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Created on : Friday, September 09, 2005, 03:42:10 pm
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It's a story that captured national attention and struck fear in the hearts of parents everywhere. Eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared during a senior class trip to the island of Aruba. Now, Dr. Phil uncovers information never before revealed.  Tune in for exclusive interviews -- some potentially incriminating -- with witnesses, suspects and their families and friends. Find out what the polygraph says about a crucial witness, and hear Natalee's mom describe how the horror of losing her precious daughter unfolded over one heartbreaking summer. Share your thoughts here.

 

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September 23, 2005, 12:34 pm PDT

Use keen judgement

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 I am sure the 2 f16  was just their way of back peddling for getting busted doing a sloppy job with the investigation.  the only thing I think Aruba is covering up is that they  screwed the case up. That is very clear and I think your poor dutch pride has been hurt.   
Actually, I think your poor American pride has been hurt.  All I hear from the messages here is a proclamation of  "how dare they do that to us, we are Americans."  Just because another part of the world doesn't do things exactly as Americans do doesn't mean that they are doing it wrong.  Have you studied the Arubian justice system, or is your response purely emotional? 
 
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September 23, 2005, 12:35 pm PDT

Great Generalization

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i can't begin to tell you how i feel about this case. Beth and her family are in our prayers i hope they find Natalee so they can closure one way or another. I have 3 children and my heart goes out to Beth and her family.. 

I am so disgusted with the Aruba Judge and Police and in the show you have a tape interview with one of the suspects mom on it she has no remorse for what her son knows or did to Natalee.. That makes me sooo sick!!  Then the father and son that moved to Netherlands "NO COVER UP THERE".. My husband and i thought about going to Aruba for vacation with our children but there is no way i would go knowing that they take your money and you don't return home from was suppose to be an awesome island.. Shame on Aruba and everyone that is covering this up.. 

I will be writing the officials that you have listed also.. 

Shirley & Mike 

Right....one person doesn't return home and all of a sudden you have generalized that every trip would turn out that way.  You'd have a better chance of being killed leaving your American home today than taking a trip to Aruba.   

  

  

 
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September 23, 2005, 2:15 pm PDT

Paulus Van Der Sloot - "bio document" translated from Dutch

FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS QUESTIONED WHETHER PAULUS WAS/IS A JUDGE OR NOT, HERE IS THE INFORMATION TRANSLATED FROM A DUTCH DOCUMENT. IMO, Paulus, Anita, Mrs. Kalpoe have and continue to withhold evidence and/or lie about Natalee's whereabouts, along with Joran, Deepak and Satish. I would like to see the parents of the suspects held for questioning and for Joran and the Kalpoe brothers to be rearrested. ################################### TITLE:Van der Sloot, persistent lawyer with principles The lawyer Paul van der Sloot, that is detained in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway affair, is here mostly known for his 20-year-long fight against the building of a motorway around Boxtel.#############################BOXTELPaul van der Sloot is indeed member of a brassband and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba, he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place. There was a huge disbelief in Aruba when he was arrested for his alleged involvement in disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Boxtel had experienced him as someone who would always persevere and had a thorough manner of working. Paul van der Sloot fought twenty years long (from 1973 until 1993) with local residents against the construction of a southern motorway, that had to go partly over the estate of the Van der Sloot family. Paul van der Sloot stood his ground and fought civil servants and politicians that had proposed and produced the faulty plans for the new motorway in the Cousil of State. The motorway came eventually but it was not laid through the scenic valuable territory anymore but further away. In his birthplace Boxtel, van der Sloot was criticized a lot because while he was fighting the developments of the new motorway, the dangerous traffic was still led trough Boxtel and this was causing accidents and consequently was costing the lives of many people. Van der Sloot was seen as a fault-finder that to prevent the motorway to be build on part of his land , was willing to sacrifice the lives of the youth who attended the schools in the vicinity of the local dangerous streets. Van der Sloot said later on that the criticism hurt him deeply..####################################TILBURGVan der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper ‘Nondejure'. After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government. It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three suns, were born.################################NEW JOBIn 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers were not impressed with his stance „I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser. If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are. I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results“, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Nieuwsblad. After a while Van der Sloot got a different assigment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts. Van der Sloot considered going back to The Netherlands, but he liked the small scale of Aruba and as it appeared he had enough possibilities to continue with his career. He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university.################################JUDGETwo years ago Van der Sloot got the opportunity to become a judge. With his background that meant that he had follow a training course of three years. During that training period, he was appointed as a substitute judge in the Antillean court. Van der Sloot completed the training period of a year in the Netherlands recently but he has not conducted a court(hearing) yet.########################## Translation by HASIBOKOS.COM of an article by Brabants Dagblad published on Monday 27th of June.
 
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September 23, 2005, 5:36 pm PDT

Aruba's equal time

I read that Aruba wants equal air time.  I don't think Aruba has the right to demand anything in our country. They print and air what they want in their country without questionand nothing flattering about the USA,, but I hope that if they are given the generosity of air time it isn't allowed  as more free publicy. Their own PM said that he loved the publicty from the poor family because it was something they couldn't afford.

Natalee and the Holloways and Twittys shouldn't be used to further their travel brochure wants.
 
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September 23, 2005, 5:40 pm PDT

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

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Right....one person doesn't return home and all of a sudden you have generalized that every trip would turn out that way.  You'd have a better chance of being killed leaving your American home today than taking a trip to Aruba.   

  

  

 Well we actually investigate crime and don't assume for 10 days that a missing person just doesn't want to go home.
 
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September 23, 2005, 10:07 pm PDT

Keep it simple

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http://www.lostremote.com/archives/005685.html 

  

Aruba: Murder by numbers
As Coverage Mania of the Holloway story continues unabated, let's do some math. I know - we got into journalism precisely because we were told there would be no math. But let's do some anyway and answer empirically: Just how dangerous is that vicious, pirate-ridden, uncaring island of Aruba?

BY STEVE SAFRAN
LOST REMOTE MANAGING EDITOR

The population of Aruba is about 72,000 people. A conservative estimate of visitors in a given week is about 13,500. Total people on island at any given time? About 85,500.

Last year in Aruba there were two murders - possibly just one, depending on which stat you believe. We'll go with two anyway. No tourists were killed. That's a murder rate on Aruba of a little over 2 per 100,000, but we’ll call it an even 2. Or look at it this way: The Aruba murder rate is .0002.

Still, you can't go a minute without hearing about Natalee and you're worried. Maybe you're switching your vacation from Aruba to Jamaica. Bring some Kevlar. Murder rate: 32 per 100,000.

You'll be twice as safe in Puerto Rico as you would be in Jamaica. Still, it's eight times more dangerous than Aruba: 16 per 100,000 folks in Puerto Rico are going to meet an untimely end this year (with or without Greta Van Sustern caring).

If you're fine with 10 in 100,000 murders per capita, we can suggest Mexico, Estonia, Belize, the Dominican Republic and maybe Barbados during a bad year. Feel a little more secure in Costa Rica. Of your 100,000 friends, 99,994 won't get capped.

So, stick to the U.S. Virgin Islands. We run it. How bad could it be? Turns out you better leave behind a lot of clues if you're going there: 25 murders per 100,000. That's worse than ANY American city, save for New Orleans where shooting guns into the air is considered good, clean fun. The British Virgin Islands are more polite, but say “cheerio” to 11 per 100,000 chaps.

Screw it, you think, I'll just stay home. Now you're only three times as likely to be killed as if you went to Aruba, with the U.S. murder rate at about 6 per 100,000. The murder rate in New York City, from where Fox News constantly reminds us how dangerous Aruba is, was 7 per 100,000 people in 2002. And if your home is in, let's say, Alabama, up the murder rate to 7.5 per 100,000. Then wonder if one of your congressman will call for a boycott of your own state.

Obviously, there are safer places to vacation than Aruba. Go to Slovenia, Tunisia, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia or Qatar and you're golden. Go to Canada, and you're as safe as you could be. Of course, it's colder than Aruba, but the murder rate is tiny. And it's much less likely your family will be pestered by Nancy Grace. She's from the south. She hates the cold.

I got a certain amount of hate mail regarding my last column on Aruba media insanity. (Ironically,
Aruba Today's editor said she loved it.) One eloquent writer asked "Do you have a life?" I think it's pretty obvious the answer is "No, of course not. I work in news." One person asked, simply "What is your point?" Context. That's my point. I am not mocking this tragedy, nor the importance of it to the family. What I am so troubled by is a national media obsession that is making Aruba look as though it is run by the Sopranos. Before we ruin the Aruban economy, which is dependent on tourism, here is a little more context:

Natalee disappeared on May 30, 2005. Also on that date, five U.S. soldiers died in Iraq: Corp. Jeffrey B. Starr died in Ramadi, and SSGT. Casey Crate, Captain Derek Argel, Captain Jeremy Fresques and Major William Downes died in Jalawah.

There are currently 19 kids from Alabama listed as missing at the
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children website. (2 are from before 1980, some are indeed "family abductions" or "runaways".)

In South Africa, two young tourists were murdered the day after Natalee went missing.

LaToyia Figueroa, a 24-year-old pregnant woman from South Philadelphia, has been missing since July. She is Black. There has been just about no media coverage (except for stories wondering why there's no media coverage). Contrast that with the non-stop madness surrounding Laci Peterson, a 27-year-old pregnant woman from Modesto, California, who was white.

35,000 children are forced to work as prostitutes just across the sea from Aruba, in Colombia.

It's unlikely you’ll be murdered in Aruba, and it’s even more unlikely the news will care. Of course, there are ways to skew the numbers. It turns out you can geometrically expand the odds of having your story covered if you’re a cute white girl with an articulate mother during a slow news cycle. This should generate a significant spike in ratings numbers; after all, that’s the only stat that really matters.

Sources:

Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), International Comparisons of Criminal Justice Statistics 2001-Home Office Bulletin 12/03 http://www.ascotadvisory.com/News_Bulletin/9961.html

Georgia State U. Department of Criminal Justice Statistical Analysis Bureau: http://www.cjgsu.net/initiatives/HomRates-2004-05-14.htm
Iraq Casualties from Centcom.mil, via Iraq Coalition Casualty Count http://icasualties.org/oif/ Black America Web: http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/figueroa808
Colombia Journal Online:
http://www.colombiajournal.org/colombia111.htm

With assistance (and math help) from: Julia Renfro, Editor in Chief, Aruba Today; RD Sahl, Anchor, NECN: Jeff Gralnick, MSNBC; Tom Melville, Asst. ND, NECN
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Have the Aruba Justice Dept Tell the truth and do there Jobs.
 
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September 23, 2005, 10:12 pm PDT

We dont cover it up.

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 Well we actually investigate crime and don't assume for 10 days that a missing person just doesn't want to go home.
We keep the case opened and never cover it up.
 
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September 23, 2005, 10:14 pm PDT

Paul Van der Sloot is a person who should ever be allowed to Judge

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FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS QUESTIONED WHETHER PAULUS WAS/IS A JUDGE OR NOT, HERE IS THE INFORMATION TRANSLATED FROM A DUTCH DOCUMENT. IMO, Paulus, Anita, Mrs. Kalpoe have and continue to withhold evidence and/or lie about Natalee's whereabouts, along with Joran, Deepak and Satish. I would like to see the parents of the suspects held for questioning and for Joran and the Kalpoe brothers to be rearrested. ################################### TITLE:Van der Sloot, persistent lawyer with principles The lawyer Paul van der Sloot, that is detained in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway affair, is here mostly known for his 20-year-long fight against the building of a motorway around Boxtel.#############################BOXTELPaul van der Sloot is indeed member of a brassband and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba, he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place. There was a huge disbelief in Aruba when he was arrested for his alleged involvement in disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Boxtel had experienced him as someone who would always persevere and had a thorough manner of working. Paul van der Sloot fought twenty years long (from 1973 until 1993) with local residents against the construction of a southern motorway, that had to go partly over the estate of the Van der Sloot family. Paul van der Sloot stood his ground and fought civil servants and politicians that had proposed and produced the faulty plans for the new motorway in the Cousil of State. The motorway came eventually but it was not laid through the scenic valuable territory anymore but further away. In his birthplace Boxtel, van der Sloot was criticized a lot because while he was fighting the developments of the new motorway, the dangerous traffic was still led trough Boxtel and this was causing accidents and consequently was costing the lives of many people. Van der Sloot was seen as a fault-finder that to prevent the motorway to be build on part of his land , was willing to sacrifice the lives of the youth who attended the schools in the vicinity of the local dangerous streets. Van der Sloot said later on that the criticism hurt him deeply..####################################TILBURGVan der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper Nondejure'. After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government. It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three suns, were born.################################NEW JOBIn 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers were not impressed with his stance I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser. If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are. I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Nieuwsblad. After a while Van der Sloot got a different assigment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts. Van der Sloot considered going back to The Netherlands, but he liked the small scale of Aruba and as it appeared he had enough possibilities to continue with his career. He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university.################################JUDGETwo years ago Van der Sloot got the opportunity to become a judge. With his background that meant that he had follow a training course of three years. During that training period, he was appointed as a substitute judge in the Antillean court. Van der Sloot completed the training period of a year in the Netherlands recently but he has not conducted a court(hearing) yet.########################## Translation by HASIBOKOS.COM of an article by Brabants Dagblad published on Monday 27th of June.
The only thing Paul Van der Sloot learned was how to lied to save his Son. He wouldnt make a good Dog Catcher.
 
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September 23, 2005, 10:18 pm PDT

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

Quote From: raine2005

I read that Aruba wants equal air time.  I don't think Aruba has the right to demand anything in our country. They print and air what they want in their country without questionand nothing flattering about the USA,, but I hope that if they are given the generosity of air time it isn't allowed  as more free publicy. Their own PM said that he loved the publicty from the poor family because it was something they couldn't afford.

Natalee and the Holloways and Twittys shouldn't be used to further their travel brochure wants.
As far as the Aruba Goverment or law enforcement what could they possible say to Americans . They Screwed this case up and then Covered it up.  There isnt one thing they can say . What they can do is tell the truth and close this case. God Bless Natalee and her family
 
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September 23, 2005, 10:22 pm PDT

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

Quote From: kairshea

Right....one person doesn't return home and all of a sudden you have generalized that every trip would turn out that way.  You'd have a better chance of being killed leaving your American home today than taking a trip to Aruba.   

  

  

Everyone counts and until Aruba Stops the coverup noone should travel there. Sooner or Later we solve our crime cases we dont cover them up.
 
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