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Topic : 05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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Created on : Friday, September 09, 2005, 03:43:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/16/05) How important do you think looks really are? And, do you think attractive people get treated better in society? Dr. Phil's son, Jay, goes out in  disguise to see if people really do judge a book by its cover. You won't believe the results, nor the response that surprised him the most! Plus, Debi favors her older daughter because she’s "beautiful" and treats her youngest like "dirt" because she's "fat and unattractive." Can Dr. Phil help her love both girls equally? And, Michelle only lets her daughter play with pretty kids on the playground because she equates beauty with success in life. Will she learn to re-evaluate her standards? Tell us your thoughts on today's show.

 

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September 16, 2005, 1:08 pm PDT

Mom of Victoria

When I watched today's show I felt like crying. 

  

That sweet little girl, Victoria.....I have never met an ugly child, I don't think it exists.  Yes, I have met overweight children, I have also met mean children, but I have never met an ugly child.  Not only is Victoria NOT an ugly child, she is a beautiful child.   

  

I met a girl, through a friend, that had the same skin disease.  But as a confident, and kind person every guy in the group of friends wanted to date her.  My best friend held out finding a date to the Prom because he wanted to take her with him and he didn't have the courage to ask her....HE LIKED HER THAT MUCH!!!!  Someone instilled in her years before that that she was special and beautiful, and you could tell. 

  

I hope that Victoria's mother reads this and begins to learn that a child is a blessing and that for children to grow up to be happy, secure and hopefully sucessful they need a strong foundation from their parents.  What this women is doing is nothing short of abuse and I wish that I could meet Victoria and give her the thousands of hugs and kisses that she so needs and deserves. 

 
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September 16, 2005, 1:09 pm PDT

Can You Believe those parents???

I cannot believe that those parents don't love their children enough to teach them what really matters.  

  

Sure, looks can get you farther, but when you teach such impressionable young minds that beauty and size are what is most important in life then you are dooming them later on in their lives.  How are people going to look at them when they are judging others on what kind of clothes they are wearing and how beautiful they look.  They will get bad reputations!! 

  

I'm not at size 1 although I don't think I'm ugly.  I think my kids are beautiful and I would hate to think that someday they wouldn't want to befriend someone just because they aren't beautiful.  I want my kids to be the best that they can be, even if they themselves are beatiful to others. 

  

This is going to become a vicious cycle with these kids children.   

  

It would destroy me to know that somebody's parents didn't want them to play with my kids because they didn't fit a certain beauty standard. 

  

I grew up overweight (not extremly), but I have always been pretty and I went through a lot of torment because I was a little overweight.  You know there's a problem when I was 135 pounds and I thought I was disgustingly obese.  I would kill to be that size again. 

  

The way I see it, I would rather have my daughter marry an "ugly" man  who treated her like the princess that she is, rather than marry an attractive man that treated her like scum.   

  

These women have to realise that they are brainwashing their kids and that someday these kids are going to have mental problems, both the attractive kids and the "ugly and fat" ones! 

  

How can a mother not love her children unconditionally.  Isn't that what every mother does? 

  

I do! 

 
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September 16, 2005, 1:10 pm PDT

Unconvinced

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Hello,  

Well I have to say I am having a "tuff" time with this subject.  Jay is a great looking young man, and has the wit of his dad and beauty of his mom.  Also I just recently read somewhere that Jay has found his future wife.  Is it so an ex- playboy bunny????  So you tell us, if she were 200pounds and not so "pretty" would there have been a ring?   

I think Dr. Phil is wise beyond what he does for a living.  I like his style and feel he has done some pretty wonderful things for people of all walks of life.  However good looking Jay is not the man for this piece.  

Thank you!  Maybe it's childish of me to feel like this, but I can't help but resent, as a "plain person", being represented by a guy who just got engaged to an ex-Playboy model.  I'm sure she's a lovely individual on the inside, too, but if she looked like me, he probably wouldn't have bothered to meet her in the first place.  I guess I should be more charitable--he would have met her but decided she was a good Platonic Friend.  I know Jay has done a lot of good things and I'm sure he's a very intelligent, generous, and well-meaning guy, but I don't think he was the right choice for this. 

  

I don't even think I'm that bad-looking.  I had a horrible ugly-duckling adolescence--too tall, big hips/thighs, acne, limp hair, awful clothes, thick glasses, you name it, I had it--so by comparison, I think I look GREAT.  Everyone thinks I'm smart, funny, trustworthy, sensible, blah blah blah, but nobody thinks I'm attractive.  I've been lucky in that I haven't been in employment situations where appearances are emphasized (beyond being clean and neat, of course), but I'm always passed over in other respects.  Obviously, I don't want to be treated like an object and I'm glad that men think well of me as a person, but I get tired of being that Platonic Friend.  (And don't tell me that I don't need a man--I DON'T need a man.  I like myself just fine as I am; I just wish somebody else liked me just fine as I am.) 

  

Personally, I thought this was patronizing.  He doesn't look plain, he looks creepy.  He looks like a guy in a weird disguise and I wouldn't have talked to him either (of course, I hate being accosted by strangers in malls for any reason, so he could have looked like George Clooney and I still would have walked away).  He looked sloppy and dirty, which isn't at all the same thing--I could spend a fortune on clothes and hours on my hair and I would still be plain.  Well-groomed but plain.  They should have done this two well-dressed people, one with a "fashionable" and one with an "unfashionable" body type, instead of with a fake slob. 

 
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September 16, 2005, 1:14 pm PDT

09/16 Pretty/Ugly

 For 24 years I worked at a facility for developmentaly disabled children. I saw some horrific deformities in those years. What I learned was to look beyond the disfigurments and see Gods cherubs in all of them. No matter how ugly a child was, there was always some staff member who took special care of those precious babies. Our world is way too superficial. I'd much rather be with a homely individual with a beautful heart than a hunk all hung up on their looks. And dont forget Beauty fades and if the only thing that defines one is beauty, then when its gone we have nothing.
 

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September 16, 2005, 1:14 pm PDT

the ugly child

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 While watching the show today, I couldnt help but get mad at both the mothers.
How dare that mother treat her child as being beneath her, my lord this woman gave birth to her and treats her in that manner.  May God watch over that young precious child she will be n my prayers for a long time to come.  She is also not doing to well for the older child.  This woman in my opinion is abusing her children mentally and emotionally.
The other lady who wouldnt allow her child to play with other children who did not meet her expectations.  I often wonder what the world is coming to.
I unfortunately am one who is what they would call unattractive, and even my last picture taken was in the 7 grade, and no more after that.
I truely feel for

 I hated this mother today. It made me sick to see her and to listen to her. Does she think 

that she is GOD and does she really think that God has a place in her home for the mother? 

 Lord-I believe that someone should take both of those children away from her and put them 

in a loving home where no one cares two hoots about the "pretty thing". 

  

I just could not stand this woman and would love to be with her just one minute. 

  

  

 
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September 16, 2005, 1:15 pm PDT

Social Services

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I was also very appalled by that woman, I think that CPS needs to be involved in her life.  I work with women and children that are victims of Domestic Violence and I see first hand what emotional abuse can do to a child.  This is one of the worst kind of Abuse that anyone can inflict on a child especially a mother.  She is robbing her of her self esteem and setting her up to fail in life.
This woman is guilty of child abuse and should be dealt with quickly.  Forget the help for that miserable woman and get that child out of there.  If she spent half as much time on that child as she obviously does on herself that would be a start.  I don't think she's capable of taking care of Victoria and Victoria seems to be accepting all of it as her just desserts.  She is one cruel woman.
 
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September 16, 2005, 1:15 pm PDT

Appalling Mother

I am watching the mother of the 2 girls, one with the skin disease.  I am utterly appalled at her.  She said she never wanted an obese or ugly child.  It makes me sick that this sub-human is even allowed to have kids.  To love one over the other because of a skin disease that makes her look different is no excuse.  I just cannot believe how shallow this person is.  IT'S HER CHILD!!!  She gave birth to her.   

  

ALL children are blessings.  ALL children are beautiful.  I have lost a child and I was so blessed with the time I had with him.  I am blessed to have my little boy who will turn 5 next month.  He is my world.   

  

People that don't appreciate their children make me sick.  They are blessings, not objects.  This woman is pathetic.   

 
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September 16, 2005, 1:18 pm PDT

Pretty vs. Ugly

From my own personal life experiences I can say that pretty and slim people get further in life than fat and ugly.  Because let's be realistic, people respect people who take care of themselves.  I can say this because after I gave birth to my son, I was considerably overweight and stayed that way for 4years.  In that 4 years, I got laid off from 2 jobs.  I'm not saying that it had anything to do with my weight, but what I am saying is that since then I have lost the weight and have been in my present job for the last 4 yrs.  I think that when people are skinner they look prettier to other people.  And yes, pretty people get further in life.  Prettier people seem to care more about themselves and respect is earned and given. 

  

 
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September 16, 2005, 1:19 pm PDT

The Beauty Within

Debi, you are young and attractive...there will come a day when your looks will fade and even if you are one of those people who can spend thousands on plastic surgery, there will come a day when even that won't help...you will be old, wrinkled, ...this is going to happen...that is guaranteed.   You may be heavier after menopause, and God forbid you may not have your health.  You might have osteoporisis and a hump on your back...or arthritis which causes you to drop and spill things.  You may lose your eyesight somewhat and need glasses for without them you will be bumping into things and stumbling.  You may suffer from incontinence and have "accidents".  When this time comes for you as it will for all of us...your daughters will not see what's on the outside they will only remember their mother who theyt know is on the inside...what are they going to remember, how will you have taught them to feel about and deal with someone who is not beautiful and poised and funcioning at expected levels?... at this time in your life when you need their care and their love and their support?  How will they treat you?  Both of them?  You are damaging both your daughters in different ways that will have the same outcome.   

You are three beautiful females...celebrate your spirits of beauty together as a family...nurture not only Victoria but her sisterhood with Hunner they each need that.  God Bless you all three beauties... 

 
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September 16, 2005, 1:21 pm PDT

THIS MOTHER NEEDS A REALITY CHECK

I am so extremely upset watching Dr. Phil right now about the "mother", and I use the word very loosely, who treats her one daughter like dirt because she isn't "pretty" enough and is embarrassed to be seen with this precious child. This woman needs a complete and total reality check, my son is dead he died 2 years ago and I would never of cared how "cute" he was. I just want my son. I'm really biting my tongue right now, I just want to show her a picture of my precious baby boy in his casket and ask her what is more important to her, her daughter being alive and precious or in a casket like my son.
 
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