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Topic : 09/12-13 Hurricane Katrina: Rescuing the Rescuers and Rebuilding

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Created on : Friday, September 09, 2005, 03:39:17 pm
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Dr. Phil's coverage in the devastating wake of Hurricane Katrina continues. In Part 1, they’ve helped thousands of hurricane victims make their way to safety, but who is going to help the rescuers? Dr. Phil offers his advice to hurricane relief workers for coping with the horrors they’ve witnessed. Then in Part 2, see heartwarming reunions, and hear stories of tragedy and triumph as the city begins the slow process of rebuilding and recovery. Join the discussion.

 

  

Part 1 - Rescuing the Rescuers. 

Part 2 - Rebuilding Lives.

 

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September 13, 2005, 8:59 pm PDT

it's not jealousy

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[quoteat least I can stand up and speak up when I see something that is B.S.[unquote 

  

me too and I see a lot of it in your post...also resembles jealousy. 

I'm with you.....it's a bunch a bs....
 
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September 13, 2005, 10:40 pm PDT

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[quoteat least I can stand up and speak up when I see something that is B.S.[unquote

me too and I see a lot of it in your post...also resembles jealousy.

The tragedy of Hurricane Katrina is bringing people together to help each other and care.  I firmly believe Dr. Phil and many other well known people are doing what they can to help the people there.  It doesn't matter how much these people had or don't have.  They are in need and you help.  We were all very excited about the season opener for our Dr.Phil show and many others as well.  Hurricane Katrina gave Dr.Phil and many others the opportunity to help many people in many different ways.  I applaud Dr.Phil and all the others who took action and offered whatever help they could give.  Not doing so would have gone against everything he tries to help people with daily. 

  

I see a lot of prejudice and jealousy in your post, not to mention anger.  I pray that God will soften your heart to the needs of all people not just those you feel and decide are deserving.  It could be you some day and I'm certain you would want people to have compassion and empathy for you. 

  

  

 
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September 13, 2005, 11:39 pm PDT

NAIVE!

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 Thank God for a President, and Dr. Phil, and others who not only believe in prayer, but WILL PRAY in public, and PRAY to the name of God, instead of just standing in a moment of SILENCE. I do not believe that silence is the same thing as prayer - I think that Christians have every right to pray, anytime and anywhere, and for the minority that is against EVERYONE praying, well, let THEM stand in a moment of SILENCE, instead of a moment of prayer, and they had better be hoping (in silence) that all those who are one day allowed to pray again, had better be praying for those who do not believe in it!!!
There is RIGHT and wrong, and that is what we all need to go by, and not by WHO is right, and who is wrong. I do not believe that anyone has the right, to take away prayer from all of those who believe in its power, and I pray that the power of those who are still praying, hopefully more now than every, can change our world - into a better world, instead of one that is headed in the direction of hatred, evil, and so much wrongdoing. AMEN!!!

Its very hard for me to listen to hogwash like this and not get upset. How naive and ignorant and misguided so many people are. THERE IS NOT SUCH A THING AS "GOD"! "God" does not exist. You people sit here and talk about the power of prayer and talk about praying to your almighty God for strength and courage...the same God that was so gracious that he thought it was imperative to send or allow Hurricane Katrina to hit New Orleans and leave over a million homeless indefinitely and thousands dead. GET REAL! I'm going to pray to God for allowing me to survive Katrina even though he allowed it to happen. Does that really make sense??? When will you all wake up and realize there is no "GOD". God is just a fabrication passed out through the centuries to maintain some sense of order. People need to feel they are living life for a purpose...not just some senseless, wretched existence that culminates in grim, everlasting death. No "Merciful God" of any type could sit back and watch let alone allow something like Hurricane Katrina to happen. As much as you all go to church and try to justify and rationalize this horrible disaster, you all dont want to conform to the fact that "God" isnt an entity. I just dont see how something so obvious is yet so vague to most people. "God"...umph! I have woken up and smelled the scent of reality, when will the rest of you? That doesnt mean that I worship the devil (who doesnt exist either) or am a bad person, I'm just enlightened. 

 
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September 14, 2005, 1:14 am PDT

HELP FOR NOPD

Hi all.  I have found a group of officers who are ttraveling the distance from the Dallas area to hand deliver supplies to the officers of the NOPD.  These guys are FANTASTIC!  They have set up a website www.policehelpingpolice.org .  I have spoken with one of the officers over the phone and they plan on making many trips over thenext few months to bring aid to their fellow officers who are in need.  This is where  my support will be going.  I just wanted to share this info with everyone and help to get the word out.  Thanks so much and God Bless. 

 
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September 14, 2005, 3:26 am PDT

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I'm appalled at the willingness of celebrities like Dr. Phil and other hard working individuals to give so much to people who have done little to help themselves their entire life.  I understand the sympathy and the compassion for one who has experienced a trauma like a hurricane and losing your home.  But lets be realistic here.... I would gladly donate money to a hard working family who has been displaced, or to a law enforcement or emergency services professional who has lost their home while working round the clock to help save others.  But give money, homes, cars, and gifts to people who have done nothing to better themselves or society?  People who have lived off of the welfare system and perpetuated their families poverty and inability to take care of themselves?  NEVER.  My tax dollars have already payed for these people over and over again.  It's called the welfare system.  Everyone in America has the opportunity to better themselves through education, and personal choice.  It is no coincidence that the majority of people in New Orleans that had to be "rescued" are  impoverished and wards of the welfare state.  Those people have needed "rescuing" their entire lives it seems.  When they were asked to leave - why not go?  They were told it was a mandatory evacution!  Of course - it was the governments job (local or state)  to find them transportation.  Well, I've had my driver's license since I was 16 - and bought my first car when I was 17.  Not from government funds - but from my paycheck from Carl's Jr.!  The people who have this sense of entitlement need to take a good long look in the mirror.  If you can't take care of yourself and your family without the help of the governments money or assistance - then stop having kids and try and educate yourself enough to get a job that will pay for whatever lifestyle you desire.  It's disgusting every time I hear one of the victims of the hurricane complaining about "what the government hasn't done for them."  I ask - what have they done to help themselves?  I actually have friends that went the first week to volunteer at the shelters there at ground zero.  And the treatment they received by some was deplorable.  People complaining that all they were being fed was sandwiches, and ordering around the volunteers like they were waiters and servants.   I know that not all of the victims have such low ethics and personal values as the ones I've described, and many of them are hard working, tax paying Americans who deserve all the help they can get.  But why not focus our efforts and "rescue stories" on people who have contributed SOMETHING to society in general.  Instead, the media wants to focus on these "hard luck" stories about single moms with many kids and no where to go.....I'd love to see a follow up report in 6 months on the family who got the house and $20,000.00.  Sad to say - 6 months from now they will have squandered that money, probably still be on the welfare stystem, and teaching their kids (and their kids kids)  that's it's ok to take the governments "free money."  When in reality, there is a high price to pay for those handouts.  And that cost is the absence of moral obligation and the loss of ones self-respect. 

 

Blah blah blah money money money...$$$...  ...I'm appalled at people's inability to feel joy when something good happens to someone else. 
 
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September 14, 2005, 11:02 am PDT

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I work in a Federal Agency in Topeka Kansas and we have helped several families from Katrina. The one thing I noticed in all is a glazing in their eyes and they have all made the same remark. " I have no concept of time or days, since Katrinia hit." I feel they are still in shock, and even though they are with families and friends they feel so alone.  I am so proud of our nation!!! We have all banded together to help our own.  Dr. Phil I truly feel that you are assisting the survivors and not grandstanding for ratings, please continue to help the displaced.  My last thought is how can we allow mothers to be still seperated from their children??? This is the disgrace of our leadership, our government.  

 
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September 14, 2005, 11:03 am PDT

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 HI I DON'T WANT TO SOUND MEAN OR ANYTHING BUT I AM A FIREFIGHTER / PARAMEDIC AND LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT MY JOB,E ESPECIALLY HELPING OTHER PEOPLE BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT AFTER SEEING ALL OF THIS AWFUL SITUATION IT REALLY MAKES ME THINK. I AM BY NO MEANS ONE TO TALK ABOUT THE LESS FORTUNATE PEOPLE AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS IN ALL OF THEM BUT REALITY IS ,THIS IS A WELFARE CITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T LEAVE ARE MOSTLY WELFARE RECIPIENTS THEY ARE USED TO THE GOVERNMENT DOING EVERYTHING FOR THEM, THEY ARE NOW BLAMING THE GOVERNMENT FOR NOT HELPING THEM SOON ENOUGH. I FIGURE THE POOR BUSINESS OWNERS WHO STAYED TO TRY TO KEEP THERE LIVELY HOOD HAD EVERY REASON TO TRY TO STICK THIS STORM OUT, BUT THE OTHERS SIT AROUND AND WAIT FOR OTHERS TO DO FOR THEM, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A COUNTRY OF SELF MOTIVATED PEOPLE AND WE HAVE LET SO MANY DEPEND ON OTHERS AND THEN PUT THE BLAME ON THE GOVERNMENT GET OUT AND DO SOMETHING FOR YOUR SELF FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE. WE WILL ALL COME TO THERE NEEDS NOW BUT I SURE HOPE THEY TAKE SOMETHING AWAY FROM THIS WE ALL LOVE TO HELP OTHERS IT MAKES US FEEL GOOD BUT SOMETIMES I THINK WE CREATE OUR OWN MESS . BY THE WAY I HAVE DONATED TIME AND MONEY FOR THEM AND HELPED IN OUR OWN TOWN I STILL LOVE THESE PEOPLE THEY ARE AMERICANS AND JUST WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM SELVES EVEN IF WE HAVE TO HELP LITTLE. PS GOD BLESS ALL OF THE EMERGENCY WORKER THERE AND THEIR FAMILY'S I LOVE YOU ALL.
Thank you for finally saying it, bozz. I feel great empathy for the people who have lost everything, too. But there's a big difference between a home OWNER or business owner (someone who was gainfully employed and contributing on a daily basis to the prosperity of this great country and now has nothing to go back to) and a person who was living on welfare and either renting a house or apartment or living in state-subsidized housing. Those people may have lost possessions, but they haven't lost the homes they worked so hard to afford or their careers and they can start all over anywhere in the country and be in the same position they were in before. I think we all need a little perspective here. I just find it interesting that most hard-working Americans are frustrated by the welfare system, frustrated that there are others among us who don't work and expect to live off the rest of us who do. And yet, it's these same people who now need our assistance again and those same hard-working Americans throwing money at them hand and fist. Perspective people!
 
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September 14, 2005, 11:18 am PDT

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I may get kicked off of this board since everyone here seems so good and full of love and giveness. I cannot help seeing things for the the way that THEY ARE. I see people who didn't have anything to begin with ( due to irresponsibility, lifestyle, culture, ect.) now getting everything handed to them on a silver platter. New homes, new cars, and everything else that they could ask for. All above and beyond their basic needs. I see people who could and should have gotten out of there when they were told to. Being poor doesn't matter. They could have gotten enough away if THEY HAD REALLY WANTED TO. They were warned. I understand about the elderly and invalid. The mayor should have gotten the city busses to start moving them out, but he didn't. He let his own people down. I sat here and watched the people act like disgusting animals. Never, in the history of disasters, did we have to bring in ARMED guards to control people who were looting, shooting, robbing and raping. (Babies too!) I know that I, as a responsible person in the world, have insurance on the things that I care about. I pay for that every month. Why have it if I am rewarded for irresponsibility if I lose my things? Why prey on the taxpayers? If you say, "Well, they were too poor to have insurance." then, they do not deserve to have things above and beyond their basic needs given back to them. Giving houses, cars, and money is total bull just because they were victims of a storm that they knew was coming.  What he is doing has not made me bristle with love. I see that there are tons of people out there who work hard for a living and can NEVER pay their homes off. It at least takes 30 years. Because they didn't have a disaster, it means they have to do it themselves. What I see is that they take people who had nothing to begin with because of they way that they chose to live, and then they are handed the silver spoon. If they had something to begin with, they should have had insurance like the rest of us have to have. I know if I lost everything, Dr. Phil wouldn't be there to give me a home free and clear. I resent seeing people get something for nothing due to tragedy when they didn't work for it before. Trash me if you want, but at least I can stand up and speak up when I see something that is B.S.
No ass kicking here. I agree wholeheartedly with you, sudonia. This show really frustrated me as well because I saw the first family, who owned homes before the Hurricane and had good jobs, given nothing but advice. They truly have lost everything because they actually owned something worth losing. Correction, they WORKED to own something worth losing. And yet the men sat there saying they were having problems accepting charity because that's not how they're wired. They know they need to work to support their families and the only reason they're not doing it right now is that they're waiting for information about whether or not they should give up on New Orleans and start new lives somewhere else or wait to return to their homes. And then we saw all the welfare citizens on the show. They were given money and houses and certainly didn't seem to have a problem at all accepting charity. Big surprise! It's because they've been living on the government their entire lives. And here we go rewarding them again. Seems to me quite a lot of these people are actually better off now thanks to the hurricane than they were before. Go figure. I know that if the same thing happened to me and my husband, we wouldn't waste any time at all getting jobs and finding a place to live of our own. We wouldn't even stop to consider that maybe someone else would pay our way for a while. We wouldn't wait for FEMA. We'd just start working again and building up our lives again. I wouldn't allow my children to spend even one night in a shelter. That's for sure. But you're right, sudonia. We sure do seem to be rewarding the people who've never done a  thing for themselves. And a few months from now, these same people who are donating money to them now, will go back to complaining about welfare and people living off the state.
 
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September 14, 2005, 11:30 am PDT

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I'm appalled at the willingness of celebrities like Dr. Phil and other hard working individuals to give so much to people who have done little to help themselves their entire life.  I understand the sympathy and the compassion for one who has experienced a trauma like a hurricane and losing your home.  But lets be realistic here.... I would gladly donate money to a hard working family who has been displaced, or to a law enforcement or emergency services professional who has lost their home while working round the clock to help save others.  But give money, homes, cars, and gifts to people who have done nothing to better themselves or society?  People who have lived off of the welfare system and perpetuated their families poverty and inability to take care of themselves?  NEVER.  My tax dollars have already payed for these people over and over again.  It's called the welfare system.  Everyone in America has the opportunity to better themselves through education, and personal choice.  It is no coincidence that the majority of people in New Orleans that had to be "rescued" are  impoverished and wards of the welfare state.  Those people have needed "rescuing" their entire lives it seems.  When they were asked to leave - why not go?  They were told it was a mandatory evacution!  Of course - it was the governments job (local or state)  to find them transportation.  Well, I've had my driver's license since I was 16 - and bought my first car when I was 17.  Not from government funds - but from my paycheck from Carl's Jr.!  The people who have this sense of entitlement need to take a good long look in the mirror.  If you can't take care of yourself and your family without the help of the governments money or assistance - then stop having kids and try and educate yourself enough to get a job that will pay for whatever lifestyle you desire.  It's disgusting every time I hear one of the victims of the hurricane complaining about "what the government hasn't done for them."  I ask - what have they done to help themselves?  I actually have friends that went the first week to volunteer at the shelters there at ground zero.  And the treatment they received by some was deplorable.  People complaining that all they were being fed was sandwiches, and ordering around the volunteers like they were waiters and servants.   I know that not all of the victims have such low ethics and personal values as the ones I've described, and many of them are hard working, tax paying Americans who deserve all the help they can get.  But why not focus our efforts and "rescue stories" on people who have contributed SOMETHING to society in general.  Instead, the media wants to focus on these "hard luck" stories about single moms with many kids and no where to go.....I'd love to see a follow up report in 6 months on the family who got the house and $20,000.00.  Sad to say - 6 months from now they will have squandered that money, probably still be on the welfare stystem, and teaching their kids (and their kids kids)  that's it's ok to take the governments "free money."  When in reality, there is a high price to pay for those handouts.  And that cost is the absence of moral obligation and the loss of ones self-respect. 

 

Thank you for saying it. I agree completely. And the same people who right now are giving money hand over fist to help the welfare citizens misplaced by Katrina (many of them are on this board right now) will, in a few months after all of this has died down, return to complaining about the welfare system and people living off the state, living off the rest of us who actually work for our livings. The truth is that when people give to charity, they do it primarily because it makes them feel good about themselves. It gives them an inflated sense of self-importance. Very few people give because they truly want to help others. They give to makes themselves feel good. So I'm sure we'll both get a lot of backlash from this board. But we know the truth so we'll hang in there.
 
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September 14, 2005, 12:17 pm PDT

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Thank you for saying it. I agree completely. And the same people who right now are giving money hand over fist to help the welfare citizens misplaced by Katrina (many of them are on this board right now) will, in a few months after all of this has died down, return to complaining about the welfare system and people living off the state, living off the rest of us who actually work for our livings. The truth is that when people give to charity, they do it primarily because it makes them feel good about themselves. It gives them an inflated sense of self-importance. Very few people give because they truly want to help others. They give to makes themselves feel good. So I'm sure we'll both get a lot of backlash from this board. But we know the truth so we'll hang in there.

I have worked at the Astrodome in Houston, helping storm survivors since the Thursday before Labor Day.  We have received nothing but overwhelming appreciation and gratitude from the people we have served, and many of our city's guests (that's what we call them, by request of our city's wonderful Mayor), have moved out of the shelters into apartments, started new jobs, and enrolled their children in school.  Many of the folks in our shelters - storm victims - have become volunteers at the shelters, just to find a way to give back some of the help that we've given them.  I'm sure there are some "welfare sucking" people in the thousands of people Houston has welcomed to our city - they exist in every city in our country.  I haven't encountered anyone like this, and everyone has been incredibly patient and accommodating during the process of getting so many people resettled for the time being.   

  

I am very embarrassed and dismayed at the raw bigotry I am seeing on this board.  These people didn't choose for this to happen, nor did they choose to be poor.  Yes, the looting and the chaos at the Superdome was horrible - but how do we know how people in our cities would behave in similar circumstances?  We do not have an "equal opportunity" in this country - in every city, schools in low-income areas are underfunded and provide a much lower level of education, and low-income people do not have access to higher education (even many middle-income families cannot afford university education for their children).  Poor families do not have access to stable living environments, they struggle for food, the list goes on.  Yes, there are people who live off the system, and believe that they're entitled to benefits.  But - it is not fair to paint everyone in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama with the same brush.  The poor people from New Orleans are mostly low-income working people - taxpayers like you and me.  There are plenty of middle and upper income families in these areas who are trying to gain assistance from FEMA and the Red Cross, as well - it's not just the poor who are expecting assistance from the government....which we all pay for with our tax dollars.  I am very sad for the hateful people on this board who think that this horrible disaster is "good" for the people of New Orleans, and who feel that they don't deserve help right now. 

  

And, by the way - I'm a white, educated, professional. 

 
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