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(Original Air Date: 09/16/05) How important do you think looks really are? And, do you think attractive people get treated better in society? Dr. Phil's son, Jay, goes out in  disguise to see if people really do judge a book by its cover. You won't believe the results, nor the response that surprised him the most! Plus, Debi favors her older daughter because she’s "beautiful" and treats her youngest like "dirt" because she's "fat and unattractive." Can Dr. Phil help her love both girls equally? And, Michelle only lets her daughter play with pretty kids on the playground because she equates beauty with success in life. Will she learn to re-evaluate her standards? Tell us your thoughts on today's show.

 

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May 30, 2006, 10:28 pm PDT

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     I am so disgusted by that woman Debi today. She shouldn't be allowed to have children! I can't believe she doesn't realize how totally screwed up her daughters will be because of her warped and hateful perspective of the world. 

  

     I grew up in a similar situation, although not quite so extreme. My sister was a little chubby and I was thin, so my mother liked me better. She would never admit to it the way this lady did, but we both knew it was true. She would constantly tell my sister she was fat and had to lose weight, and she would say it with such disgust in her voice, often in front of other people just to add to the humiliation. maybe she thought embarrassment would incite action. I don't know . But it didn't do either of us any good. 

  

     My sister heard so often that she was fat ( which she wasn't ) that she internalized the message and began to believe she was overweight. So now she is overweight. She is also no longer speaking to my mother, because she is exhausted by the constant criticism, and doesn't want her children exposed to it. As a result, my mother hasn't seen her daughter and her two grandsons for over three years now, and they are probably the better for it. 

  

     Even though I was her favorite, my mom's judgemental attitude had a far worse impact on me. Growing up with her contempt toward my sister taught me at an early age that looks are all that matters, at least according to my mother, and that I had to be thin to be loved. As a result, I struggled with anorexia, bulemia, depression, low self-esteem and suicidal tendencies for more than a decade. I basically wasted my youth consumed by my appearance, an obession that is so superficial and completely irrelevant to anything worthwhile in this life. I cry when I think of all the years I could have been exploring my talents, making friends, volunteering and learning how to make the world a better place, but instead, I spent all my energy desperately clinging to transient beauty. I believed that if I couldn't be the perfect package, I had no business being alive. And I wasn't even very pretty, so it was a hopeless endeavor from the start. I just have to shake my head. It's only though the grace of God that I survived and came out the other end a decent person. It took me a long time and a lot of hard work to redefine my views of what really matters in life. 

  

     Life is meant to be lived looking outward, using our gifts to make others happy, not focussed on our own reflections. No one else cares how we look, only how we make them feel about themselves. Debi feels embarrassed by her daughter because she believes everyone will judge her the way she judges everyone else. Lucky for you, Honey, the whole world isn't as shallow as you are. And those people who are, are too clueless to matter. Victoria is such a sweet, precious, vulnerable little girl, and you are destroying her! And your other daughter, your "little Princess", is on her way to becoming a little monster if you don't teach her some compassion. Or worse, she may end up going through something like what I did, hating herself and struggling to live up to her mother's impossible expectations. 

  

     I will pray for your girls. I will pray that God helps them to see beyond your superficial values, or lack of values, and shows them each their own unique gifts and inner-beauty. I will also pray for you, because if you don't change the person you are, Lady, Hell is too good a place for you. 

  

  

  

      

  

 
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May 30, 2006, 10:32 pm PDT

PRETTY UGLY IS RIGHT

Mom must not realize how ugly she looked sitting up there talking about her child that way. Shame on you.. I hope you read this. I have a son with Autism. He has a eating problem and we are doing everything we know to do to help him. He is not fat .. just chunky and for Godsake I would never say that any of my children are ugly. I am so not ashamed of any of my children expecially not him. Even when he kicked his clothes off in the department store, or hollers out things that make no sense, or when he flaps or spins or blows. You should be ashamed to look in the mirror at your own self. You child is a part of you lady.. a part of your heart. Something that was gifted to you, and you abuse your privelage of being a mother like that. The only part about this show that was good is when Dr. Phil said you need help and you said you were willing to accept it. 

Geesh! 

 
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May 30, 2006, 10:35 pm PDT

You're Ok! Thin is better than fat!

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I have always been tall and thin. I have also been judged because of it and attacked because of it. From women in particular. I don't believe it is intentional, however, some people seem to feel free to actually say, and I quote " I hate you because you can eat whatever you want and not gain weight."  "Hate me?"I am always blown away but will never retort, "I hate you because you can eat, put on a few pounds and look normal."  They have no idea how much I try to put on weight. It has been a life struggle. When I was a child my parents tried giving me medicine that would increase my appetite so I could put on a few pounds, with my metabolism it does NOT work. I have actually had parents of friends once upon a time in high school call my parents concerned that I have an eating disorder. I have always been, about average in HS 20 lbs under what my ideal weight for my height is.  I am 5'8" in HS was 100lbs at 37 am now 120lbs. (Not an inch of weight goes to my arms or legs) Would it have ever been acceptable now or then for my Mother or me as a Mother to call another parent and tell them, " your daughter is 15-20 lbs overweight you should be concerned." NO! 

  

I wouldn't hurt someone that way. It just seems that because I am thin, then it is okay. You would not believe the things people say to me, "you have such skinny arms/legs" ( Is that a compliment? If it is I guess don't get it.) You are so bonny, you need to eat more girl put a little meat on your bones. Shoot, my Aunt's nickname for me is "Bones" let see, it's been Skinny Minny, Olive Oil, Daddy Long legs, chicken legs etc... the latest was my neighbor talking to our tween kids saying boys don't like skinny girls and my daughter looked directly at me and the neighbor was like "OOPS" "What if I said boys don't like overweight girls". she would have been totally offended she is full figured but because I am thin I am not supposed to be offended? I do not like my body image anymore then some one on the opposite side of the spectrum likes there's.  

  

My mother always told me that women will not like me initially because I was tall and thin. She is 5'2" and a full figured woman. I don't know, maybe I let that jade my opinion or maybe not, but through life experience I have found that to be true and I think it is so unfair. I do my best to be a good and honest person. I do not say or do anything intentionally to cause any pain to anyone, I go out of my way not to, and internalize things because it's easier for me to carry then to put it on anyone else.  

  

I guess my point is beauty is relevant to each individual. It should not be an external thing, all of that is fleeting. Gravity will affect it all and in the end what we are left with is who we are. What really matter is who a person is inside. That is what lasts. That is what truly counts.  

  

  

I was so skinny until I got about 40, that I was called many of the names you were and I felt I was just too thin.  Then, the weight has slowly came on, and now I should loose 15 pounds and I have a hard time doing it.  When people say they "hate you" for being so skinny, they really mean they are jealous of you.  Most people really would LOVE to eat what they want and not gain, as I always did up to age 40.  My grandparents would tell me I was too skinny when I was a kid and that hurt me.  I had a friend that made a "skinny" poem up about me in school.   

  

But NOW, I can see, thin is better than fat!!  You can move around better, look better in your clothes, and probably be healthier than most heavy people.  I wish I could once again be thin, as long as I was healthy.  I strive to be thin again.    

  

If you've found people don't like you, it's probably because of your "insecurities", not because of your looks.  You need some self-worth and confidence.  You are what God made you and you are just fine!!!  Look around you!  So many have major weight problems that may kill them, and you are a fit, slim man who can do anything you choose to do!  Choose to be happy with yourself! 

 
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May 30, 2006, 10:36 pm PDT

Me too

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Mom must not realize how ugly she looked sitting up there talking about her child that way. Shame on you.. I hope you read this. I have a son with Autism. He has a eating problem and we are doing everything we know to do to help him. He is not fat .. just chunky and for Godsake I would never say that any of my children are ugly. I am so not ashamed of any of my children expecially not him. Even when he kicked his clothes off in the department store, or hollers out things that make no sense, or when he flaps or spins or blows. You should be ashamed to look in the mirror at your own self. You child is a part of you lady.. a part of your heart. Something that was gifted to you, and you abuse your privelage of being a mother like that. The only part about this show that was good is when Dr. Phil said you need help and you said you were willing to accept it. 

Geesh! 

I also have a son with Autism and the mothers on todays show made me sick. It just reminds me why I am my sons' mom and not those idiots.
 
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May 30, 2006, 10:43 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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I have always been tall and thin. I have also been judged because of it and attacked because of it. From women in particular. I don't believe it is intentional, however, some people seem to feel free to actually say, and I quote " I hate you because you can eat whatever you want and not gain weight."  "Hate me?"I am always blown away but will never retort, "I hate you because you can eat, put on a few pounds and look normal."  They have no idea how much I try to put on weight. It has been a life struggle. When I was a child my parents tried giving me medicine that would increase my appetite so I could put on a few pounds, with my metabolism it does NOT work. I have actually had parents of friends once upon a time in high school call my parents concerned that I have an eating disorder. I have always been, about average in HS 20 lbs under what my ideal weight for my height is.  I am 5'8" in HS was 100lbs at 37 am now 120lbs. (Not an inch of weight goes to my arms or legs) Would it have ever been acceptable now or then for my Mother or me as a Mother to call another parent and tell them, " your daughter is 15-20 lbs overweight you should be concerned." NO! 

  

I wouldn't hurt someone that way. It just seems that because I am thin, then it is okay. You would not believe the things people say to me, "you have such skinny arms/legs" ( Is that a compliment? If it is I guess don't get it.) You are so bonny, you need to eat more girl put a little meat on your bones. Shoot, my Aunt's nickname for me is "Bones" let see, it's been Skinny Minny, Olive Oil, Daddy Long legs, chicken legs etc... the latest was my neighbor talking to our tween kids saying boys don't like skinny girls and my daughter looked directly at me and the neighbor was like "OOPS" "What if I said boys don't like overweight girls". she would have been totally offended she is full figured but because I am thin I am not supposed to be offended? I do not like my body image anymore then some one on the opposite side of the spectrum likes there's.  

  

My mother always told me that women will not like me initially because I was tall and thin. She is 5'2" and a full figured woman. I don't know, maybe I let that jade my opinion or maybe not, but through life experience I have found that to be true and I think it is so unfair. I do my best to be a good and honest person. I do not say or do anything intentionally to cause any pain to anyone, I go out of my way not to, and internalize things because it's easier for me to carry then to put it on anyone else.  

  

I guess my point is beauty is relevant to each individual. It should not be an external thing, all of that is fleeting. Gravity will affect it all and in the end what we are left with is who we are. What really matter is who a person is inside. That is what lasts. That is what truly counts.  

  

  

sorry, I re-read your story and realized you are a lady, not a man.  That's even better!!  Men like tall thin ladies!  Really!!  Your Mom may have been jealous.  That happens sometimes in a Mom/Daughter relationship.  You hold your head high and chest out and be proud!!!
 
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May 30, 2006, 10:51 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF WHAT DR. PHIL AND HIS SON SAY BUT I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OVERWEIHGT MOST OF MY LIFE. BUT I HAVE THE CONFIDIENCE THAT I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT. ANY JOB THAT I HAVE EVER APPLIED FOR I HAVE GOTTEN EXCEPT ONE. RIGHT I HAVE MY OWN BUSINESS I DONT SEE TOO MANY PEOPLE BECAUSE MY BUS. IS AT HOME. I GUESS I HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE SUPPORT OF MY FAMILY THAT I NEVER FELT TTOO BAD ABOUT MY WEIGHT. ALL MY AUNTS AND GRANDPARENTS HAVE ALWAYS TOLD I AM A BEAUTTY THAT I NEVER NOTICED THE OTHER STUFF. NOW THAT I HAVE GOTTEN OLDER THOUGH I AM TRYING TO LOSE THE WEIGHT FOR MY CHILDREN. I WANT TO BE AROUND FOR THEM FOR A LONG TIME.   
I think Dr. phil is right. I have been overweight all my life too. I have always had trouble making and keeping friends. As I got older it was harder to get the jobs I wanted. I never had the family support, I was put on different diets, mostly weight watchers, since I was 12 years old. This always gave me a low self esteem, I always felt I was never good enough the way I was. If I came home complaining about someone giving me a hard time about my weight in school. i would be told by my mother 'what do you expect the way you look'.
 
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May 30, 2006, 11:09 pm PDT

pretty/ugly

This women Debi should be very blessed that the Lord gave her two daughters. There are so many people out there who would love to have her daughter as there own. One of these days Debi will reap what she has sown, with the way she has treated her daughter. I just hope that her daughters father shows her more love and effection then her so called mom has done. She really has no concept of the damage she is doing and has already done to her.   

I have an ex sister-in-law who does the same thing with her kids, she has 3 children with my brother and 2 from her second ex husband but only has custody of my neice, and i have custody of her 2 boys. She has raised her to be-little people, talk hateful to over weight people, and for her to tell anyone and everyone that she knows she is beautiful. She says she is a pimp.   

My neice came and lived with me for several months and i changed her attitude real quick, she thought things where gonna be the same here as they were back in vegas. She got a rude awakening. After several months of being here with us, her mom wanted her to come back to vegas so her mom wouldnt go to jail, she could use her as an excuse to not go.   

what im trying to say is that children are a wonderful gift from God and he gave them to us on loan, we are to love them, take care of them and treat all of them with respect and dignity.  

 
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May 30, 2006, 11:11 pm PDT

My personal frustration

For 20 years, I weighed twice the healthy weight for my height. I was generally jovial and believed that I was smart. I made friends and kept them. However, over the past two years, I have released 132 pounds, nearly half of my top weight of 265. I am frustrated by the difference in other people's perception of me. I am treated with kindnesses that I had never known existed. Doors are held open, eye contact is made, and smiles are offered. The anger I feel is deep and hot. I always knew that the world could be less than welcoming to me, but the extent of the prejudice and cruelty which I am now painfully aware of, is devestating. I don't know what to do with the anger. I know that I will not return to my overeating compulsion, but I can't seem to find a constructive outlet for the frustration either.
 

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May 30, 2006, 11:19 pm PDT

I just wanted too scream!!

That mother who treated her duaghter's differently  just made me so angry.  How she could sit up there and try to justify her actions toward that precious child, is just mind boggling.  I just want to hug that little girl and tell her how special she is.  I ty to instill a postive body image in my five year old little girl.  She is very skinny but she knows that I love her no matter what!  Anyone who could judge a child is so shallow inside.  I so wanted Dr. Phil to slap her upside the head.  But I know he would never do such a thing.  But he was probably thinking it.
 
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May 30, 2006, 11:22 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

I am a mother of a 9 year old boy with the same skin disease as Debi's daughter had. It is called Vitiligo. My son's is alot more noticeable because he is mixed race so his skin is alot darker than her daughter. Debi does not deserve to be a mother of either of those girls!! She should be ashamed of herself. My son is stared at daily by both kids and adults by people as ignorant as Debi. Not one of them have ever had the guts to come up and ask about his desease all the do is whisper and smirk at him as he passes by. If ANYONE took a second to stop and talk to my son, first they would notice his amazing smile and then they would realize that he was a very smart little boy that is just that a LITTLE BOY. We didn't ask for this disease but we are also making the best of it. My son is extremely happy and I make sure every second of everyday that he knows how much I love him. I work the hours he is in school so I am home with him, after school we play basketball, football, or ride bikes together. He is the most important thing to me am I love him more than anything in life. I tell him daily that he is just a little different than anyone else and that it would be a boring world if we were all the same. I have no time or use for ignorant people like Debi. She should be ashamed of herself and both her girls should be sent to loving homes. It is an honer to be a parent. She doesn't deserve it.
 
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