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Topic : 09/19 "Afraid of My Mom"

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Created on : Friday, September 16, 2005, 03:59:15 pm
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Dr. Phil intervenes with a woman who's anger is out of control. Michelle calls herself a "raging lunatic,"  and says her family is falling apart because of it. When something sets her off, Michelle will go to the extreme: Following drivers on the road, screaming obscenities at her husband until he flees the house, and yelling at her daughters until they are physically sick and cowering in the closet. Michelle reveals her worst fear and Dr. Phil steps in to save this family. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 1, 2005, 5:08 pm PDT

crazy

My rommate and I had watched the episode with Michelle and were completly shocked. I honeslt believe that Michelle can truly change her way, and I assume she has. But with the comment she made about the metal pits I totally disagree with. 

 
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October 3, 2005, 5:36 am PDT

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I could not believe the things I heard this woman say to her children. What made me even more angry was that her husband sat there not saying a word. Not during the show unless spoken to, or to his wife while degrading her children and treating the like (expletive).  

Those children need to be removed from the home immediatly. That woman has no right to treat her children that way. I have seen people lose their children to Children services for much less things, and am appauled that no one has stepped into help these kids. 

These kids need to be taken away from the home and put into a loving environment and councelled. I fear for their future as adults, and most importantly when they become parents themselves.  

In my opinion this mother is beyond help. People like that do not change. She knows it wrong of her to do this to her kids, she was abused as well.  The damage has been done. 

 
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October 3, 2005, 11:15 am PDT

Michelle. . .

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 Hi there Jill how are you? Thank you for those kind words. Do you still have my email? If so please email me. I was going to ask you how your son is doing? And what your take on all the info on your message board was. Crazy huh? Let me know. Thanks. Michelle
Hey there sweetie. I put your e-mail address in the pocket of the shirt I was wearing that day, and of course it got washed. Please e-mail me at this address, JillianAndreatta@yahoo.com, . I would love to chat with you about this experience. Thanks, Jill 
 
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October 4, 2005, 10:29 pm PDT

Help me help my friend

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Well hello everyone. Thank you for the negative and positive comments regarding the show. Believe me I have taken both into consideration and wow is my mind filled with so many thoughts. Bad and GOOD. And to those of you who thought I would read this and take it out on my children, well I hope you did not get your hopes up but that did not happen. I would like to point out something on this website....go to be on the show then upcoming topics. At the very bottom of that page look at the angry mom link. This is for those who have the same problem as I do. I know there are some people that do know what I am going through and some who have been on the other side being the child. I was on the other side as well as being the child. Still you are all right... that gives me no reason to yell at my children. I could not agree with you more.  

  

I do want to throw out an invitation to everyone who would like to know the real me whether it be the angry me or the calm me. Like everyone says "there is a bigger picture her then what was just on the show". And this invitation is for those who are interested in knowing the bigger picture. You may reply to this post with your email. I will then email you with any answers you may want. If there are questions about the girls, you may ask those as well. But this is only for those who are genually concerned and not for those who need to bicker and brawl. Remember I am trying to end that.  

  

Michelle 

Michelle, 

When I saw the preview of your show, I immediately set up the VCR so I could tape it and show it to my brother.  I was hoping by taping the show, I'd find some helpful information.  His wife, my best friend from childhood, seems to have much in common with you.  Her kids are 6 and 3.  She's been emotionally abusing and neglecting them from infancy.  Her rage is so strong at times she doesn't even remember what she has done or said, which includes hitting her oldest and calling her 3 year old a bitch.  I love her and I miss my friend, but I can not stand anymore to watch her do this to her self, her kids, my brother or to me.  It seems that the closest ones to her are the biggest targets for her rage.  I've tried standing by her, standing up for her, threating to turn her in (which as a foster parent I am mandated to do), I've cried with her, I've yelled back at her, I've done everything I can think of except actually turning her in or dragging her to a treatment center.  This has to stop.  The kids do have emotional problems and developmental delays that are, in my opinion, a direct result of her behavior.  I saw the invitation you made for people to contact you.  Trust me, I have no intention to bicker and brawl with you, what I want is to learn from you.  As I mentioned, I am a foster parent and my husband and I are planning to adopt out of the system, so my knowledge of abuse is extensive, but I am not here to judge you.  Judgment won't alleviate child abuse, only empowering people to be a greater vision of themselves will do that.   I'd like to know how you and your family are doing since the show was taped and also if the treatment Dr. Phil has provided has been helpful?  I sincerely hope you're beginning to be who you want to be because I doubt who you were is what you wanted, I don't think anyone really wants to be as angry as you appeared to be on the show.  My sister-in-law has told me in non-angry moments that her rage and anger only make her more angry, I know she doesn't want to be that way, but it feeds on itself.  I hope you and your family are breaking the cycle.  Please email me to let me know how you are doing at aprilinheaven@yahoo.com 

  

Showers of blessings! 

April 

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:23 am PDT

mom should be afraid

Someone REALLY needs to set this Michelle mom straight....I would never dream of talking to my children like that...No matter how mad I got with them..That is totally unacceptable. Man would I like to confront that woman..I would dare her to talk to me like that, or follow me down the road and "TRY" to beat me.....What a loser.....Bring those BEAUTIFUL girls to my house..I will raise them like they need to be raised..With tons of love....
 
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October 9, 2005, 4:03 pm PDT

09/19 "Afraid of My Mom"

Is there anyone else who finds it questionable that this couple is still airing their dirty laundry on this message board?  Shouldn't their attention be focused on getting well and protecting those poor kids instead of this repeated rationalization and attempted justification of the abuse occurring under their roof?  We all make choices in our lives, the difference between you and I when it comes to our kids is that I choose not to cross that line.  And why can't anybody spell on this board? 

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:21 am PDT

A child is not the enemy

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about a 15 year-old keeping a baby.  The mother said she didn't want the child.  And for the parents to up and decide to give the little girl back, to the mom was wrong.  It's clear this woman didn't want children but she was forced to have them, at 15 and by her new husband.  I sure wish Dr. Phil had not cut off the mother and let her talk.  Some people aren't meant to be parents and this mother may know that she has a temper and that's why she didn't want children.  I think the kids were playing it up for the camera.  This women should leave and let her parents and husband take care of the little "Angels".   If this woman's parents had raised her she would never have been trapped into being a mother.

  

Not long ago, I saw a humorous warning on a bumper sticker, appropriate for my home state of Florida: "Be good to your children.  They will choose your nursing home." 

 

I was visiting with my oldest daughter, who had just given birth to her first baby, when this show aired.  We were unable to watch the entire program because my daughter became too upset by the sounds and images of what was happening to Michelle's children.  During the month I stayed with my daughter, watching her adjust to her new role and seeing her delight in her new daughter, I remembered another clingy baby, the strong-willed toddler, the moody child, and the rebellious teenager.  I also remembered how as a young mother, I often became overwhelmed, and shrieked at my young children.  I didn't resort to profane name-calling, but I did yell.    My own parents were of the "spare the rod and spoil the child", obey -without- question school of child "discipline".   I tended to fall back on that role model, especially when I was under stress.  To make a long story short, I made a concious decision to  find a better way of parenting.  It was painful to admit to myself that what I had always been taught as "discipline" was actually abusive.  It was difficult to ask for help, and sometimes my concerns were brushed aside, or trivialized.  As I prayed, read, and searched for help, I began to find answers.   I observed people I knew were successful parents of happy families - the ones whose grown children were happy and successful adults and actually liked and respected Mom and Dad.  I  was referred to good doctors; and treated for the clinical depression, that for several years had drained my energy, and kept me constantly on edge.  I learned to appreciate and enjoy my children.  One of the most important things I learned was that we can't demand "respect" from our children unless it goes both ways.  That includes knowing how to apologize and ask for forgiveness when we have been unjust . (By the way, saying something like,  "I'm sorry I screamed at you, but you should have..."  or  "Mom is sorry she slapped you, but she was so upset when you..." is NOT an apology.)   

 Sometimes a selfish desire not to look bad can get in the way of needed changes.   I noticed that Michelle seemed to want help, yet she didn't want to look too bad .  She tried to deflect responsibility for her behavior onto the children, the camera crew, and so on.  She minimized her daughter's very real emotional trauma as exaggerated or being  "dramatic"  - rather than face the truth about how her behavior was affecting her child.   She didn't look bad because of the production crew, or because the kids were "playing it up for the cameras"; she looked bad because her behavior was bad. ( She looked worse when she attempted to excuse the inexcusable.   You can't make excuses and make changes at the same time.)   I am grateful for the support and help I received through prayer and church leaders, through friends and others who provided good role models, and for the professionals who worked with me.   

The changes that started years ago became the investments that are paying out so much joy and laughter today.  My grown children have their own individual challenges, but they are affectionate, moral, self-confident, and humorous young adults.  The two teenagers at home are a source of anxiety and joy, never dull. 

The "bratty" toddler and moody teenager has grown into an accomplished, lovely young woman, who calls to tell me everything the baby is doing, and that she got an "A" on her exam.   

I agree that a 15-yearold should not be forced to keep a child, and perhaps some people are not meant to be parents.  However, no matter what the circumstances of it's birth, a baby has no choice in the matter.  A baby comes into the world helpless and powerless.  A child is not responsible for our painful relationships, our bad decisions, or any of our past wounds, yet we sometimes look upon our children as enemies out to get us. They are the closest, and easiest targets for adult rage.  I have noticed that some adults who expound passionately about the need for more "discipline" of children are the very same adults who lack self -discipline over their own tempers.  The children on the show were a lot closer to being "angels' than the out-of-control lunatic screaming the profanity-laden threats into their faces.    

 
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December 1, 2005, 8:29 am PST

What has happened to Michelle?

I'd like to know if there has been any progress since this show. 

If there has not been progress, I hope the girls are in a safe and nurturing home.  

 
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December 8, 2005, 3:54 pm PST

09/19 "Afraid of My Mom"

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 Before even reading all the other posts on this subject, I felt the need to post.

This show has really hit a sensitive spot in my heart. This mom brought me back to my childhood. My father was much like this mom is ... overpowering, controlling, demeaning, and scary. Just watching the posturing that this mom is taking with those children made me cry. I remember being that little girl cowering in the corner ... and then being yelled and screamed at for crying.

This woman needs major help! I cannot believe that any mother could treat her child that way ... and she has NO regard for what she is doing to those children. Her actions are damaging those children, and she has NO idea what kind of long term effects will have on those girls.

I am married and have not lived with my parents for a long time ... they have changed drastically, but I am still dealing with those repercussions of the things that I experienced in my childhood.

I am appalled that anyone would condone this kind of behavior because of "drama" ... just listen to what is being said to those girls ... they need LOVE not name calling and belittling behavior. I wish my household was big enough to take those girls in ...

I didn't watch this show and very glad I did not.  I can feel how you felt just by reading what you wrote.  I don't want to go back to my childhood.  The screaming, yelling, demeaning words...at times it still feels like it is happening today.  The worst physical torture was having my hand placed on a stove...to this day if I think of it, I can feel the terror I felt that day.  Although, I broke the cycle of abuse with my children...it was "SOOOOO" hard.  Before you have children do go to parenting classes and learn what you were not taught...it will make your life easier...because you can easily do what you had learned from your parents...I think that's why the cycle continues.  Also, when you have children and you are hugging them...hug yourself too...you're worth it.   

  

Now, for the mom on this show...I am nearly 50 years old...I still feel the pain I felt as a child...do you really want your children to carry this for the rest of their lives.  Abuse can affect the person for the rest of their life.  I hope you get help...you may be able to stop the cycle of abuse...and hopefully with help you can help your children learn to cope and live with what  you have done.  The Mom on this show said the message board was "chicken s***"...I hope you take a different attitude.  The truth hurts.  And I'm sure the comments did hurt you...but, that may because you are facing the truth.  I hope you continue to do so and break the cycle of abuse. 

  

  

 
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December 11, 2005, 7:32 am PST

I cant believe this!!

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I didn't watch this show and very glad I did not.  I can feel how you felt just by reading what you wrote.  I don't want to go back to my childhood.  The screaming, yelling, demeaning words...at times it still feels like it is happening today.  The worst physical torture was having my hand placed on a stove...to this day if I think of it, I can feel the terror I felt that day.  Although, I broke the cycle of abuse with my children...it was "SOOOOO" hard.  Before you have children do go to parenting classes and learn what you were not taught...it will make your life easier...because you can easily do what you had learned from your parents...I think that's why the cycle continues.  Also, when you have children and you are hugging them...hug yourself too...you're worth it.   

  

Now, for the mom on this show...I am nearly 50 years old...I still feel the pain I felt as a child...do you really want your children to carry this for the rest of their lives.  Abuse can affect the person for the rest of their life.  I hope you get help...you may be able to stop the cycle of abuse...and hopefully with help you can help your children learn to cope and live with what  you have done.  The Mom on this show said the message board was "chicken s***"...I hope you take a different attitude.  The truth hurts.  And I'm sure the comments did hurt you...but, that may because you are facing the truth.  I hope you continue to do so and break the cycle of abuse. 

  

  

I hate when people yell at their children just to scare them. I couldnt imagine how I would feel if I had yelled at my children and scared them to death. God I just dont know what else to say other than this is truly sickening and pretty much follows the same line as shackling your child to the bed. I am sorry that happened to you. I agree with you about this woman and I dont believe they let people like her even have children! 
 
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