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Created on : Friday, August 19, 2005, 03:21:03 pm
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(Original airdate 05/19/05) Steve and Sheila are high school sweethearts whose marriage seem normal from the outside. But shocking home video shows Steve, an alcoholic, passed out on the floor on the verge of death, while Sheila violently slaps, punches, kicks and stomps on him — in front of their two little girls. Find out what Dr. Phil thinks has to happen if they want to keep their children and turn their out-of-control lives around.  Has alcohol affected someone you know? Join the discussion.


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August 26, 2005, 11:26 pm PDT

08/25 Alcohol and Abuse

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It suprises me with some of the responses I have read.  I didn't see the entire show, but wished I had.  I am one of the children, I experienced both parents which were (and still are) alcoholics.  I viewed abuse to my mother and my sibblings.  I somehow escaped the wrath of my father.  Today, I have a brother who drank himself to death at the age of 35.  He used the excuse of my sister's murder as a reason to drink more.  He would have drank even if she wasn't killed.  Now, after my father was diagnosed w/ cancer enduring chemo and radiation, he uses the death of both my brother and sister and the cancer treatment  (all within two yrs.) to drink himself into oblivion.  My mother, drinks because of the death of my sibblings and because she has to continually deal with my father's drinking.  The true victims are the children.  They really need to be in a safe place until these people get help.  I am an optimist, I believe they can get help,  if THEY want it.  I have learned there are no words or actions that can make an alcoholic get the help they need if they don't want it.  Guilt doesn't even work.  I pray God would have mercy on these two children, becuse this can be an ugly, ugly cycle.
Thank you very much for sharing your story. It seems from your letter that while your family coped with tragedy by drinking, you coped by seeking answers as to why. I'm glad to see you are an optimist. I think that attitude has gotten you far!  God bless you!
 

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August 26, 2005, 11:33 pm PDT

08/25 Alcohol and Abuse

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Sheila will probably end up in jail if she does not get professional help. One lucky blow to her husband and it will be over with for both of them. The children will suffer the most and that is unfortunate.
Shelia should have been in jail after the beating with the vodka bottle! I guess the state they live in doesn't have very strict Domestic Abuse laws. In Oklahoma the victim doesn't have the ability to decline to file charges. A police officer will charge the abuser when evidence of abuse is obvious (like bruises, scratches, etc). When Steve said he told the hospital staff "she beat the &*%^ outta me" and those pictures were taken...where was the police? I know I don't have all the facts here, and I'm not blaming the police or hospital. I just have questions about this. Also, how about when he was taken in on the alcohol poisoning. he had to have hella bruises from her jumping on him like that!
 
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August 27, 2005, 9:43 am PDT

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YOU ARE A NURSE ?I REALLY DON'T SEE THOSE KIDS GETTING BACK TO "NORMALITY"ANY TIME SOON.WITH ALL THAT WENT ON IN THAT HOUSE !HOW CAN ANYONE BE COMFORTABLE WITH ABUSE?I AM CONFUSED YOU SAY "I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GRADUATE"FROM WHAT?IF SCHOOL YOU ARE A NURSE HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?IF I AM MISTAKEN I DO APPOLOGIZE FOR THAT.I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST IN YOUR FUTURE.
 I meant that I will never be able to graduate from Al-Anon.  And you need to know that there is help out there for this family, if they will be honest and get it.  I have seen miracles happen in families that were in very dire straits.  He needs to get honest and give treatment and a program for his drinking and she needs to get honest and deal with why she continues this behavior.
 
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August 27, 2005, 9:48 am PDT

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I think several of the postings on this topic are far too judgemental.  It seems to me that a lot of you who posted comments do not understand the dynamics of an alcoholic family.  The statements seem to be more about how best to punish Sheila or Steve.  I think they have been punishing themselves and their children for 13 years.  This family needs help to heal.  Sheila needs therapy to deal with her past and her anger and Steve needs serious rehabilitation.  Dr Phil is correct that right now neither of them need to be around the children.   

  

I speak from experience.  My father was an alcoholic and my mother abused him.  The video shown could have been filmed in my home 30 years ago.  It took me a long time to come to terms with what I saw as a child.  I know after years of therapy and study that my fathers disease is not my fault.  I also know now that my mother grew up in the same environment as I did.  She was doing what she knew, that may not make sense to someone who has never been in that situation.  I don't condone the way my mother behaved or the way Sheila behaves, but I have tried to understand the rage that leads someone to that place.  I was only through trying to understand my mothers behavior that I came to forgive her and my father and I began to heal.     

  

It's easy to pass judgement on Sheila for the choices she has made, it's easy to suggest she could walk away from this.  However, It's not that simple.  When my father was sober he was a wonderful father and husband.  There were glimpses of what a family should be when he was sober.  When he drank, he changed and so did my mother.  She stayed because she was holding on to those moments of sanity when he was sober, she saw what he could be if he stopped drinking.  He was in rehab too many times to count.  Eventually, she did get us both out of the situation.   

  

I am glad this show aired, I hope it will lead to other families like this to seek help and move past the shame.  30 years ago you didn't talk about what went on behind closed doors, now there is help which is what this family needs.  Help and support, not judgement and critisism from people who do not understand how alcohol can effect a family. 

 Thank you for sharing your story.   I feel the same way, it is very easy to pass judgement when you aren't in the situation.   My husband is a binge drinker, so our family too has many times when he is sober and a great guy to be around.  We have had many wonderful holidays, vacations, etc. 

Condemning and belittling the alcoholic and the co-dependent only add to the guilt and shame they are already feeling.  I pray that they get the help they need to heal their family
 
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August 27, 2005, 12:15 pm PDT

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 I meant that I will never be able to graduate from Al-Anon.  And you need to know that there is help out there for this family, if they will be honest and get it.  I have seen miracles happen in families that were in very dire straits.  He needs to get honest and give treatment and a program for his drinking and she needs to get honest and deal with why she continues this behavior.
Thank-you for clearing that up.You are right they both need to get real and own what damage they caused.thanks again.
 
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August 27, 2005, 2:46 pm PDT

Has anyone lived with an alcoholic?

I have read SOME of the messages, I don't blame the woman for being upset dealing with a raging alcoholic. But... not to that extent! I am living with an alcoholic who - luckily is not as bad as Steve, although that doesn't really matter - I have felt the same way as Sheila, I would have liked to hit him at some point. But I know that wouldn't help. I know people would think that I am terrible but it is not easy dealing with that, even though alcoholism is a "disease" it still isn't easy. I know people think that Sheila is lieing about not remembering beating Steve but look what her father did to her, it has to have some psychological affect on her. I don't know what I would do in her shoes but did anyone see that the husband looked like he was trying to hurt her when she kicked him? Not that she should have beat him, especially when he was on the floor after drinking sooooo much, I didn't agree with that, at all!! I go to Al-anon and it has been tough to think of alcoholism as a disease; but if someone has cancer or diabetes and doesn't get help, and we live with them; it has an affect on us too. I do feel bad for the kids and agree that they would be better off out of the home, I am so glad that Dr. Phil told them to separate, and you saw how she was upset - she suffers from the affects of alcoholism too - being married to him, it's not easy! I just wanted to tell my feelings too.        
 
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August 27, 2005, 6:30 pm PDT

it is sick,

I was completely sickened by what I saw in the show.  I think that woman is a monster.  You don't abuse anybody in the way she does it to ther husband.  I am sorry but I was surprise that Dr. Phil was not harsh at all to her.  I don't think she realized how bad her bahavior is; it does not mattr that he is an alcoholic, that is not a reason to abuse anyone.  I would not treat not even my worst enemy, if I had it, in the way she treats her husband.  She should be trying to help him or leave him.  I was never as disgusted as I was that day.  For me, that is compared to child abuse.  She did it just when she knew that he could not defend himself. 

  

Does anyone aagree with me, 

  

 
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August 28, 2005, 8:12 am PDT

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I have read SOME of the messages, I don't blame the woman for being upset dealing with a raging alcoholic. But... not to that extent! I am living with an alcoholic who - luckily is not as bad as Steve, although that doesn't really matter - I have felt the same way as Sheila, I would have liked to hit him at some point. But I know that wouldn't help. I know people would think that I am terrible but it is not easy dealing with that, even though alcoholism is a "disease" it still isn't easy. I know people think that Sheila is lieing about not remembering beating Steve but look what her father did to her, it has to have some psychological affect on her. I don't know what I would do in her shoes but did anyone see that the husband looked like he was trying to hurt her when she kicked him? Not that she should have beat him, especially when he was on the floor after drinking sooooo much, I didn't agree with that, at all!! I go to Al-anon and it has been tough to think of alcoholism as a disease; but if someone has cancer or diabetes and doesn't get help, and we live with them; it has an affect on us too. I do feel bad for the kids and agree that they would be better off out of the home, I am so glad that Dr. Phil told them to separate, and you saw how she was upset - she suffers from the affects of alcoholism too - being married to him, it's not easy! I just wanted to tell my feelings too.        
Hi there hope i got your name right?As for dealing with an alcoholic yes it must be hard.But!Sheila married him and i'm sure Steve probably had this problem before they married.If not welll Sheila would be enough to send anyone over the edge.Hell i'd drink to just not to feel the physical pain she puts that man through.What about the kids ?its the kids that suffer from this.I could care less about them to jackasses.Sheila is a nurse well where is her compasssion? did she skip that class or what?How she ever got to be a nurse is what bugs me.You almost have to jump through hoops here in order to even be accepted into nursing and you do go through a pyhclogical evaluation also,so how did the mental board miss her?If she was abused so bad how did the state board miss that?Are they that stupid?It appears so.As for her being abused don't you think she would want to get help before she brought thoses kids into this world?She apparently didn't see the kids  watching her beat their father but at the same time turns around and says the house is to small to avoid him .well duh!go for a walk for heaven sakes.Or go for a ride or something but she couldn't do that because she has an anger issue and i believe she needs pyhiatric help for both anger&abuse if she was indeed abused.She thought for sure Dr.Phil was going to be in her corner but was she wrong she should be in a corner in a cell ! She would have ended up there if she would have kept beating him.The reason i use past tense is supposely her &Steve have parted and the kids are with her.Well pity help those kids if they get on her bad side with no Steve there to beat on who is next ?the kids.One of the neibours i believe have come to Sheila's defense and said Sheila loves those kids and would neever abuse them, well duh!she was abusing them not pyhsically but mentally.They both need some seriuos help.And hopefully the kids might grow up knowing alcohol and abuse don't mix well.
 
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August 28, 2005, 6:45 pm PDT

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Quote From: ozzylaw

Often less is used to charge someone with Domestic Abuse. Usually it's just the word (and bruises) of one against the other. I would imagine it would be a prosecuter's dream to have everything caught on tape. No question of how the bruises appeared in that video! As for the kids, I agree placement with family is usually better for kids, however it would seem that Shelia has ALOT of abuse on her side, and no mention was made of Steve's family.  In Oklahoma, a child is initially placed in "the shelter" until a hearing determines where they are placed. CPS (or DHS here) has to do home studies of the family members to make sure the kids aren't placed in a worse situation. So sometimes foster care is used short time at least. As for charges against Steve. Unless he is stopped at the time he is driving drunk, nothing can be done about that. He's obviously unfit to care for those kids alone. They'd be taking care of him! I agree both are to blame!

Those poor kids!  Now that their parents have admitted on national TV what they are really like, I don't know if they would be allowed to keep their jobs, let alone their kids.  I would think the police and CPS could show a judge those tapes and have the children taken away to a safe place.  The drunken father driving the kids around is bad, but what worries me is the mother's complete loss of control of her temper. 

  

As the kids get older and have smart-aleck mouths, what will the mother do to them? 

 
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August 30, 2005, 12:13 pm PDT

this show was so upsetting for the viewers

Watching those little girls putting her hands over her ears as her mother beat the heck out of her father at the same time she was yelling was disturbing for all of the viewers.  Seeing them running from their living room & crying & trying to get out of Sheila's way during another beating was too painful to watch too.  I really wish that Dr. Phil would do some kind of follow up show or at least let everyone know if those kids are at least in a place that's safe now.  I believe that everyone who's accused of being "too judgemental" here were all just so frustrated & in the end angry too because we were all unable to reach out and pull those children to safety.  Knowing how much we all wanted to do just that it's infuriating to us all how these girls own mother didn't want to do the same.  I think it would be good for us all toknow they're at last in a safe place.   
 
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