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Topic : 09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

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Created on : Friday, September 09, 2005, 03:42:10 pm
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It's a story that captured national attention and struck fear in the hearts of parents everywhere. Eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared during a senior class trip to the island of Aruba. Now, Dr. Phil uncovers information never before revealed.  Tune in for exclusive interviews -- some potentially incriminating -- with witnesses, suspects and their families and friends. Find out what the polygraph says about a crucial witness, and hear Natalee's mom describe how the horror of losing her precious daughter unfolded over one heartbreaking summer. Share your thoughts here.

 

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September 15, 2005, 6:56 pm PDT

Vacation elsewhere

Dr. Phil is absolutely right about taking our tourism elsewhere.  At one time Aruba would have been a place of choice for me to vacation.  I would never even consider it now and I hope other Americans boycott Aruba.  I believe that the truth will eventually come out , but in a "land of self proclaimed liars" will justice ever be served? 

 
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September 15, 2005, 6:58 pm PDT

Disappearance of Natalee

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I understand what your saying i thought the same when i saw the show.
I am a single Mom of 2 boys. I have raised them to respect women, yet I do not know everything that goes on in their head. I do know a lot that goes on in their life, however. I believe her Mother & believe she is telling the truth about Natalee. I was a virgin until I was married & can honestly say that I was a goody two shoes. Even though my parents sheltered me & curiousity played in my mind...I still remained respectful. Yes, I went & socialized with my friends when they went out drinking, but that didn't mean that I was loose. Please do not call the kettle black if it is not. Even if she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, it is still unacceptable to allow Aruba & it's people to get away with what we hope is not murder. I hope & pray that she is still alive. And I hope that justice is served!  No offense to the government, but money talks. Let's show some respect to her & her family. Dr. Phil has gone to great lengths to research this before it aired & it is not for us to judge anyone. God Bless them...a candle is lit & many prayers are sent.
 
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September 15, 2005, 6:59 pm PDT

Writing letters

Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I just wrote letters to all of the officials Dr Phil has listed on the site - and emailed those addresses to all of my friends. 

I would be SICK if this was my daughter!  Someone has to help that mom - and who better than other moms?! 

I would love to know how many people take Dr Phil up on his letter writing campaign! 

  

 
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September 15, 2005, 7:02 pm PDT

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

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I AGREE WITH ALL OF WHAT YOU SAID OTHER THEN ABOUT DR.PHIL.PEOPLE GO MISSING ALL THE TIME FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE AND FROM EVERY COUNTRY.I HATE IT AND ITS GOT TO STOP.WE HAVE MISSING KIDS HERE TOO.I THINK SOMEONE SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS.BUT NOT THE GOVERMENT.ALL THO I HAVE NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE OF CANADA.SO I DONT REALLY KNOW HOW OTHER COUNTRYS WORK OTHER THEN WHAT I HEAR ON T.V.BUT WHY DON'T PEOPLE BLAME THESE KIDS FOR TAKING HER OR DRUGGING HER.OR FOR WHAT THEY DID TO HER.GOD PEOPLE ALWAYS BLAME THE GOVERMENT FOR EVERYTHIG.I DOTN THINK THEY SHOULD HOW EVER IM ONLY ONE PERSON.I WISH YOU THE BEST BETH.AND NEVER GIVE UP 

  

                             KATHY 

At some point you have to let your children go and hope they remember all you have taught them over the years.  Yes, it is apparent Natalee made some bad decisions, but she was 18 years old and is legally considered an adult.  It is a tragedy that she is missing and I feel for her family, but I don't think the correct answer is to tell her no, she couldn't go to Aruba.  She and her family are in my prayers.
 
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September 15, 2005, 7:03 pm PDT

Tourist on strike

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I think if Americans put the pressure on Aruba then it will hit their government in the wallet.  Then maybe their citizens will also put the pressure on the government.  I think  Van der Sloot's dad has a lot of influence there so maybe that is why they are not doing anything about this case.  I think it is disgusting.   I couldn't believe how coldhearted Depok sounded today about Natalee.   I know Natalee's dad lives in Mississippi.  I wonder if he had any problems since the hurricane hit. 

I agree with Dr. Phil when he mentioned the fact that we should so to speak boy cot the travelings to Aruba. I think we should hit them where the money talks. Then maybe they will think twice. I know that I will never set foot on a land where wrong is permitted! Way to go Dr Phil!!! I greatly appreciate your style & wisdom that you pass along to the rest of us. God Bless.
 
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September 15, 2005, 7:19 pm PDT

MAKE MISSING PERSON CRIMES HISTORY - FOR NOW AND IN THE FUTURE

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you act as though she had all her facility's after being what I understand she was drugged. she did have a couple drinks, maybe not even two, but it only takes one drink and a date rape drug to get her so looped she had no idea what she was doing. You got to bat for these guys who admit they so much as raped her.  If a guy can get away with having sex with a woman, teen girl and no one would find out about it most men would do it. I read a report in a magazine several years ago where men where asked if they could have sex with a young girl of 13 or younger and no one would find out most all the men questioned said yes they would do it.. Many men, guys feel that sex is theirs for the taking. Give a girl some drugs or get her drunk, act like you like her and you pretty much have control.Sadly most men would not do the right thing. and isn't it interesting how many guys and men stick up for their fellow man..Hey what the heck it's only sex.. What does that hurt.. relax and take it. Is that what you are trying to say, by sticking up for those criminals..I just sit back and watch guys come to their defense over and over again.. I know how most guys are... I know first hand how men can be.. Now I'm the mom of a 24 yo daughter and just like beth I'd be beating doors down to find my daughter. and yes American need to stay away from Aruba. Those people have a way to tell their legal system that what they did by releasing these guys (monsters) is wrong.. I mean he admits to being alone with her, having sex with her, in-fact all three of them RAPED HER..I guess it's a mans world and you don't pay for that in Aruba.. Makes me sick... Beth we are praying for you and hoping that Men in this country and Aruba will stand up and tell all men that rape is wrong and a crime.. Prove me wrong Men.. Yell as loud as us women about this atrocity.. ( now in saying all that I said... I do know that there are some caring and unique men out there that are sickened but this case.. And in fact have gone to great lengths to help look for natalee..I aplaud you in your efforts..thank you.. Me personally Think that knowing that Paul van de sloots home was not searched at all, my gut has said for a long time that her body is on that property( maybe in a deep freezer.I don't know. but not finding even a speck of anything of natalees anywhere makes me think Paul knows where she is and in fact probably has her body hidden and I feel that pauls wife knows alot more than she's saying. I think they should let the parents of natalee have someone go in a search the heck out of that house.. Paul vds knows everything.. Amazing how Katrina hits and eron and daddy flee the country.. And I agree with dr. phil American need to stand up for this young girl and stay out of ARUBA.. AND TO THOSE GIVING BETH A HARD TIME... Please Stop and think of what you would feel like if this was your daughter missing.. I know I am going to get hate mail... Ok, if it means getting people riled up enough to bring more attention to this case... My prayer are with the family of Natalee... We all want answers...If you are not one of these men that I spoke of earlier, and you know who you are... Pat yourself on the back for being decent...
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS MESSAGE BOARD WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO POST MY FEEDBACK IN A PROPER FORMAT, SO I AM LEFT WITH RESPONDING USING BOLD TYPE & SYMBOLS TO SEPARATE FEEDBACK FROM OTHER'S COMMENTS/ARTICLES/FACTS/ETC:################################****************** I BELIEVE THERE IS ENOUGH ROOMS IN OUR HEARTS TO MAKE "MISSING PERSON CRIMES" HISTORY************************************Whether you get hate mail or not, disregard it. You know what, God Bless You. I support your comments as much as I support Beth. As I posted earlier today, if Natalee was drugged by any kind of date rape drug she would have been, "helpless","slipping in and out of consciousness," "not in control", etc. IMO, I DO NOT BELIEVE NATALEE WAS DRUNK, I THINK SHE DRUGGED BY SOME KIND OF DATE RAPE DRUG AND WHICH I FEEL EXPLAINS THE SUSPECTS COMMENTARY/STATEMENTS: ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH HER AS SHE WENT IN OUT OF CONSCIOUSNESS AND/OR WE ALL HAD SEX WITH HER, IT WAS TOO EASY, AND ETC..........................###############################BOTTOM LINE JORAN & THE KALPOE BROTHERS SEVERLY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF A HELPESS, INNOCENT GIRL, NATALEE. THEY HAVE BROKEN THE LAW ON NUMEROUS ACCOUNTS, THEY ARE NOT JUST WALKING FREE SUSPECTS!!!!!!!!!!!! AND THERE IS NO REASON FOR THEM TO BE "TOTALLY FREE" AS I POSTED TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!##########################So PLEASE TO EVERYONE PRACTICE EDUCATION & PREVENTION & SAFETY IN NUMBERS, TO SAY THE LEAST. CONTACT YOUR MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ABOUT DATE RAPE DRUGS & DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO EDUCATE YOURSELVES NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE OR TRAVEL TO, & PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING EVER AGAIN WHILE ALSO PRACTICING SAFETY IN NUMBERS WHILE ENCOURAGING YOURSELVES AND OTHERS TO TAKE ADDITIONAL STEPS IN EDUCATION & SAFETY BY PARTICIPATING IN SELF DEFENSE COURSES. TAKE ACTION & DO WHAT YOU CAN TO LEND HELP & SUPPORT FOR NATALEE & ALL LIKE HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!This case is not about placing blame on Beth, Natalee or her family. This case remains with the suspects, Joran, Deepak, Satish. I also feel this case remains very much with PAULUS VANDERSLOOT as well. The Aruban governments/aurthorities/LAWYERS/JUDICIAL/DEFENSE/and perhaps even certain players in the prosecution/ etc.......... . Although many in Aruba have helped Beth,[and they do NOT deserve a boycott, but I am sure they can sympathize with where Beth and Dr. Phil, and countless other supporters, are coming from], many, MANY have helped sabotage the case in favor of the suspects/DEFENSE TEAM while leaving Beth as she said, "slapped in the face." Their actions & decisions are unfounded,unjust, unfair, dishonest, disgraceful, shameful, to say the least. Therefore Beth, and now today Dr. Phil, asks for our help, asks for our support, asks for our voice, asks for our letters/voices to be sent to & heard by the US statesmen, the President as well as the goverment of Aruba and The Netherlands, and the government & officials in EVERY AND ALL OVER & EVERYWHERE IMBETWEEN - WHERE THERE ARE INNNOCENT VICTIMS OF "MISSING PERSON CRIMES" AND IN SUPPORT OF THEIR FAMILIES AND LOVED ONES. I feel this case is not just about Natalee, this is about each and every victim of "missing person crimes". As much as my thoughts and prayers remain with Natalee, they remain with Taylor, Julie, Latoya, and countless, countless others who have been victims of crime, who were found as victims of crime, who have not yet been found as victims of crime, who are still missing as victims of crime, who actually survived & were found as victims of crime yet, like all victims of crime -************************* have much need of healing, medical attention, therapy, love, support, compassion, security, hope, etc., - as they go foward, - and equally the following are much in need of as well, [have much need of healing, medical attention, therapy, love, support, compassion, security, hope, etc., - as they go foward,], such as who have been victims of the crime of rape, victims of date rape drugs, victims of all kinds of violating another innocent human being, etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ###################################For all the victims & survivors of these crimes: THIS HAS TO STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS NEEDS TO BE A PRIOIRITY SO THAT WE NEVER HEAR OF ANY MORE "VICTIMS OF CRIME/MISSING PERSONS/RELATED CRIMES." PLEASE PRAY FOR ALL THE MISSING WORLDWIDE...........................PLEASE PRAY FOR THEIR RETURN, SAFE & SOUND........................................################################# SO PLEASE KEEP THIS MIND: WE WILL ACT/REACT!!!!!! WE WILL EDUCATE!!!!! WE WILL PREVENT!!!!! WE WILL ENCOURAGE SAFETY !!!!! AND WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN!!!!! BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THERE IS ENOUGH ROOMS IN OUR HEARTS TO MAKE "MISSING PERSON CRIMES" HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!************************************
 

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September 15, 2005, 7:39 pm PDT

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

Quote From: cbmdej

From what I've read from the show,natalee's mother sayd that Joran admitted he had sex with Natalee.
Having sex is not the same as rape. And it also not a crime.

About Joran having fled the country. Check your facts. He was not told not to leave Aruba.
He was told not to leave the Kingdom. Aruba is part ot the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Joran was in his rights to go to the Netherlands. He did not flee the country.
He was released because there was no evidence to hold him and until such evidence is found
its innocent until proven guilty.

As for boycotting Aruba, that is just rediculous.
I'm sure Americans have gone missing in other countries.
Do you boycot them? No.
So why Aruba?

People from other countries have also gone missing in the United States,
but we don't boycot you for that,do we?

BRAVO!  I agree.  First, the girl should have been at the very least, part of a buddy system.  Furthermore, she WAS drinking in a foreign country not knowing anybody.  Clearly her mother didn't know her daughter as well as she thought (high morals, perfect, etc.). 

  

I am not a heartless person, but if as much attention was given to ALL missing children, even those who do not come from families who can afford to move to Aruba for months at a time, those missing from their own backyards, and as the above mentions, those missing in the US from other countries we would have a safer world. 

 
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September 15, 2005, 7:50 pm PDT

Beth

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I think if Americans put the pressure on Aruba then it will hit their government in the wallet.  Then maybe their citizens will also put the pressure on the government.  I think  Van der Sloot's dad has a lot of influence there so maybe that is why they are not doing anything about this case.  I think it is disgusting.   I couldn't believe how coldhearted Depok sounded today about Natalee.   I know Natalee's dad lives in Mississippi.  I wonder if he had any problems since the hurricane hit. 

Thank you Dr. Phil. I know you will do everything posiable for Beth to get the answers she needs.It may day days weeks or years but God will always be with Natalee and Beth and he will never leave them. The men who have done this will meet Justice they will never be able to hide from what they have done. Natalee is in there minds and she crys for Justice they will never be free from what they have done.No matter where Joran and the others go She will be in there heads forever. God Bless you Dr. Phil and Beth my prayers are always with you and Natalee Never Give Up. God Bless Grandmafuz
 
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September 15, 2005, 7:57 pm PDT

You are wrong when they go missing here usually we find them

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BRAVO!  I agree.  First, the girl should have been at the very least, part of a buddy system.  Furthermore, she WAS drinking in a foreign country not knowing anybody.  Clearly her mother didn't know her daughter as well as she thought (high morals, perfect, etc.). 

  

I am not a heartless person, but if as much attention was given to ALL missing children, even those who do not come from families who can afford to move to Aruba for months at a time, those missing from their own backyards, and as the above mentions, those missing in the US from other countries we would have a safer world. 

We do what ever it takes to find the missing and to get justice for the familes. It might take days,Months or years  but we track them down. like the dogs they are when they rape or kill.  Boycott Aruba Americans do not spend a penny going there until they uncover the coverup. God Bless Grandmafuz
 
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September 15, 2005, 8:03 pm PDT

aruba

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BRAVO!  I agree.  First, the girl should have been at the very least, part of a buddy system.  Furthermore, she WAS drinking in a foreign country not knowing anybody.  Clearly her mother didn't know her daughter as well as she thought (high morals, perfect, etc.). 

  

I am not a heartless person, but if as much attention was given to ALL missing children, even those who do not come from families who can afford to move to Aruba for months at a time, those missing from their own backyards, and as the above mentions, those missing in the US from other countries we would have a safer world. 

  bet you wouldnt feel this way if that was your daughter.  

 
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