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Parents, you may not know it, but there is a threat looming in your home. It’s a frightening and dangerous trend that affects the good girls -- cheerleaders, honor students and college graduates -- and law enforcement agencies across the country are up in arms. No longer needing to walk the streets to offer sex for money, young women are turning to the reputable Web site craigslist.com in order to sell their bodies. Next to the area on the site where you can buy a jungle gym for your child, you can access erotic ads, where young women post sexy photos and advertise sex for money. When Ashley was in college pursuing a bachelor’s degree, she never predicted that she would one day meet strangers for sex in order to pay off her student loans. She says she wants to quit the dangerous profession before something horrible happens, but thinks she’s addicted to the “easy money.” Crystal says she was also addicted to the money until she was nearly killed. Hear her horrific story and how her life is now that she has escaped the industry. Could Crystal’s tale be the wake-up call Ashley needs? Then, meet a mother who fears her daughter may be using craigslist to exchange sex for money. What can she do to protect her daughter? Sheriff of Cook County, Illinois Tom Dart and Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal weigh in. Lawmakers have formed a coalition to rid craigslist of its erotic service section, but find out why they’ve been fighting an uphill battle. Join the discussion.

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April 2, 2009, 2:13 pm CDT

Thanks for your reply!

Quote From: maryishopeful

Like I said before in my first post. Prostitution,porn or stripping is NEVER anyones path. It's never what any child says they want to be one day. I call it the lost path one takes when they get off path for what ever reason drugs,addictions whatever but it's nobodys mission as women we have so much more to offer.

 

I'm sending her prayers ,never give up on her. Can you get her together for an intervention?

 

I'll keep you posted on my bar call backs for tomorrow. I really love Dr,Phils shows,like I said this show just really bothered me to the point of taking full on action to get out. I'm also seeking a good counselor or group that can  help me with a sponsor to not fall back into in desperate times.......Keep me posted Jewel

 

hugs

Dear Mary,

  Thank you for taking the time to read what I had written to you. As to the situation where I called the wife, her husband was consistently picking up regular street hookers who were in fact infected with the HIV virus, they had all been tested. I know that you are not the typical street walker so please don't EVER think that I have put you into that category, I haven't by any means! Something else that has bothered me for years? While my husband and I were in Bakersfield, CA for his job, we were driving down the street where the hookers hang to pick up their 'Johns' and I saw a woman selling herself while she must have been at least 8 months pregnant. I will never get this image out of my mind. So incredibly sad.

  That you so much for your understand and support for my niece who is going through this. I would at least feel better if she were in the 'Call girl Industry than what she has ended up doing, although none of it is what I want for her. I wish my family was strong enough for an Intervention, but I have several family members who have the way of thinking "She has to hit bottom before she will be willing to help herself". I don't agree with that at all! I believe loved ones should intervene as soon as possible and try to prevent someone from having to hit 'rock bottom'. That's an butt backwards way of thinking in my mind. I watch the show Intervention and the counselors believe the same as I do.

  Thank you so very much for caring about the life of my niece. It's the drugs that have pushed her to these limits. Just recently she had her foot nail gunned into the floor by a man, I have no idea why. No idea hat had happened. The danger is obviously escalating and I fear for her life. I'm tearing up as I write this. Her and I had always been very close but after so many years of using meth she's no longer the same person.

  She's currently in a halfway house after spending 30 days in a rehab program. Here's the kicker! Her own mother and other members of my family are already planning for her fall once she leaves the 'Bible Thumpers' and is back on her own again. Maybe if she could receive some positive thoughts and support she would have a better chance of NOT going back to the drug, but personally I don't think it looks good with all of the negative karma coming from so many people. I refuse to become negative until she does make a mistake, I think she should be given a chance to prove herself before any more judgments and expectations are made of her at this time.

  Yes, please keep me informed of how the interviews go! I'll give you my email address at the bottom of this post. You are obviously a smart, intelligent and beautiful (inside and out) woman who does have so much more to offer. I believe that you will find your 'right' path in life, and soon. It's obvious that you are not happy in what you've been doing in the past.

  I've got a lot to do right now but I was wanting to touch base with you as soon as I could. I hope your interviews go exceptionally well and I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Please write to me through my email so we can get to know each other in private. Have a beautiful day!

 

Big Huhs to you,

Jewels

 

  topfuelfan@hotmail.com

 

 

 

 
April 2, 2009, 2:27 pm CDT

You don't understand..........?

Quote From: princern

Plenty of jobs are unsafe.  People who climb atop sky scrapers for a living carry a risk and they get paid to take that risk.  Prostitution carries a risk just like anything else.  A boy died today in a hit and run walking down the street and the perpatrator left a note saying they are sorry but have a family but took a child from anothers family.

 

There's risk in everything, risk in being a nurse the list goes on...you people just morally think people shouldn't be doing what they should have a right to do with their own bodies.  That's your real problem.

 

I have an idea...lets ban sky diving, parasailing, skiing, swimming, Nascar, flying in planes, the space shuttle that has killed at least 12 people the list goes on....ban all things that carry risk.  Why just prostituiton?  Mind your own business for once.

  Excuse me, you don't understand the difference between the dangers involved in prostitution and anything else? Are you kidding me? The women who work for a Call Girl Service are much more protected (but still in danger) but a woman on her own without knowing who she is with puts her life on the line every single time she gets into a car with a man or meets him at a motel.

  I'm fully aware that this is one business that will be around forever but I certainly wouldn't endorse it as a career move, as you seem to be doing. If we are meant to mind our own business than maybe Dr. Phil shouldn't have a message board for us to state our own opinions. Take it up with him!

  No, I have no problem with the moral issues here, but I have deep feelings on how intensely dangerous this profession is. As to the idea that a woman should have the right to do with their own bodies? Yes, that's true. But maybe they are doing the wrong thing with their own bodies. You don't consider a woman's body to be precious and too good to give away for money? You don't think these women should have a better life? You don't think that this will have consequences down the road as to their own self esteem and mental status? Yes it's a choice but not one that I think they would prefer.

  Your post is quite simply ridiculous.  

 
April 3, 2009, 10:18 am CDT

actually...

Quote From: jewelsf

  Excuse me, you don't understand the difference between the dangers involved in prostitution and anything else? Are you kidding me? The women who work for a Call Girl Service are much more protected (but still in danger) but a woman on her own without knowing who she is with puts her life on the line every single time she gets into a car with a man or meets him at a motel.

  I'm fully aware that this is one business that will be around forever but I certainly wouldn't endorse it as a career move, as you seem to be doing. If we are meant to mind our own business than maybe Dr. Phil shouldn't have a message board for us to state our own opinions. Take it up with him!

  No, I have no problem with the moral issues here, but I have deep feelings on how intensely dangerous this profession is. As to the idea that a woman should have the right to do with their own bodies? Yes, that's true. But maybe they are doing the wrong thing with their own bodies. You don't consider a woman's body to be precious and too good to give away for money? You don't think these women should have a better life? You don't think that this will have consequences down the road as to their own self esteem and mental status? Yes it's a choice but not one that I think they would prefer.

  Your post is quite simply ridiculous.  

If you claim to have no issue with the morality of prostitution, but have deep feelings about the safety of it, the previous poster's point is not ridiculous. He/she asked what other dangerous activities you were also against.

If morality is not the issue, but safety is, what else do you think is unsafe for people to do where you think others should step in and stop the action?

You say, "The women who work for a Call Girl Service are much more protected (but still in danger..." I hate to say this to you, but you admit to not having any experience on either side of prostitution (except vicariously through your niece's struggles). So, how can you definitively say anything about what is safer vs. what is not as safe? Again, you obviously DO have a moral problem with prostitution, or else you wouldn't have such a strong opinion about it as opposed to other dangerous activities such as the ones the previous poster mentioned. I'm not trying to offend you or be nasty, I'm simply playing Devil's Advocate and trying to clarify that you're not really being consistent with your opinions. Don't pretend you're unbiased and non-judging when you obviously are. Otherwise, you wouldn't have assumed those girls who appeared on the show were too lazy to work real jobs.

ON ANOTHER NOTE: the idea of boycotting Craig's List because of their erotic section is ludicrous because of the following reasons:

- getting rid of the erotic section would not stop online prostitution from happening... the posts would only move to other sections of the website where they admittedly do not belong, and they would directly interrupt "normal" ads. There are people on CL trying to legitimately date or have NSA hook-ups where no money is intended to be exchanged, and these are the sections where the prostitution ads would pop up once again... this is apparently why CL created the erotic section in the first place, to get those ads out of the other sections where they did not belong

- as many people don't want to admit, prostitution is not illegal in several cities and counties around the US. Although I am not condoning the use of CL for a prostitution medium, the act itself is as old as time and is CONDONED by certain areas of our country.

- even if CL were to somehow remove and prevent all erotic ads (which offered sex in exchange for money), which is really not feasible, the pimps and prostitutes will simply go to other sites. They already DO use other sites for this stuff, such as suggardaddy.com, LAweekly.com, and even myspace and facebook are used for this type of stuff. Wake up, people! This is not a CL issue! It is not exclusive to CL, and just because they created an erotic section for such ads does not mean it only happens on that website and nowhere else!
 
April 3, 2009, 1:19 pm CDT

03/30 The Dark Side of the Internet

Quote From: kaysquare

Thanks Dr. Phil for having a whole week of shows without Nadya!  I will look forward to my daily cup of green tea & watching the Dr. Phil Show without wanting to throw the cup at the TV screen. 
Not sure Dr Phil could make it a whole week without another "Nadya" show, but he did! Next week's shows are "Nadya" free, too, but they're all reruns!
 
April 3, 2009, 1:22 pm CDT

03/30 The Dark Side of the Internet

Quote From: jewelsf

Dear Mary,

  Thank you for taking the time to read what I had written to you. As to the situation where I called the wife, her husband was consistently picking up regular street hookers who were in fact infected with the HIV virus, they had all been tested. I know that you are not the typical street walker so please don't EVER think that I have put you into that category, I haven't by any means! Something else that has bothered me for years? While my husband and I were in Bakersfield, CA for his job, we were driving down the street where the hookers hang to pick up their 'Johns' and I saw a woman selling herself while she must have been at least 8 months pregnant. I will never get this image out of my mind. So incredibly sad.

  That you so much for your understand and support for my niece who is going through this. I would at least feel better if she were in the 'Call girl Industry than what she has ended up doing, although none of it is what I want for her. I wish my family was strong enough for an Intervention, but I have several family members who have the way of thinking "She has to hit bottom before she will be willing to help herself". I don't agree with that at all! I believe loved ones should intervene as soon as possible and try to prevent someone from having to hit 'rock bottom'. That's an butt backwards way of thinking in my mind. I watch the show Intervention and the counselors believe the same as I do.

  Thank you so very much for caring about the life of my niece. It's the drugs that have pushed her to these limits. Just recently she had her foot nail gunned into the floor by a man, I have no idea why. No idea hat had happened. The danger is obviously escalating and I fear for her life. I'm tearing up as I write this. Her and I had always been very close but after so many years of using meth she's no longer the same person.

  She's currently in a halfway house after spending 30 days in a rehab program. Here's the kicker! Her own mother and other members of my family are already planning for her fall once she leaves the 'Bible Thumpers' and is back on her own again. Maybe if she could receive some positive thoughts and support she would have a better chance of NOT going back to the drug, but personally I don't think it looks good with all of the negative karma coming from so many people. I refuse to become negative until she does make a mistake, I think she should be given a chance to prove herself before any more judgments and expectations are made of her at this time.

  Yes, please keep me informed of how the interviews go! I'll give you my email address at the bottom of this post. You are obviously a smart, intelligent and beautiful (inside and out) woman who does have so much more to offer. I believe that you will find your 'right' path in life, and soon. It's obvious that you are not happy in what you've been doing in the past.

  I've got a lot to do right now but I was wanting to touch base with you as soon as I could. I hope your interviews go exceptionally well and I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Please write to me through my email so we can get to know each other in private. Have a beautiful day!

 

Big Huhs to you,

Jewels

 

  topfuelfan@hotmail.com

 

 

 

You like jet-cars?
 
April 6, 2009, 7:31 pm CDT

Morality is Bad?

Quote From: tetra384

If you claim to have no issue with the morality of prostitution, but have deep feelings about the safety of it, the previous poster's point is not ridiculous. He/she asked what other dangerous activities you were also against.

If morality is not the issue, but safety is, what else do you think is unsafe for people to do where you think others should step in and stop the action?

You say, "The women who work for a Call Girl Service are much more protected (but still in danger..." I hate to say this to you, but you admit to not having any experience on either side of prostitution (except vicariously through your niece's struggles). So, how can you definitively say anything about what is safer vs. what is not as safe? Again, you obviously DO have a moral problem with prostitution, or else you wouldn't have such a strong opinion about it as opposed to other dangerous activities such as the ones the previous poster mentioned. I'm not trying to offend you or be nasty, I'm simply playing Devil's Advocate and trying to clarify that you're not really being consistent with your opinions. Don't pretend you're unbiased and non-judging when you obviously are. Otherwise, you wouldn't have assumed those girls who appeared on the show were too lazy to work real jobs.

ON ANOTHER NOTE: the idea of boycotting Craig's List because of their erotic section is ludicrous because of the following reasons:

- getting rid of the erotic section would not stop online prostitution from happening... the posts would only move to other sections of the website where they admittedly do not belong, and they would directly interrupt "normal" ads. There are people on CL trying to legitimately date or have NSA hook-ups where no money is intended to be exchanged, and these are the sections where the prostitution ads would pop up once again... this is apparently why CL created the erotic section in the first place, to get those ads out of the other sections where they did not belong

- as many people don't want to admit, prostitution is not illegal in several cities and counties around the US. Although I am not condoning the use of CL for a prostitution medium, the act itself is as old as time and is CONDONED by certain areas of our country.

- even if CL were to somehow remove and prevent all erotic ads (which offered sex in exchange for money), which is really not feasible, the pimps and prostitutes will simply go to other sites. They already DO use other sites for this stuff, such as suggardaddy.com, LAweekly.com, and even myspace and facebook are used for this type of stuff. Wake up, people! This is not a CL issue! It is not exclusive to CL, and just because they created an erotic section for such ads does not mean it only happens on that website and nowhere else!
Of course people are against prostitution because of morals.  Does having morals mean that a person is biased?  I guess I am biased too.
 
April 8, 2009, 9:46 pm CDT

What I have seen...........

Quote From: tetra384

If you claim to have no issue with the morality of prostitution, but have deep feelings about the safety of it, the previous poster's point is not ridiculous. He/she asked what other dangerous activities you were also against.

If morality is not the issue, but safety is, what else do you think is unsafe for people to do where you think others should step in and stop the action?

You say, "The women who work for a Call Girl Service are much more protected (but still in danger..." I hate to say this to you, but you admit to not having any experience on either side of prostitution (except vicariously through your niece's struggles). So, how can you definitively say anything about what is safer vs. what is not as safe? Again, you obviously DO have a moral problem with prostitution, or else you wouldn't have such a strong opinion about it as opposed to other dangerous activities such as the ones the previous poster mentioned. I'm not trying to offend you or be nasty, I'm simply playing Devil's Advocate and trying to clarify that you're not really being consistent with your opinions. Don't pretend you're unbiased and non-judging when you obviously are. Otherwise, you wouldn't have assumed those girls who appeared on the show were too lazy to work real jobs.

ON ANOTHER NOTE: the idea of boycotting Craig's List because of their erotic section is ludicrous because of the following reasons:

- getting rid of the erotic section would not stop online prostitution from happening... the posts would only move to other sections of the website where they admittedly do not belong, and they would directly interrupt "normal" ads. There are people on CL trying to legitimately date or have NSA hook-ups where no money is intended to be exchanged, and these are the sections where the prostitution ads would pop up once again... this is apparently why CL created the erotic section in the first place, to get those ads out of the other sections where they did not belong

- as many people don't want to admit, prostitution is not illegal in several cities and counties around the US. Although I am not condoning the use of CL for a prostitution medium, the act itself is as old as time and is CONDONED by certain areas of our country.

- even if CL were to somehow remove and prevent all erotic ads (which offered sex in exchange for money), which is really not feasible, the pimps and prostitutes will simply go to other sites. They already DO use other sites for this stuff, such as suggardaddy.com, LAweekly.com, and even myspace and facebook are used for this type of stuff. Wake up, people! This is not a CL issue! It is not exclusive to CL, and just because they created an erotic section for such ads does not mean it only happens on that website and nowhere else!

  Yes, I assume I do have issues with 'illegal' prostitution. In states where it is legalized, there are at least safety measures in place for all involved, no disease, no beatings, no murder, etc.. If you have an issue with my having morals, than so be it. I'm certainly NOT ashamed to have morals, too few people have them nowadays.

  Some years back my husband and I were driving down the main 'old' drag in Bakersfield, CA. and there are plenty of $10. hookers on that boulevard. I was appalled when I saw a young woman selling herself to any man with the money while she was at least, at least, 8 months pregnant. I'm not supposed to have a moral problem with that?

  When are our morals supposed to kick in? Is the new way of life just to go by "live and let live" no matter what the situation? As to the women on the show, I have repeatedly stated that I did NOT watch the show so I cannot make any comments on the women who where on the program. Again, maybe you should read my post's thoroughly before you make such assumptions. But since you bring it up, yes I do think that all women should look for a 'real' job rather than sell their bodies to the disgusting men who are willing to pay for their services. I do applaud and support any woman who has the strength and tenacity to get out of this profession.  

 
April 8, 2009, 9:50 pm CDT

You have common sense!

Quote From: fromthesquare

Of course people are against prostitution because of morals.  Does having morals mean that a person is biased?  I guess I am biased too.
  Thank you for being another soul on this earth who still has morals also. It's also a great deal of common sense. Yes, this is the worlds oldest profession and will never be eradicated but it doesn't mean that it is the right thing for young women to do to make a living. The rest of us have worked hard (in an honest & legal profession) to earn our money, so why can't they?
 
April 9, 2009, 8:27 pm CDT

TODAY I WAS IN TEARS ~ WHEN WILL YOU GET IT?

Quote From: luvrules

to their "Erotic Services" section. IF the link was not provided by Craiglist many illicit illegal activiites would be halted. Craiglist is making it too easy for this kind of access, and they exclusively control their site homepages, and the code that allows these links. In effect, they are not only condoning this, they are providing a venue for this, and that in itself is illegal. Prostitution is a crime against humanity. And it is a worldwide problem.

 

The First Amendment does not protect obscenity.

Paraphrasing From Dr. Gail Dines Women's Studies at Wheelock U: 'What does democracy look like when a handful of corporations control the cultural discourse? What does it mean to talk about Free Speech in a society where 30 seconds of speech costs $330, 000 in prime time? Free Speech is now the most expensive commodity in our media driven, corporate society. In a media culture (Howard Stern driven) the only way to be heard is through access to this media â¦We are only as good as our culture. The pornographers have hijacked this culture, and they did it without a battle. But there comes a time when we must ask: At what point can society no longer tolerate this? We cannot hand this culture over anymore. We all deserve better than a porn-culture. It's time we really fight back. And its time that we no longer get sold on this shallow argument that we are against free speech, when we are take a stand against pornography and sexualized violence against women and children and ultimately men too.' - Women's Studies Professor, Gail Dines PhD

 

General Anti-sex industry Resources:

http://www.no-porn.com/

http://www.porn-free.org/

 

http://www.oneangrygirl.net

TAKE THE NO PORN PLEDGE. I think there is a way to stop the train wreck, but its going to take changes and discipline and higher level of conscious understanding and sensitivity from our food to our water to our sexuality.

 

Do not date or befriend those who use pornography or prostitutes.

EDUCATE YOURSELF & PASS IT ON - STOP PORN CULTURE ACTIVISM

http://www.stoppornculture.org/home.html - Pass this link & Info on!!!

 

Hardcore History Lessons:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5003155114018800220&q=gail+dines

 

LISTEN TO THIS>>> JUST CLICK THE LINK AND LISTEN AND LEARN....

A Man Speaks Against Pornography
http://www.southendpress.org/2007/items/87767

Listen here to to Robert Jensen's discussion of the reach and impact of pornography in US society...Paraphrasing from Robert Jensen:

"Porn is used to get men in the mood to kill - military Connection."

"Pornography and the death of empathy : men are being trained to ignore the experiences and feelings of women. Women in pornography are systematically subjected to cruelty and humiliation. This is a death of empathy. This plays out in public contexts all the time. Its a serious problem in this culture. In a predatory corporate capitalist system, we have to constantly struggle to reconnect as human beings."

 

It's just hard to believe that in the time of HIV/AIDS people are callous about having random sex and using sex industry services.

The CDC has reported the every 10 persons in Washington DC is now HIV positive. The CDC is also reporting that 1 in 5 adults have an STD and 99% of us has some strains of HPV, now the main cause of cervical cancer and potentially other cancers such as testicular cancer in men.

 

CONDOMS DO NOT STOP HPV. Having more sex partners increases exposure to more strains, which overwhelms the immune. CONDOMS DO NOT STOP IT. You are exposed to each person a partner had, which makes having a sexual past history important. HPV has recently been related in research to cancers in both men and women.


"Doing Dirt to women and children in porn is no way to prove your manhood." - Founder of Men Against Pornography

Avoid intimacy with those who are casual, who pay for sex industry services, or who lie. Wherever women/children are for sale and men are desensitized, life is cheap. If they do it to others, they'll do it to you. Take the NO PORN PLEDGE, OneAngryGirl Net.

"Bring me a HIGHER LOVE." Steve Winwood ONE ANGRY GIRL supporter, AntiPornBlog supporter

Please visit:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Angewings4all

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/AntiPornographyBlog

 

 

CALLING FOR A GIRLCOTT & BOYCOTT ON CRAIGLIST!

Men who pay desperate or drug addicted girls for sex online, are sick and predatory.

 

I shared the video you posted with 3 women friends...

 

Today I got back the 3rd reply... A detailed account of the brutal rape that happened in 2001 to my sweet friend... with her 4 year old daughter sleeping in the room next to the bathroom... where she was slammed to the floor and terrorized for almost an hour... She said she was calling the police... he laughed as he was a detective with the police... and we all know they protect their own... Her email was long and detailed... ending with "I hope my story made sense I started typing like a 'crazy woman' when I started to remember - I can still smell the alcohol on his breath and oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo - NO MORE!"

 

The 2nd woman friend shared with me the abuse she had as a child... just A Little Girl!!!

 

EVERYONE SHOULD PASS THIS VIDEO ALONG... IT IS THE REAL TRUTH!!!

Hardcore History Lessons:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5003155114018800220&q=gail+dines

 

Until YOU stop feeding this sickness... ALL WOMEN ON THE PLANET WILL CONTINUE TO BE ABUSED...

 

 
April 10, 2009, 3:48 pm CDT

03/30 The Dark Side of the Internet

Quote From: ramair

You like jet-cars?
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