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Created on : Friday, September 09, 2005, 03:43:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/16/05) How important do you think looks really are? And, do you think attractive people get treated better in society? Dr. Phil's son, Jay, goes out in  disguise to see if people really do judge a book by its cover. You won't believe the results, nor the response that surprised him the most! Plus, Debi favors her older daughter because she’s "beautiful" and treats her youngest like "dirt" because she's "fat and unattractive." Can Dr. Phil help her love both girls equally? And, Michelle only lets her daughter play with pretty kids on the playground because she equates beauty with success in life. Will she learn to re-evaluate her standards? Tell us your thoughts on today's show.

 

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September 18, 2005, 11:13 am PDT

Some Food for Thought

I was horrified when I watched the show Friday and saw the way the mother treated Victoria.  In my opinion that is abuse.  It literally made me sick.  The show got me to thinking about appearances.  I thought that Jay looked like a weirdo and that is why people didn't respond to him.  It wasn't that he wasn't beautiful, but rather that you were worried a little about your safety while being around him.  I consider myself to care for all people.  I never choose friends based on appearances, however, I realized that I do make choices based on people's successes and failures.  For example, I live in a nice, upper middle class neighborhood.  I chose this neighborhood because other people keep up their yards, and keep things nice.  (We do not have old junky cars around etc.) I wanted my kids to go to the good school here because I wanted them to be around other kids that are succeeding.  (Kids here score well above the national average in national test etc.)  I believe that my kids will establish patterns of success in their lives from watching others do the same. I teach school in an inner city urban area, and comute to work.  I love helping kids that are less fortunate, but I don't choose inner city, urban schools for my kids. I would never tell my children to pick friends based on looks or money, etc., but in a way I have made choices based on what looks like appearances.  I do think appearances represent success to some extent.  People that succeed in life dress and behave successfully.  You don't have to be beautiful, but you do have to care for yourself and your appearance.
 
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September 18, 2005, 1:02 pm PDT

"You did look a little perverted..."

Dr. Phil,  

I loved 98.8% of your show about appearance.  I agree that beauty is only skin deep, but unfortunately in our society the 'beautiful' ones seem to gain more economically.   

  

I did have to post a message though, because I'm sure you'll read it. ;)  I was so mad at you when you said your son did look a little perverted when he had the 'ugly' body image.   

  

Your entire point of the "Pretty/Ugly" episode was to get superficial people to look past looks: to not judge books  by their covers.  You made a judgement that because your son's 'costume' was of a fat, hairy, pimple induced gentleman shopping in a bathing suit store (for his girlfriend?) made him look perverted. 

  

You made yourself look very superficial in the last 5 minutes of the show.  The fact that you said what you said about your son's 'other' appearance really miffed me and made me look at you the same way I looked at Victoria's superficial mother. 

  

In no way will I ever stop watching you because I love what you do, but I had to let you know that I was not very happy with your 'perverted' comment. 

  

Sincerely, 

  

Sarah Elizabeth 

 
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September 18, 2005, 1:11 pm PDT

Not What You Want to Hear

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DEFINE HOMELY.

You asked me to define homely. Well...that's sort of hard to do. I guess I could give you a detailed description of myself. Or I could tell you what I think makes another person homely. All of which would be a waste of time. I think we all, if we are truly honest, know what an ugly person looks like.  

  

Really, I would like the people that mistreat, reject or ignore me to give what their definition of homely is. That would make more sense. I will tell you what being homely can mean: 

  

It means never in  all your life being asked out on a date.  

  

Never invited to a party, wedding, baby shower or really any social gathering-even by family members or "friends". 

  

If you say something super intelligent to an aquaintance, they will probably give you a look like they might have if their dog went to the piano one day and played Mozart. 

  

Out shopping and seeing someone that attends your church. You speak a friendly "hello" and not only do they not do the same, but they look like they wish the ground would open beneath their feet, and then they "scurry off". 

  

Speaking of christians, and yes I am one, they can be the worst! They will sometimes lower themselves to speak to you in church. More or less, just a simple greeting. They give you a beatific smile, as if they know they are doing God's will by condescending to speak to Homely-What's Her Name?-Sister-so-in-so. Well, christian charity is a beautiful thing! 

  

Seriously, I really believe that by being homely I have gained insight into people that others probably don't have. Speaking from an intellectual point of view, some of the behavior I encounter is sort of interesting. 

  

And if I look at the way they act in a spiritual light, as  I often do, it just brings me closer to the Lord Jesus. He actually loves and accepts us no matter what we look like.  

  

I can't judge those people that don't accept me. I have to say that if I were in their shoes I would probably do the same thing. The big thing for me, and really anyone in a similar situation, is learning how to deal with it all. 

  


 

 

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September 18, 2005, 1:26 pm PDT

Beauty is fleeting; character is forever

I wonder if that mother realizes that she and her 'favored' daughter may be only one accident or one disease away from their superficial looks?  How would she feel on the receiving end of her type of cruelty?  For most of my life, I've been told I was an attractive person.  But what haunts me even now (I'm 54) is the time my mother told me I would never be beautiful, but I was striking.  Like the doc says, it takes 1500 strokes to combat one negative comment from someone important to you.  It still hurts.  I think that all children should feel that at least to one person in the world, they will always be beautiful, and that is their mother.
 
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September 18, 2005, 3:00 pm PDT

Sad but true

The mother that discriminated against her daughter INFURIATED me! I was LITERALLY sobbing for that little girl! This story totally broke my heart. I am a mother and I would NEVER EVER treat my son differently because of his appearance. Nothing hurts more than when a parent betrays or treats you differently. I think I would use food for comfort too if my mom treated me that way!! This woman needs serious help! 

  

It is so true that attractiveness plays a HUGE role in how we are treated. I have always been told I was a pretty girl and I have the most amazing eyes. People have always been generally nice to me and I never had a problem getting a boyfriend. In fact it annoyes me whenever I walk into a store  the clerk keeps hounding me and asking if I need help! However after high school I got majorly depressed and put on 20 lbs. from ages 18-21. Since I am only 5'4", 20 extra lbs is devastating. I didn't get "fat" I just looked a little chubby. Guys still liked me but I noticed I got hit on way more after I dropped 30 lbs in 9 months after deciding I hated the 20 lbs I gained over the course of 3 years. A friend of mine also confessed to me that she felt "ugly" and "fat" whenever she was around me. This made me sad cause I thought she was pretty. And I have always had a hard time making friends with other women.I also know how it feels to be some guys arm candy. It's too bad society puts such a huge emphasis on beauty. I will teach my son to always place value on the persons soul and not their looks...those fade anyways!! 

 
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September 18, 2005, 3:33 pm PDT

parents 2 blame

growing up, my parents always made me feel inferior by comparing me to the better-looking cousins (i was an only child) but i am now 60 yrs old and have gotten over it (well, sort of). and as for the segment on Jay with "ugly" make-up.... he's so GORGEOUS, the make-up only made him look like a "regular" guy.
 

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September 18, 2005, 3:59 pm PDT

9?16 pretty/ugly

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Oh my!Please accept my condolences on the sudden death of your loving daughter.I'm sure she was a beautiful person. 

Please tell us a little about her. 

  

  

  

  

I am so sorry about your daughter. I actually gasped out loud when I read the ending to your story. The writer above me asked you to tell us about her- when you come back to the message board maybe you'll feel you can do that. It doesn't help much, but I've had my child misdiagnosed and she is thin - but the doctors were just wrong.Sometimes they see what they think they see and they can't get past their assumptions.
 
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September 18, 2005, 5:33 pm PDT

Thanks Jay

I am sure proud of you doing this assignment I know it must have been humilating but thank goodness you did and people had there eyes open , when I was in high school I never was asked to dance at the dances when I went with the girls and never had a date my whole high school year.I wasn't ugly just real plain no one ever gave me a second look . Maybe it was a good thing because now when I'm out I say hi to everyone I pass on the street when I am out walking because I maybe the only person they talk to that day and I am only happy to do it. Keep kicking but Jay your good at it.Also thanks for introducing us to you new lady you make an awsome couple. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shamy
 
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September 18, 2005, 6:07 pm PDT

Remember the Elephant Man

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Ugly verses beauty is a definite problem in our society...Jay was way off on this one...He should never have tried to play the part of an"ugly" person...He came off wrong...I know he is a good person, but he actually made hisself look pretty bad(pun intended)...He was so confident of his looks and I am sure there are folks out there who think he is not attractive...Beauty is in the eye of the beholder(s).........Jay needs to concentrate on his image and how it is coming off to others.....Not real good I am afraid.....There are many unatrractive people, but some can open their mouths and you instantly like them....Some good looking people can open their mouths and it is an instant."turn off".........(food for thought)

I would have to agree with Jay on this one.  It's certainly true that some "good looking" people open their mouths and you get turned off, but it is also true that if someone is ugly, dirty looking and disheveled, people definitely tend to treat them differently.  A good example of this is the elephant man.   

 
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September 18, 2005, 6:11 pm PDT

ARE YOU FOR REAL?

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You asked me to define homely. Well...that's sort of hard to do. I guess I could give you a detailed description of myself. Or I could tell you what I think makes another person homely. All of which would be a waste of time. I think we all, if we are truly honest, know what an ugly person looks like.  

  

Really, I would like the people that mistreat, reject or ignore me to give what their definition of homely is. That would make more sense. I will tell you what being homely can mean: 

  

It means never in  all your life being asked out on a date.  

  

Never invited to a party, wedding, baby shower or really any social gathering-even by family members or "friends". 

  

If you say something super intelligent to an aquaintance, they will probably give you a look like they might have if their dog went to the piano one day and played Mozart. 

  

Out shopping and seeing someone that attends your church. You speak a friendly "hello" and not only do they not do the same, but they look like they wish the ground would open beneath their feet, and then they "scurry off". 

  

Speaking of christians, and yes I am one, they can be the worst! They will sometimes lower themselves to speak to you in church. More or less, just a simple greeting. They give you a beatific smile, as if they know they are doing God's will by condescending to speak to Homely-What's Her Name?-Sister-so-in-so. Well, christian charity is a beautiful thing! 

  

Seriously, I really believe that by being homely I have gained insight into people that others probably don't have. Speaking from an intellectual point of view, some of the behavior I encounter is sort of interesting. 

  

And if I look at the way they act in a spiritual light, as  I often do, it just brings me closer to the Lord Jesus. He actually loves and accepts us no matter what we look like.  

  

I can't judge those people that don't accept me. I have to say that if I were in their shoes I would probably do the same thing. The big thing for me, and really anyone in a similar situation, is learning how to deal with it all. 

  


 

THE WAY YOU LAY IT OUT, IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH YOU'RE A MONSTER ... 

 

AND I DOUBT THAT! 

 
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