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Topic : 05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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Created on : Friday, September 09, 2005, 03:43:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/16/05) How important do you think looks really are? And, do you think attractive people get treated better in society? Dr. Phil's son, Jay, goes out in  disguise to see if people really do judge a book by its cover. You won't believe the results, nor the response that surprised him the most! Plus, Debi favors her older daughter because she’s "beautiful" and treats her youngest like "dirt" because she's "fat and unattractive." Can Dr. Phil help her love both girls equally? And, Michelle only lets her daughter play with pretty kids on the playground because she equates beauty with success in life. Will she learn to re-evaluate her standards? Tell us your thoughts on today's show.

 

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June 1, 2006, 3:06 pm PDT

Jay's approach

I have to agree with all who said that Jay's approaching people and asking for a minute of their time was not a fair test.  If someone (anyone) approached me in a mall that way I would walk quickly the other way!  If you ever do this kind of experiment again I would also suggest that you ask for directions to a store or area.  Even if he looked like he did I would make an effort to answer his question.  However I do feel it isn't fair to send Jay out as himself because he is too recognizable, maybe this should be repeated with an unknown "nice looking" person who then dresses up as a "not so nice looking person".     

So let me know when you are coming to Denver and I will avoid all shopping malls!   

 
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June 1, 2006, 3:14 pm PDT

debi

  

 i was truly amazed at the things this woman was saying about her daughter. i am a mother and i would never tell my daughter she was fat or ugly what was she thinking?? in my opinon she's the one who is ugly.. she should be ashamed of her self i think dr.phil was to nice to her i would have reamed into her. 

 
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June 1, 2006, 3:40 pm PDT

oops!

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I don't know how this woman lives in this world today without knowing her behavior is warped. 

I was appalled watching this poor excuse for a mother! She should be horse whipped for treating that precious child the way she has. Dr. Phil you owe it to that child to call, Child Protective Services and give those little children to someone who will appreciate them for all their attributes, regardless of how they look. 

I'm afraid you have attributed my comment to the wrong show, or the wrong part of the show.  I was replying to the topic of 5/30: Pretty/Ugly where Jay and a female participant dressed up in "ugly" suits to show how they were treated differently because of their looks. I would still like to see a show that addressed positive models of what Dr. Phil was trying to highlight for his audience.
 
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June 1, 2006, 3:53 pm PDT

Empty

One day I counted up how old I was and I was almost 16. the last time I knew my age I was 7. I havnt had any birthday parties or any presants. now I an 35 and all I can feel from my childhood was emptyness and as an adult I still feel the same way.   

I was neglected but not to an extreme I got 5 pairs of pants and shirts a year plus a pair shoes to start school with. In the 5th grade I wish I would get clothes for christmas so I could be more presentable to my classmates. My dad was a proud man. he grew up in the great depression and fought in world war 2. He would never ask anyone for help or if he did get help, he gave what little he had in return. in the 80's helped my sisters friends would could not make it because of reaganomics. he was very kind but too way too proud.   

 
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June 1, 2006, 7:18 pm PDT

agree

i too have a disability thats has made me a NOT normal person, I have kyphosis a 80 degree angle (hump back)  im 41, male, i never had a real girl friend a i didnt think i looked that bad, but apperently i do. and for the past 25 years or so, i'v delt with isolation from a lot of people. girls would never want to be seen with me. i was always the 3rd weel on dates. So yes i have been treated so badly i wanted to die and it must of been 1000 times i thought death would be a lot easier than this crule sucky life. and to this day i feel like death would be fine with me But   prety Vs Ugly. no doubt pretty wins.
 
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June 1, 2006, 9:58 pm PDT

Answer to your question Teach in Texas

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 Furious:

I think the mom's ought to be taken away from the children.  Why tear up the children's home when it's the mother's issues?  I thought very highly of Victoria as well.  I have scars from my waist up from multiple surgeries: brain, ruptured appendix, ventrical shunt, kidney bags, etc.  I spent most of my childhood wearing t-shirts over my chest and stomach for fear of how bad I looked.  Fortunately, my mother was always supportive and assistive in this need for me.  Today, I have two nephews, 1 neice, and 6 second cousins all age 17 and younger.  My parents own a swimming pool and they love it when I come over and go swimming.  Today, that happens shirt off. 

I'm a special education teacher and see the visual challenges that my students face just from being seen in public.  Yet, they are constantly reminded how special they are and how much I love and enjoy working with them.  They are amazing.  Funny how kids learn to love their inner self/child when they have parents/adults who remind them how gorgious they are just for being a child of God. 

My only question to your wonderful post would be this: What does being married have to do with being great?  I'm a single 38 year old guy, who loves just being the best uncle he can be.  No, I didn't take that wrong, just was curious as to how you meant it.  Thanks for the post and your time.

Spec. Ed. Teach in Texas

You can be great and be single I agree with that.  I was turning it on "her"  belief that people are better and have more advantages if they are beautiful. If she thinks she is so great then why hasn't she achieved everything she said she ought to have because she thinks she is beautiful.  According to her she should have it all.  - According to her why wasn't her life perfect.  She was married and if beauty is everything and gives you more advantages then why did she need to be divorced.  That was more my point.  I was single for a very long time and happy.  Nothing wrong with being single.  I apologize - I didn't mean it the way it came across.  I was focusing on what she kept spouting off about how beauty is everything.     

  

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June 2, 2006, 4:52 am PDT

they certainly are NOT better

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You can be great and be single I agree with that.  I was turning it on "her"  belief that people are better and have more advantages if they are beautiful. If she thinks she is so great then why hasn't she achieved everything she said she ought to have because she thinks she is beautiful.  According to her she should have it all.  - According to her why wasn't her life perfect.  She was married and if beauty is everything and gives you more advantages then why did she need to be divorced.  That was more my point.  I was single for a very long time and happy.  Nothing wrong with being single.  I apologize - I didn't mean it the way it came across.  I was focusing on what she kept spouting off about how beauty is everything.     

  

Furious in Illinois 

  

Beautiful people may have more advantages in our shallow world, but they certainly are not better than other people.  As a matter of fact, a good number of them have an undeserved sense of entitlement (as that poor excuse for a mother does) and I have seen "beautiful" people treat others shabbily.   The people who I respect are kind, caring, and have multiple interests (not focused solely on themselves).They are intelligent, posess a good sense of humor, enjoy doing thing and going places, are loyal, responsible, and are willing to put time and effort into earning things (unlike the pouting beauty queen that manipulates shallow people into giving her what she wants).   

I have also known some very wonderful beautiful people in my lifetime, including a couple  of my closest friends, but I would swiftly kick anyone to the curb who  behaved as if  she was better and more entitled based solely on looks. 

 
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June 2, 2006, 7:29 am PDT

Pretty Ugly

I am one of those 'ugly' people, and yes we are treated differently.   Jay is one of the lucky ones.  He got to take off the make-up and things went back to normal for him.   The rest of us don't get to take off the make up and costumes.   Every standard society holds in high regard, I am lacking.  I have no breast's, crooked teeth,  big feet,  a curve in my spine,  and I am not white.  Lets see thats five strikes against me before I even walk out the door.   Why was I even born.  I think its a cruel joke to have to exist in this world.  I've had people bark at me when  out walking with my son, I walk in to stores and don't  waited on.   Most of the time I don't bother fixing myself up because it's like, "whats the point",  It doesn't matter what I think or feel about my self,  because its the rest of the world that says what goes.  Going out in public is extremely painfull.   I hate this world, I hate this life, suicide is constantly on my mind.   I hate my self so much.   I invested in braces for my teeth, but theres nothing I can do for my breasts'.  I don't have the finances for a total make over.   I was told that men need breast.   I lack everything that a women should have.  Some day I will free myself of this pain, someday some how....right now I am just waithing for my boys to grow up, cause I can't leave them now....  so for now its just one painfull day at a time.     

 
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June 2, 2006, 10:36 am PDT

I agree that ugly is treated worse

I notice that unattractive people are treated different, and usually badly. I guess I fit in to the in between catagory, so I am not speaking for myself, but from what I have seen. I keep trying to get my family and friends, to "look their best". I am sorry that things are this way, but they are, and it just seems to be a "human" defect. Alice
 
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June 2, 2006, 11:44 am PDT

Sad for insensitive mom

I have never responded to one of your shows, but watch every day. I could not believe the incredible insensitivity and cruelty of the mom , Debi, featured on your recent show. I was very  saddened to see the hurt and pain in little Victoria's face. I agree totally with Dr. Phil that the whole family needs a lot of interventional help and pray  that they follow through and get the help needed. Obviously the mother has many issues of her own and without  help will raise two very mixed up girls. I often wonder how people are either brave enough, or stupid enough to go on national television and air these things. I enjoy your show and would be interested in seeing a follow up on this show as I think the little girl is in danger if she is kept in such a dysfunctional mess.
 
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