical Center.

 

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December 19, 2008, 2:24 pm PST

having similar problem

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My son-in-law was in the Army for 8 years. In that time he served in Afghanistan. While there his nerve ending in his left arm surfaced.  My daughter and him married on July 9, 2005 and on July 29 he had surgery to reposition the nerve endings. It didn't work, couldn't lift, etc.  The Army wanted him in battle, the aftermath, he took medical discharge. Had to have another surgery on his arm this past year. As for money, the Army and the VA has really let him down. We have asked the kids to get in touch with a congressman or something. His records at Ft Campbell is not for VA viewing and his records is getting lost.

Can't wait to see the show to see if something can happen to help our daughter and son-in-law. They are drowning in debt.

Thanks

Jeanie Lawyer

my husband is a vet of desert storm where he was injured. he had to have surgery in 2002 in which the va hospital further injured him  leaving his left foot paralyzed.  we have been fighting the va ever since. we even looked into an attorney who looked at his file in chicago IL and said his has blantently forged papers and several sections of his medical records at the va have been blacked out.  chicago has claimed to have lost his file four times now. we were told we are finially one denial away from his case leaving the state level and going to the federal level. my husband has since too suffured futher injuring that were cause  by the service injury and it just keeps going...he feels as though he is a walking medical time bomb no one wants to acknowledge.

we have written our congress and senators and i can tell you that they have told us the only thing they can do is what the case and support us...but in no way can speed the process,  you should be able to request a copy of his medical records from ft campbell through a local va rep in your area....that is how we got my husbands from california. i would highly suggest you keep your own copies of any medical record as they happen along with any xrays...that has saved us on many occasions.  good luck

 
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December 19, 2008, 2:25 pm PST

There is hope

To all of the victims of the military and it's dismissive treatment of you...My prayerful support goes out to each and every one of you. I know from personal experience, your mind CAN be renewed. Please know that you are loved and God wants you healed more than even you want to be healed. He really does.

Even though I was only the wife of an enlisted man during Viet Nam (we were stationed overseas) I experienced ptsd and of course it was never diagnosed. But with a lot of counseling and God's love, I have finally come to a good place. Just remember, never, never, never, never, never, NEVER give up. Your soldiering has not ended, you are just in a new battle- for your heart and mind! And you CAN be victorious.

 
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