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Created on : Friday, September 09, 2005, 03:42:10 pm
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It's a story that captured national attention and struck fear in the hearts of parents everywhere. Eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared during a senior class trip to the island of Aruba. Now, Dr. Phil uncovers information never before revealed.  Tune in for exclusive interviews -- some potentially incriminating -- with witnesses, suspects and their families and friends. Find out what the polygraph says about a crucial witness, and hear Natalee's mom describe how the horror of losing her precious daughter unfolded over one heartbreaking summer. Share your thoughts here.

 

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November 26, 2005, 4:27 am PST

infotainment

I was born and raised in the Netherlands, so i am a Dutch citizen. First let me express my deepest sympathy with the family of the missing Natalee. I believe it must be a real horror to miss your daugther in such a way. 

What i am deeply conserned about is the fact that the media turn this whole case into a tv-show. 

Aruban law works differently than the US law. Of course i would say. And i am happy it works that way. Why does everyone want to impose US law and law enforcement techniques in the case of Natalees disappearance. How would American citizens react if an Aruban girl was missing in the US. Would Aruba and the Dutch governement come to the United States and enforce their laws so the US law enforcement agencys had to stand on the side lines? 

  

Just an example. It took the law enforcement in California 6 months to officially arrest Scott Peterson even though he was a strong suspect, until they found the body of Laci Peterson, they could not arrest him without enough evidence to support it.How many cases are currently open conserning missing girls in the US without convictions or arrests? How long will they remain open and unsolved? 

  

If you take a look at the crime stats you will see that the US is not the best country to live in. 

Murder stats per million citizans: 50.14 South Africa; 5.64 US; 1.42 Netherlands; 0.23 Luxembourg. 

That makes the US crime stats reach the top 6 of the world, and the Dutch to the lowest in the world. How is this possible with the assumed perfect law enforcement system in the US.  

  

It seems that many American citizens haw a false idea about their country and feel superior to other countries. This is the same when it comes to drug abuse. The stats show that drug abuse in the Netherlands is much lower then in the US. (Heroine addicts as a percentage of population: 160 per 100,000 in the Netherlands; 430 per 100,000 in the U.S. (Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport; White House Office of National Drug Control Policy) Still Dr. Phil presents Aruba and the Netherlands as a country of drug-addicts.  

Wake up, have you ever visited the Netherlands?. Visit us and experience otherwise it is a beautiful country.  

  

I deeply regret that there has been much false information in this case. The media coverage was not always (mildly speaking) correct. I believe the media have turned this tragic story into money making infotainment. Hopefully the case of Natalee is solved quickly, so her family can find peace. 

  

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December 19, 2005, 8:20 am PST

Cover up

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I want to  know how any  country  can feel good about covering up a dissapearence of  a vistitor to their counrty? 

I have been watching and listening  to all the information about the disappearance of Natalee. 

Im not a legal person but common sense can tell you that  there is a cover up. 

Like the day they searched the land fill and  all of a sudden there is a fire there ...Whats the matter  ...to close for comfort????? 

Then they don't search the VDS's property with  the  search group that came to help or the FBI. 

And why is JORAN allowed to go to C&C's when he was underage to begin with ? And the casino's .......with Daddy Sloot ...thats  illeagal tooo. 

It is so obvisous that this is  a cover up and its sad to say but I do believe that the  Us citizens should  boycott Aruba til something is done.!!! 

There are many other places to go for lovley vacations  we don't  need to drop $4,000 a vacation in  a counrty that  won't accept responsibilty for thier own criminals....   

Well, I think that there are also dutch people have dissapeared in the USA... 

  

WAIT: have you been covering it up. I think so. In a show i've watched they said that's true, so it must be the truth. And the politicians in election year also say that. 

  

Well, let's boycot america! 

  

PS: think for yourself, don't let others do the thinking for you! 
 
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January 2, 2006, 2:42 am PST

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

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 As a former expat American who lived in the London, England area for many years, I saw more and more of my fellow expats rudely awakened to the fact that, despite the language similarities and other home touches, when you leave the USA, you are NOT in America anymore and your kids and you are subject to the laws (or lack thereof) of whatever country you are in. 

When you go on a cruise, you are subject to laws of the sea and the laws of the country of registry that the cruiseliner belongs to.   When you enter another country, even one that seems like "home", don't take for granted that they are going to look at your under-18s the same way as they would be viewed at home.  If the drinking age in that country is 16, your kids could be in bars getting slipped rohypnol or other date-rape drugs.  If the sex laws in that country are extremely liberal, your child could be raped (even if it seemed like consent) because it is allowed in that country. 

Americans who travel abroad or even work abroad need to be better informed as to their rights as parents and about other social laws that will affect their families and themselves.  In England, children can go on welfare at age 16, whether they need it or not, just because they don't like the rules at home.  Many expat families found out the hard way that, even though their children were not legally allowed to live/work in the UK without the parent's visa, they could move out, be given public housing and funds, and not subject to any of their parents' rules.  They could even go and get abortions or RU-486 without parental consent and the parent couldn't get access to the child's medical records once they had reached the age of 16.  If you think things are the same as back home because it is comfortable, think again.  There will be a rude awakening, and it is our responsibility to be as informed as possible before we subject ourselves and our families to the laws of a foreign country. 

As for Natalee Holloway, her parents and those of her peers should never have allowed a senior trip to a property of the Netherlands, one of the most liberal countries with easily accessible drugs, alcohol and sex laws aimed at about as irresponsible behavior with these things as there is.  Americans who go to these places uninformed are asking for trouble.

The Netherlands are liberal concerning drugs and alcohol. But it seems to work much better than the strict rules of the United States. I saw a message on this board about the number of addicts, and abuse of the Netherlands and the United States. The last one would be a nasty country to live in or to go for a holiday.  

  

At the age of 16 I was allowed to drink according to the Dutch law. I and a lot of others were able to control our drinking (easily). In the Netherlands a small amount of soft drugs is "gedoogd", which means its still a crime but you won't get arrested etc. I don't use drugs, but I know a lot of people who do. What I have noticed that when things went wrong with alcohol or soft drugs it were mostly tourists from other countries.  

  

And what I have noticed during my education is that you just like to do what is forbidden.............. 
 
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January 2, 2006, 4:07 am PST

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

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     Beth and Natalee Holloway (and their family) are just as much victims of Hurricane Katrina as the people of the Gulf Coast, especially those who lost family members to violence there. If the "happy island" of Aruba thinks that Americans have not noticed that as soon as the world's media was focused elsewhere, that they released these slimeballs from custody, they can just go "check their foot" as my father in law used to say. We know exactly what they've been up to all along-a GIANT COVERUP! Anyone, American or otherwise, who goes there, knowing what happened in this case, is not only falling for this crap, but actually making the statement that it was perfectly okay for Aruban authorities to treat a tourist this way. Wise up, folks! They only want your MONEY. They don't give a damn about YOU.  There are just too many other equally nice or better islands to vacation on. WHO NEEDS ARUBA and THEIR INCOMPENT POLICE DEPARTMENT and their nasty attitude.
    Beth, Jug and the rest of Natalee's family and friends, God be with you. You will be in our hearts and prayers until you find your answers.
    Julie and Jim
    Jacksonville, FL
   

Would you still like our pumps and knowledge about water control?? It would be easy for the Dutch to say bocot the US and don't help them with their problems. Let them handle it themselves. But no we are concerned en compassionate about the victims of the hurricane and following flood. We are sending our knowledge and further help.  

Furthermore on the message board I have read about the difference in treatment of black and white on Aruba. The Dutch have acknowledge a history of slave trade. But they also made their apologies (late, but they did). We have got our troubles, but the most consider everbody is equal. I have heard trough the news that the black people didn't got the right help. There was comparison that the help would have come immediately if the people were white (and rich) So look in your own backyard 
 
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January 2, 2006, 4:18 am PST

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

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     Beth and Natalee Holloway (and their family) are just as much victims of Hurricane Katrina as the people of the Gulf Coast, especially those who lost family members to violence there. If the "happy island" of Aruba thinks that Americans have not noticed that as soon as the world's media was focused elsewhere, that they released these slimeballs from custody, they can just go "check their foot" as my father in law used to say. We know exactly what they've been up to all along-a GIANT COVERUP! Anyone, American or otherwise, who goes there, knowing what happened in this case, is not only falling for this crap, but actually making the statement that it was perfectly okay for Aruban authorities to treat a tourist this way. Wise up, folks! They only want your MONEY. They don't give a damn about YOU.  There are just too many other equally nice or better islands to vacation on. WHO NEEDS ARUBA and THEIR INCOMPENT POLICE DEPARTMENT and their nasty attitude.
    Beth, Jug and the rest of Natalee's family and friends, God be with you. You will be in our hearts and prayers until you find your answers.
    Julie and Jim
    Jacksonville, FL
   
 
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January 2, 2006, 6:36 am PST

hate campaign

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And the war in Iraq was done out of love, or just for the oil............................. 

  

I am really hoping Nathalee will be found, dead or alive.  It is also hard for parents to miss their child. I wish the family and friends of Nathalee good luck. But I am against a hate campaign against Aruba and the Netherlands. You can't convict a whole nation. And before calling the countries, their law systems and inhabitants crap etc get the know them. Not everything is the same as in the USA. People have different cultures, ideas and more.  

(Also counting for dr Phil!!!) 
 
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January 5, 2006, 11:54 am PST

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Well, I think that there are also dutch people have dissapeared in the USA... 

  

WAIT: have you been covering it up. I think so. In a show i've watched they said that's true, so it must be the truth. And the politicians in election year also say that. 

  

Well, let's boycot america! 

  

PS: think for yourself, don't let others do the thinking for you! 

 i saw the show tonight yea we are a bit slow in sweden.but i will say this,give me 30 minutes with those two aruban boys,and i promise they will talk, BIG TIME.
 
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January 9, 2006, 7:07 am PST

Okay Lets compare murderers

...and say which justice system is a greater failure.... 

Aruba: Joran van der Sloot (probably murdered Nathalee) and I bet there are some more murderers we've never heard of, but I bet Aruba can easily be outnumbered: 

  

USA: 

- Richard Ramirez 

- Ted Bundy 

- Jeffrey Dahmer 

- Scott Peterson 

- Dennis Rader 

- Ed Gein... 

Oh my gosh I haven't even even come to 10 % of the US Serial killers' list yet and Aruba's already outnumbered and then I didn't even mention the wacko's who killed Jon Benet, Danielle van Dam, or the numerous robbers who killed for profits, some Ivy-league guys who date-raped and then killed their victims and....and all of these cases that have never been solved or allowed people to kill for another ten years before they were solved.... 

  

Right, right, the Aruban legal system is messed up indeed, oh yes, faaaar more messed up than the US, and obviously Arubans are far more evil then Ameicans and therefore Americans are right to look down on Arubans in disdain and really don't have to get off their self-righteous hiigh horse! And are so right to go and try and ruin Aruba. I didn't see that show, but did doctor Phil, rational sensible man that he otherwise is, really set out on a cruscade against the entire Aruban nation? When is he going to do the same against the US? Because how many tourists came to America, were murdered and did'n't even make national news? Oh no, I forgot. The US just goes out to other countries and kills the people there in their own homelands....I'm so angry and disgusted by this whole "we are great and they are nasty"- atitude, I should probably stop. 
 
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January 15, 2006, 5:55 pm PST

COURAGE YOU TO GO TO ARUBA? NO THANK YOU..

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I'm a Arubian citizen, living in Holland. 

This whole Nathalee Holloway case makes me very sad. 

I'm sad about how you think about  ARUBA, that Aruba is no safe anymore. 

That the Arubian people don't care for your people and that we are after you $$$. 

The Arubian people are hard-workers, very loyal y honest persons, that or law is not as force as the US law is true, but we are still a part of the Netherlands. 

Dr. Phil with all my respect to you, because I love your show and watch it every day, I wonder have you ever been to Aruba?I don't think so. 

I'm challenging you to take the courage to go to Aruba to see for yourself, and I know that you will change your point of view. 

My brother was killed 7 years ago while he was working by a Colombian & Venezuelan. 

But we never came to the idea to boycott Colombia or Venezuela. 

We left it in the hand of GOD. 

Aruba is a very small Island that depends on Tourist, I doesn't feel nice that we are in such negative view by the whole world. There is so much going on in the US so many missing persons, In Alabama are around 13 Peron's missing, all that terrorist acts, hurricanes, and so on... 

I hope that when the whole truth come above that the whole us community makes a public apologize to Aruba and that you can try to change the negative view of Aruba. 

 GOD BLESS ARUBA 

I am amazed that you are sad about what is being said about Aruba, well it is not your daughter missing and you to encourage Dr. Phil to go there, well I encourage you to go there and stay because you say the people are loyal there, ya well we have found out how loyal they are to each other....No matter what you do the Police are loyal the GOVERNMENT,EVERYONE that is from there all loyal to each other so what you said about loyalty we already have learned about Aruba people and there loyalty... NO THANK YOU........I hope no american ever spends another dime there and the country is devestated, just like Beth and every other american is over Natalee Hollaway........ 

  

YOURS TRULY, 

PROUD AMERICAN AND PROUD OF BETH............. 
 
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January 19, 2006, 1:39 pm PST

Beth's Anguish

Being the mother of 2 daughters, I'm absolutely heart-sick at the sight of that poor woman's face!  She  has obviously lost weight, lost sleep and we just do not want her to lose hope.  I pray for Natalee, her parents and all her many friends and there is not a day goes by but what I don't utter a whispered, very sincere prayer  for Beth.  I really hope God provides an answer soon.  topper
 
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