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(Original Air Date: 09/16/05) How important do you think looks really are? And, do you think attractive people get treated better in society? Dr. Phil's son, Jay, goes out in  disguise to see if people really do judge a book by its cover. You won't believe the results, nor the response that surprised him the most! Plus, Debi favors her older daughter because she’s "beautiful" and treats her youngest like "dirt" because she's "fat and unattractive." Can Dr. Phil help her love both girls equally? And, Michelle only lets her daughter play with pretty kids on the playground because she equates beauty with success in life. Will she learn to re-evaluate her standards? Tell us your thoughts on today's show.

 

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May 31, 2006, 4:31 pm PDT

Ugly people count

I can't believe what Dr. Phil said at the end of this show!!! 

Jay said something to the effect that he couldn't believe how he was treated when he had the make-up on.  The Dr. Phil said  - Well you did look pretty creep and perverted. 

What is that all about??? does that mean that we are to treat people poorly based on how they look. 

Dr. Phil please rewind your tape and listen to yourself. 

Doesn't that comment almost erase everything else you said previously on this show? 

I guess it just goes to show everyone does judge people by the way they look. 

  

  

 
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May 31, 2006, 4:59 pm PDT

agreed

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I totally understand where you are coming from. I do my hair and my makeup just to make myself feel better and I just like to look my best.  I do work for a national corporation so I need to do it for work as well.  I am not a bad looking gal as I have been told, but my age is what makes people pay less attention.  I guess people in their late 50's and on up are just throw away people any more according to society.
I think anyone in this society who is to hard to look at, past the age of being able to work or physically unable to work are pretty much throw away.  I also think that because there are a few people who have somehow managed to be successful in spite of disabilities, everyone thinks that all people with any disability should be able to do that.  That places great pressure on all people with disabilities which places them in need of help.  It creates the illusion that those who need help shouldn't need it and should "try harder".  So unless you are resourceful, intelligent, fairly attractive, physically as fit as possible, then you don't fit in this world in a visible way.
 
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May 31, 2006, 5:05 pm PDT

To Ach Tech

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The segment where Jay dressed up as a not so attractive guy reminded me so much of my daily life it was unreal. 

  

With the exeption of the hair style, Jay's appearance when he was dressed up was a lot like mine. I am overweight, I wear the same style of pants and button-up shirts, and have eyeglasses. 

  

The hardest part of the whole thing is that I am going to be 28 and I have yet to find a girl who is interested in me. No one wants to look pat my weight and realize that I am more than just "That big guy". 

  

And it frustrates me even more when I see nice girls dating or matrried to guys that treat them like garbage. 

  

People don't realize how hard it is when you are single. Imagine having no one to be with on the holdiays, no one to come home to and talk about your day, no one to comfort you during the times that you are depressed or sad and no one to share your general every day life and interests. 

  

This is how it is for me, every single day. 

  

All my life I have dreamed of marrying a nice girl, buying a house, having a family and sharing life together. But here I am soon to be 28, and still have yet to find someone who is interested in me because I don't have the looks. 

  

So many people, my own family included keep telling me to stop eating so much and go to a diet center and re-learn how to eat and start losing weight. (Unfortunatly, this is the ONLY reason I'm over weight. If I would get on the stick and eat right, I would probably be at least 125 pounds lighter.) 

  

But if you look at that video of how Jay was treated, and think about what it would be like to live this life every day, what initiative would you have if you were in my shoes? There's nothing to live for, so why bother? 

  

  

 I think it must have taken a lot of courage for you to post your feelings on the subject.  I am glad that Dr. Phil's show drew attention to the fact that it is not only women who are judged on looks.  I feel for your situation, and can sympathize to some extent.  My advice to you would be to encourage you to lose weight- not only because it will increase your chances of meeting someone, but because of the numerous health issues you are going to have as a result of being overweight at such a young age.

Men and women are initially drawn to people based on looks.  It is a fact, and anyone who denies it is either in denial or is too attractive to have ever been rejected based on their looks.  Once you make the outside look better, you will increase your chances of  meeting someone who can then get to know you for everything else you have to offer.  I suspect from your post that you are intelligent and quite warm, and would have a lot to offer a girl.   Looks are part of the package, though, and you need to come to terms with that.  The better you take care of yourself, the better equipped you will be to enter a relationship.  Additionally, as you start to lose weight, you will likely develop more confidence which will in turn help you approach women with greater ease.  I, too, have been rejected throughout my life based on my looks.  I am not facially attractive, but have always tried to maintain myself from the neck down in order to feel better about myself.  I don't attract a lot of men, but the few I do attract are not superficial men wrapped up in obtaining "arm candy".  My current boyfriend says he fell for me because of my great sense of humor and ability to have intellectually stimulating conversation. 

Remember- no one stays beautiful forever.  Looks do fade (despite all the modern day surgical conveniences), and the most important part of meeting a mate is having other qualities to offer.  Best of luck to you!
 
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May 31, 2006, 5:10 pm PDT

you don't deserve that

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Pretty or ugly  does matter. The thinner or more attractive you are, the nicer people are to you. The more they go out of their way to be nice or hold a door open for you. Have  had it happen many times that a man will hold the door open for a younger, more attractive female and let it slam in my face.  Jobs and how your boss treats you does depend on how attractive you are. If you are not among the golden crew. You are ignored untill they need you to work hours that they can get no one else to work. And you have to work at least twice as hard as someone who is Pretty, nor do you get raises or the vacation days you ask for. And it gets worse if you are single, female and not pretty. You are ignored or just a work horse. I had decided early when I was a teen, that I would not have children unless I was married. Well marrage never happend, no children and my sister who has the white picket fence life is worried that she will have to care for me in my old age or pay for my funeral.That comment was made on the same weekend we buried our mother.   Oh and she blames me for her not being able to enjoy a desert or a candy bar.  she is ashamed of being seen with me.   

Being overweight and not attractive, people (total strangers male and female) and they feel like it is  ok to  make comments in public that are ment to hurt you. Liveing in a beach community, I can not go to the beach or a swimming pool without hearing the usual beached whale comments. It gets so bad sometimes, you pray that they don't notice you. And by the way.. you older single men that chase the pretty young ones. When the going gets tough, the pretty ones will run to someone else. And here we sit, the rejects, the last chosen or never chosen. One half of a team that will probably never have a mate. And the holidays are always family oriented or couple oriented. it hurts.. it hurts horribly to know that even though You are a good person, faithful, honest, hard working, that no one wants you, because you are not pretty, not thin, not able to afford the personal upkeep like something slightly stylish to go out in that did not look like it came off the $ 5.00 rack at wal- mart, hair dyed and cut and money to go to do things to meet others.  

I could kick your sister's butt.  I have a sister who is grossly over weight and I still love her.  She has been made to be the black sheep of the family and I hate that.  I refuse to talk about like somehow she deserves the life she has.  I see her as having been through hell and back.  She'd give any of her sisters the shirt off her back if she could.  She would not allow any of us to live on the streets.  She has some character traits that can be hard to live with, but don't we all?  Her and I have had long discussions when I lived with her.  She's been hurt by so many in our family, but then again that is not a hard thing with my family.  My mother brought us up pitting one against another.  I don't think she did it on purpose, she just was acting from what she knew in life.  It was a way to control us, get attention, keep life exciting, to keep the secrets, or whatever.
 
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May 31, 2006, 5:14 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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I was absolutely disgusted with the first woman on this show. I did not see this show on the original air date, I did however see it on May 30th at 9 pm in my area. 

As I sat watching this show with my daughter next to me I wanted to cry for Victoria. How her mother could ever look at her and think about her as she does and not love her for who she is regaurdless of her looks. I just wanted to jump through my television and punch that lady out. People like that should not have kids. No  one is perfect and if that lady thinks she is someone lied to her!!!! She is worse then any mother I could ever imagine. 

My daughter is almost  3 years old and has a weight problem but it's health wise, not because she eats all the time. She has medical issues that I have been on top of since they came about. I have never once looked at her like she was fat nor have I ever said that to her. I love her more then anything in this world and would never ever treat my daughter as that so called mother has done to her daughter. 

Absolutely disgusting 

i agree with u that show made me mad i really feel for victoria having such a shallow mom like that i think that little girl is beautiful!and i was appalled at the no birthday thing i mean i could have understood if she didnt have the money to or had regiligious reasons but to give one child a party and not her sister !is wrong ive been thinking about it since i saw just the previews !how can a person not love there own child im a mommy of 2 small children myself and couldnt imagine treating one better than the other i pray that she will see the error of her ways and see how truely precious that little girl is !so if your reading this please consider noones perfect no not even u !and u should give that girl a make up party for the one or ones shes missed !and tell her u love her!
 
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May 31, 2006, 5:16 pm PDT

Debi

I was totally shocked on the way Debi treated her precious children.  I just watched in amazement as Debi placed the blame on Victoria (who is ONLY 7).  I am a Mom of 2 wonderful children.  I just want to say to Debi..."Children are GIFTS!!!"  We were worried about birth defects with both our children (spinal problems run in the family).  We talked with our Dr and asked to see a specialists with both pregnancies.  At one point, the Dr asked if something was wrong with the baby, would we want to terminate the pregnancy.  Immediately, we both said NO.  We just wanted to be prepared emotionally and keep our family informed.  Victoria did not ask for her disease, but she lives with it everyday, 24/7.  She deserves a lot better.  Bring her to my house, I'll let her go swimming.  I'll take her places with me and my family.  And we will stand proud for her beside us.  Debi doesn't know what she is missing.  She has 2 children, not 1.  And both girls are hurting from her behavior.  Victoria might love to have her nails painted and hair done.  Victoria needs to have the opportunuty to find herself and be able to express herself.  Debi is taking that from her.  Debi is also taking away from Hunter.  She will grow up to think she always has to be the best and might even be afraid to fail.  BOTH girls need to know no matter what ,they are loved and there is always some one to come home to.  Debi needs to get a clue and change her lifestyle and her thinking, otherwise, her children are going to suffer. 
 

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May 31, 2006, 5:38 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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 I think it must have taken a lot of courage for you to post your feelings on the subject.  I am glad that Dr. Phil's show drew attention to the fact that it is not only women who are judged on looks.  I feel for your situation, and can sympathize to some extent.  My advice to you would be to encourage you to lose weight- not only because it will increase your chances of meeting someone, but because of the numerous health issues you are going to have as a result of being overweight at such a young age.

Men and women are initially drawn to people based on looks.  It is a fact, and anyone who denies it is either in denial or is too attractive to have ever been rejected based on their looks.  Once you make the outside look better, you will increase your chances of  meeting someone who can then get to know you for everything else you have to offer.  I suspect from your post that you are intelligent and quite warm, and would have a lot to offer a girl.   Looks are part of the package, though, and you need to come to terms with that.  The better you take care of yourself, the better equipped you will be to enter a relationship.  Additionally, as you start to lose weight, you will likely develop more confidence which will in turn help you approach women with greater ease.  I, too, have been rejected throughout my life based on my looks.  I am not facially attractive, but have always tried to maintain myself from the neck down in order to feel better about myself.  I don't attract a lot of men, but the few I do attract are not superficial men wrapped up in obtaining "arm candy".  My current boyfriend says he fell for me because of my great sense of humor and ability to have intellectually stimulating conversation. 

Remember- no one stays beautiful forever.  Looks do fade (despite all the modern day surgical conveniences), and the most important part of meeting a mate is having other qualities to offer.  Best of luck to you!
   I am not telling you to lose weight. I understand what it is like to have absolutely no motavation for getting up in the morning, nevermind losing the only comfort you have that never abandons. I do however, know how much better you will feel if you start to excercise. Who cares about LOOKING better, what about FEELING better?! Although it is pretty hard for the first times and to get into a routiene, it is well worth it when you start to notice your own strength or feel the power in your body. The endorphins from working out will cheer you up and you will become more healthy and happy. It sounds cheesy, and I personally hate working out (but I do it anyway) but once you get out of the gym and you are exhausted and sweaty (gross yet sooo satisfying!) you will feel so much better. I promise. ANd you may even meet some people in the same situation as yourself, trying to become healthy, and you can start your own little group! You can encourage each other etc. People with common goals make fast friends.
  I respect you for having to deal with such a difficult struggle in life; I know that since you realize that there are many things you yourself can do to change your situation, you are strong enough to push for your own betterment.   Do it for youself. Do it for your body.   I have the utmost faith in you, it sounds rediculous as I have never met you, but I really truely do. PUSH YOURSELF!   :-)   <3 Ashley
 
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May 31, 2006, 5:48 pm PDT

Ugly/Pretty....I'm Astonished!

I watched the segment about Debi and her daughters, Hunter and Victoria, and I am absolutely astonished!!  I realize that Dr. Phil did his best to explain to Debi how she was damaging her children with her complete ignorance, but I just don't think she truly gets it.   His words just didn't seem to sink in.  He may as well have been talking to a 2 yr. old!  

I think Victoria is a beautiful child and that Debi simply does not deserve such a child.    

I know from experience just how painful it is to be judged by your own parent and, quite honestly, if Debi can't do a better job with Victoria than she's doing now, then she needs to hand her over to someone who can love her UNCONDITIONALLY as she so deserves.  

As far as Debi, personally, goes.....well, maybe it's best that I just say nothing.  I feel very sad for her.  

   

 
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May 31, 2006, 6:28 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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I I am a vigorous 85 year old woman who exercises and walks easily (not stooped) and certainly seems to  have a somewhat wrinkled face......I find that people DO NOT look into my eyes when I address them nor look at them without talking....as Jay and others saw this happening on his Pretty/Ugly show (today's repeat)....I was struck as I begin to find the exact same thing happening with being OLD.  The elderly are really ignored !!!
iIt is  interesting, but NOT A GOOD FEELING
.Could you address this topic at another time....perhaps weave it into some other "predjudice " program.

I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA.  THERE IS DEFINITELY PREJUDICE, ESPECIALLY FROM THE YOUNG TO THE OLD.  IT IS AS THOUGH:  HEY, YOU HAVE LIVED YOUR LIFE AND YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT ANYWAY.  WE HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS - JUST ASK US!!  I AM 69 YEARS OF AGE, NOWHERE NEAR YOUR 85 YEARS, BUT I HAVE BEEN TREATED THAT WAY FOR YEARS ALREADY.  YOU COULD SURELY GIVE ME ADVICE AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO HEAR ANY YOU HAD TO GIVE.  BUT NO ONE YOUNGER THAN I WANTS TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT IT.  IN FACT, THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR ME TALK ABOUT MUCH OF ANYTHING.  I AM AMAZED THAT MY OWN CHILDREN THINK THEY "HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER"  WHILE THEY STILL HAVE SO MUCH TO LEARN.    I HOPE THERE WILL BE A SHOW ON THIS TOPIC ONE DAY.  YOU SHOULD BE ON THE DR PHIL SHOW YOURSELF, LADY - YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION TO ME AND I KNOW YOU WOULD BE TO M ANY OTHERS. 

 
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May 31, 2006, 6:43 pm PDT

pretty/ugly show with Debi

Debi is a disgrace as a mother. That poor child doesn't deserve to be treated that way. Debi made me sick. Her daughter overeats to make herslf feel better because her mother is downright abusive. Her daughter will grow up hating herself because she has no self esteem. That child doesn't stand a chance with a bitch like that as her mother.
 
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