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Topic : 12/19 The Honeymoon's Over!

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(Original Airdate: 09/26/05) One in 12 couples call it quits within 24 months of tying the knot. Dr. Phil's guests haven't even been married a year, and they already want to pull off their wedding bands and end their marriage! Did they know each other well enough before they said "I do"? Shamika says she wants to be treated like a southern belle, but her husband, Marlon, says she needs to get off her pedestal. Is Shamika asking too much? Plus, Miranda and Donny say the honeymoon was over before their suitcases were unpacked. So why is Miranda desperate to get pregnant, and should they have gotten married in the first place? Tune in for what you need to consider before making a lifetime commitment. Share your thoughts here.

 

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December 20, 2005, 9:28 am PST

Nice to have friends !!

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Dear Jenn, 

I guess as Moms we have to be the strong ones to be good listeners. Thank God the marriage my daughter is in is not physical abusive but the way my daughter talks it sounds if it could be. I know my son-in-law may have a stubborn streak but I certainly don't think he would ever do my daughter or his baby any physical harm.  I just want my life back and I want my daughter to stop airing her dirty laundry. It isn't just me she drags into her situations it is her friends, my sister, my mother, her mother-in-law, father-in-law etc. It's if she wants to be the centre of attention all the time. She is a very smart woman and so is her husband. Enough is enough. I pray for you and your daughter's family. She really should get out of an abusive situation to break the cycle of abuse that her children are learning. Has your daughter spoken to any social agencies to assist her? No matter how old our children are, even though they are adults and need to make and live with their decisions it hurts us and we want to rescue them. Don't fee guilty about not having the room for her.  Professional help is what she should seek. 

Andrea  

St. Catharines, Ontario 

  

Hi friend, 

  

    appreciate it so very much that you responded to me.  I read and thought of all you said and suggested.  My daughter is stubborn.  I did suggest a few things along the lines of what you said, but she is not listening, and am afraid something is going to happen to her, my grandkids and the unborn child she is carrying.  Thank so very much for everything.  God bless you and your family ! 

  

HAVE A WONDERFUL X-MAS & JOYEOUS NEW YEAR 

  

FRIEND 

TORONTO, ONTARIO 

 
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December 20, 2005, 9:40 am PST

Miranda what are you thinking

A baby is the product of love between a husband and wife who are in love whitch you clearly are not.  

Im sorry to say sweety you need some help . I agree with Dr Phil get some help first then when you are truly ready then think baby .Having a child right now will only bring you gref a child is demanding 24/7 and they dont understand adult bullshit.  

 
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December 20, 2005, 10:10 am PST

Shamica and Marlon

Been there, done that!!!  Shamica and Marlon truly did not give the relationship enough time to bloom, to develope, especially developing that friendship.  Trust me.  My first marriage was one month after we met each other.  I was in college and met this guy who worked in the cafeteria and knew my friends.  We partied hardy together and then one month later we were getting married.  That same night I was beaten into a corner and accused of stealing money out of the cards because we should have had more than there was.  We got married by the Justice out in my parents back yard.  I wanted out that night!  What have I done??? I asked myself.  I spent the next eight years in a physically abusive marriage, expected to be submissive to his every want and need and the heck with mine. I wound up getting extremely sick because he would not allow me to go to the doctor's because we couldn't afford it, yet he took darn good care of himself.   

Although Marlona nd Shamica say they love each other..do they truly know what love is?  They did not have that get to know you period, the fun, the laughter, venturing into new realms of activities and traveling together.  Getting to know each others good habits as well as bad, and the list goes on.  I feel that because of children, couples stay together that shouldn't.  I do hope that they are both serious about wanting to be together and truly loving each other "unconditionally".  This is a hard one to call, I must admit.  I can only hope that they make it and even if they don't, maybe they can begin to "date" each other and begin again the right way.  It is important that each maintain their individual interests and goals but offer support and guidance for each other along the way for that is also how a relationship grows.  To include each other in their endeavors.  Not a day goes by I do not let my Significant Other know how much I appreciate him and am grateful that he is a part of my life and he does the same.  There is no fighting, no bickering, just love, support, compassion and much love. 

Best wishes 

Elizabeth 

 
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December 20, 2005, 10:39 am PST

I agree with you

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I apologize if I sound sanctimonious, but why is this even up for discussion. 

RELATIONSHIPS TAKE WORK

MY QUESTION IS ...ARE AMERICANS INCREDIBLY NAIVE OR ARE THEY SPOILT BEYOND RECOGNITION.  IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING WHAT YOU WANT THEN WORK HARDER, TRY DIFFERENT THINGS BUT QUITTING SHOULDN'T BE THE FIRST OPTION YOU THINK OF.
 

 

 

IS THIS MENTALITY A PRODUCT OF THE NEW INSTANT LIFESTYLE,  

TELEVISION'S 30 SECOND ADVERTISING BITE, 

 FAST FOOD, 

 FAST CARS, 

 FAST TRACKING CAREERS, 

 INSTANT MESSAGING, 

 FAST BANKING.   

 

 

YOU GIVE THE REST OF THE WORLD THE IMPRESSION, THAT YOU HAVE NO PATIENCE AND WILL NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR CHOICES. 

 

 

IS MATURITY AND DEVELOPMENT OF ETHICS, INTEGRITY AND COMMITMENT NOW BEYOND YOUR REACH IN YOUR NEW MTV SOCIETY? 

 

 

IT IS A SAD INDICTMENT ON A NATION WITH AN IMPRESSIVE HISTORY OF STRUGGLE AGAINST THE ODDS AT YOUR INCEPTION THAT YOU NOW HAVE THE WORST DIVORCE RATE. 

  

 

CONFUSED AUSTRALIAN.   

As an American I am DISGUSTED with our society. It is not just America....it is the whole world. People everywhere are giving up on marriage because they have lost sight of marriage being sacred. We are no longer a God fearing nation. I and many other people I know view marriage as a gift from God and work hard and put our marriages FIRST in our lives. Yes Americans as a whole tend to be selfish, impatient, greedy people... but please don't label ALL of us Americans of being that way. You don't know what it it is like to be raised and live here. We tend to be bred to want things FAST! It is no way to live..very stressful. NO wonder there is a high rate of heart disease as well. I swear I am gonna have a heart attack driving on a Southern Califonia freeway one of these days! I was born in Las Vegas and raised in Southern California. I still live here (near DISNEYLAND of ALL places!!) and I am so ready to live out in the the countryside of Wales and be a sheep farmer and have tea time every day!!!! It's chaotic here and I HATE IT.  If I wasnt a Christian and I didnt rely on God for strength I would be an alcoholic for sure! This world is so depressing!  

  

 I love America...but I don't love what our society has turned into...lack of morals and little regard for fellow man or God. I don't know how it is in Australia concerning saying "Merry Christmas" Heck...saying MERRY CHRISTMAS in California is politically incorrect! DON'T CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE TRUE MANING>>>JESUS!! HELLLOOOO. We wouldnt have Christmas if it werent for Jesus being born!!! Makes me sick..all this Political correctness BS!! Quit calling Christians hypocrites! I DON'Tcelebrate holidays that don't have menaing to me! Whole seprate issue sorry! :O soooo 

  

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!! 

  

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December 20, 2005, 10:39 am PST

I agree with you

Quote From: tasquith

I apologize if I sound sanctimonious, but why is this even up for discussion. 

RELATIONSHIPS TAKE WORK

MY QUESTION IS ...ARE AMERICANS INCREDIBLY NAIVE OR ARE THEY SPOILT BEYOND RECOGNITION.  IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING WHAT YOU WANT THEN WORK HARDER, TRY DIFFERENT THINGS BUT QUITTING SHOULDN'T BE THE FIRST OPTION YOU THINK OF.
 

 

 

IS THIS MENTALITY A PRODUCT OF THE NEW INSTANT LIFESTYLE,  

TELEVISION'S 30 SECOND ADVERTISING BITE, 

 FAST FOOD, 

 FAST CARS, 

 FAST TRACKING CAREERS, 

 INSTANT MESSAGING, 

 FAST BANKING.   

 

 

YOU GIVE THE REST OF THE WORLD THE IMPRESSION, THAT YOU HAVE NO PATIENCE AND WILL NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR CHOICES. 

 

 

IS MATURITY AND DEVELOPMENT OF ETHICS, INTEGRITY AND COMMITMENT NOW BEYOND YOUR REACH IN YOUR NEW MTV SOCIETY? 

 

 

IT IS A SAD INDICTMENT ON A NATION WITH AN IMPRESSIVE HISTORY OF STRUGGLE AGAINST THE ODDS AT YOUR INCEPTION THAT YOU NOW HAVE THE WORST DIVORCE RATE. 

  

 

CONFUSED AUSTRALIAN.   

As an American I am DISGUSTED with our society. It is not just America....it is the whole world. People everywhere are giving up on marriage because they have lost sight of marriage being sacred. We are no longer a God fearing nation. I and many other people I know view marriage as a gift from God and work hard and put our marriages FIRST in our lives. Yes Americans as a whole tend to be selfish, impatient, greedy people... but please don't label ALL of us Americans of being that way. You don't know what it it is like to be raised and live here. We tend to be bred to want things FAST! It is no way to live..very stressful. NO wonder there is a high rate of heart disease as well. I swear I am gonna have a heart attack driving on a Southern Califonia freeway one of these days! I was born in Las Vegas and raised in Southern California. I still live here (near DISNEYLAND of ALL places!!) and I am so ready to live out in the the countryside of Wales and be a sheep farmer and have tea time every day!!!! It's chaotic here and I HATE IT.  If I wasnt a Christian and I didnt rely on God for strength I would be an alcoholic for sure! This world is so depressing!  

  

 I love America...but I don't love what our society has turned into...lack of morals and little regard for fellow man or God. I don't know how it is in Australia concerning saying "Merry Christmas" Heck...saying MERRY CHRISTMAS in California is politically incorrect! DON'T CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE TRUE MANING>>>JESUS!! HELLLOOOO. We wouldnt have Christmas if it werent for Jesus being born!!! Makes me sick..all this Political correctness BS!! Quit calling Christians hypocrites! I DON'Tcelebrate holidays that don't have menaing to me! Whole seprate issue sorry! :O soooo 

  

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!! 

  

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December 20, 2005, 10:44 am PST

I hear ya

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   I was a little frustrated with the people who wrote in with the attitude of "do it or die". Also, again with the Anti-American, "throw everything away" attitude. People outside this country need to stop listening to our biased press, and visit some of our states, and hometowns, but really get involved with some of  our "too quiet  vast majority"  who have strong family values, and are not "throw away everything people".  Many of us are getting SICK of the rest of the world judging us, when their own countries have horrible atrocities too numerous to mention. 

     

    With THAT said, this is there is NO reason whatsoever to stay in a marriage that has abuse written all over it. The first couple in this show seems to fit in this category. The wife is definetely abusing her husband. They need some serious counseling, but it's obvious that she does NOT love her husband. This couple never HAD a honeymoon. It was over before the honeymoon began.  They need to re-evaluate their situation, and maybe starting over with other people is a better choice. There has been a lot of hurt here, and the wife doesn't really care how much hurt she is causing.  

  

    My honeymoon was over as well, before it began. I married a workaholic. He took ONE day off of work so that we could go away. (which was spent driving to and from our honeymoon suite in the Poconos Mountains) It was not a fun time. Plus, since he was so pre-occupied with work, he couldn't focus on the reason WHY we were there. DUH!    I spent several hours just waching TV, while he worked on papers. 

    I am not a "throw away" person, and have tried to stick this thing out. But, after 23 years of a husband who cannot and will not put anything into this relationship, I have decided to call it quits. 

    It's hard to try to give love and attention to someone who will not return it, and who has dozens of "excuses" why he can't do whatever. 

    But, yet he INSISTS that he loves  me, and does not want a divorce. How can you believe that someone loves you when they will not touch you, hug or kiss you, or even make time on a holiday for your family? 

  

    My husband's problem of workaholism, (which goes deeper than just work), has caused major problems in our entire family. Our two grown children have never known what it is like to spend an entire day with their Daddy. He never went to any of their school functions, or took them any place special. Also, he "forgot" most of my birthdays, and anniversaries. Holidays, were a total chore, because he would constantly complain about money, would grouch all day long, eat dinner and then dissapear to his office for the rest of the day. I would have to spend the rest of the day entertaining our children and guests.  I did all of the decorating, cooking, and housework, as well as work, and he still complained about "his work". It is awful being married to a person who is unhappy ALL the time, and cannot find happiness in any part of life. Especially, when there is so much to be thankful for. 

  

     I feel guilty now, for staying in this marriage for so long. The hurt that has been done is so deep, and though I have tried anything and everything that I could to make things better, nothing worked.  

     I tried reading books, getting therapy, treating him special, trying special intimate things, and he always pushed me away.  

     Now, that I want out, he is begging me to stay. But, there is again, no action on his part that says that he is trying to change. I am 49 years old, and I feel that half of my life has been wasted on someone who is unable to get past his own issues to give to me as well as others. 

  

     Sometimes the honeymoon is over, and this one is, sorry to say. 

Dede7007 

I find what you are saying to be true.  I am not a throw away person either,  but at the age of 19 I had already been married, had a child,  and gotten divorced.  The man I thought I had married changed so drastically after the birth of our child.  He went from a loving responsible man to a over grown, abusive child.  Not only had he been abusive to me but also to our newborn who was born 8 weeks early.  I had to have an emergency surgery after her birth leaving him to provide most her care while I was on pain meds.  I was so out of it that I would wake up in the night and hear things such as him spanking her and  yelling at her.  I thought I was going crazy because of the meds,  after all,  who would spank a 4 lbs newborn?  I stopped taking my meds all together and didnt tell him.  I heard for myself what would be any mothers worst nightmare.  I took over her care that night and waited for him to leave in the morning.  I packed all of her things,  leaving mine behind and went straight to the doctor.  I had been out of it for over a week, I had no idea what might have happened during the time that I was unaware.  I never went back to that man and I have been fighting every day since then to keep him away from my now 6 year old daughter.  He contributes occasionally finacially whenever they can track him down by his ss number and hasnt seen her since she was 6 weeks old.  He was court ordered to have supervised visitation because of the abuse but he has never chosen to see her.  Some would say that it is such a shame that she doesnt see her biological father but I think it is a blessing.  I know that I will be left to answer all of the hard questions as she gets older,  and the only answer I have for her is that I dont know.  I dont know why all of this has happened but that she deserves so much more.  So I thank you Dede,  I thank you for saying what I have felt for all of those years when people think of me as an irresponsible person who just got out of a marriage because I was bored.  I got out to save myself and my daughter.  Your are right,  when it is over,  it is over,  and we shouldnt be told we are wrong for knowing it in our hearts and wanting better for ourselves.  Thank you!
 
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December 20, 2005, 11:40 am PST

Lust vs. Love

 It is so very sad that many young persons confuse lust with love. Lust is hormonal and useful for species reproduction; exciting and necessary. In a complex society, however, lust cannot take priority in choosing a life partner. Lust can be the first magnet to a person who might become a friend, a partner, a future lover and parent. On the other hand, whereas lust is strictly physical, relationships are physical, spiritual, social, economic and intellectual. That's where the love comes in. It is easy to be lustful, but it is difficult to love. We have been married forty-six years and the love has become easier and easier as the years passed. Young people, take the Dr's advice. Wake up every morning and think how you can make your friend happy. Ask for what you want - always explaining "When this or that - I feel". You will find very soon that there are many people out there who are willing to do the difficult loving before the easy lusting.
 
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December 20, 2005, 12:00 pm PST

Poor Donny

After watching the segment with Miranda and Donny I felt so sorry for Donny. It was so obvious that he loves her so much and she isn't there. I agree the girl needs some serious help and hopefully she takes advantage of it. I think though, that even if she gets help things won't last between them, because she has be so deceitful. I think that she drove a dagger through Donny's heart when she was honest with the Dr. Phil staff about her promiscuity, but was never really honest with him about things.  

  

I think she is mentally and emotionally not mature enough to have a serious relationship, especially a marriage. The fact that she wants to bring a child into this world after only being married for 3 months and it not being a solid marriage, is awful. This girl obviously has her head in the clouds. It is ashame that she doesn't realize how wonderful Donny is. Guys like him are hard to find, she should realize, she had 40 guys who apparently didn't love her like he does. I hope that she wakes up and learns what love is really about.  

  

She needs to throw away the phone numbers, and email address of the ex-boyfriends, and focus her attention on the man she calls her husband. She needs to stop living in her memories of her ex boyfriends and start making memories with Donny. I feel if she doesn't fix this soon, she will find herself back in that cycle and never find someone like Donny again.  

 
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December 20, 2005, 12:11 pm PST

Till death do us part

I have been married for almost 8 years and we have been together for 10.  I will say to you that it has been like a roller coaster.  Some days are great others are crazy.  But, one thing I learned from my grandparents that have been married for 50 years is that just because things get hard doesn't mean to give it up.  When you say those vows they are meant to be.  If people don't understand what they truly  mean then maybe they should either change the vows or not get married at all.  How many people in the olden days got married to someone they didn't even know and made it work for 70 + years.  It can be but to many people believe that divorce is the answer.  Re-read your vows...does it say in there "till death do us part or until you don't think you can handle it anymore?"  Think about that.  Work out your problems. 
 
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December 20, 2005, 12:38 pm PST

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   I was a little frustrated with the people who wrote in with the attitude of "do it or die". Also, again with the Anti-American, "throw everything away" attitude. People outside this country need to stop listening to our biased press, and visit some of our states, and hometowns, but really get involved with some of  our "too quiet  vast majority"  who have strong family values, and are not "throw away everything people".  Many of us are getting SICK of the rest of the world judging us, when their own countries have horrible atrocities too numerous to mention. 

     

    With THAT said, this is there is NO reason whatsoever to stay in a marriage that has abuse written all over it. The first couple in this show seems to fit in this category. The wife is definetely abusing her husband. They need some serious counseling, but it's obvious that she does NOT love her husband. This couple never HAD a honeymoon. It was over before the honeymoon began.  They need to re-evaluate their situation, and maybe starting over with other people is a better choice. There has been a lot of hurt here, and the wife doesn't really care how much hurt she is causing.  

  

    My honeymoon was over as well, before it began. I married a workaholic. He took ONE day off of work so that we could go away. (which was spent driving to and from our honeymoon suite in the Poconos Mountains) It was not a fun time. Plus, since he was so pre-occupied with work, he couldn't focus on the reason WHY we were there. DUH!    I spent several hours just waching TV, while he worked on papers. 

    I am not a "throw away" person, and have tried to stick this thing out. But, after 23 years of a husband who cannot and will not put anything into this relationship, I have decided to call it quits. 

    It's hard to try to give love and attention to someone who will not return it, and who has dozens of "excuses" why he can't do whatever. 

    But, yet he INSISTS that he loves  me, and does not want a divorce. How can you believe that someone loves you when they will not touch you, hug or kiss you, or even make time on a holiday for your family? 

  

    My husband's problem of workaholism, (which goes deeper than just work), has caused major problems in our entire family. Our two grown children have never known what it is like to spend an entire day with their Daddy. He never went to any of their school functions, or took them any place special. Also, he "forgot" most of my birthdays, and anniversaries. Holidays, were a total chore, because he would constantly complain about money, would grouch all day long, eat dinner and then dissapear to his office for the rest of the day. I would have to spend the rest of the day entertaining our children and guests.  I did all of the decorating, cooking, and housework, as well as work, and he still complained about "his work". It is awful being married to a person who is unhappy ALL the time, and cannot find happiness in any part of life. Especially, when there is so much to be thankful for. 

  

     I feel guilty now, for staying in this marriage for so long. The hurt that has been done is so deep, and though I have tried anything and everything that I could to make things better, nothing worked.  

     I tried reading books, getting therapy, treating him special, trying special intimate things, and he always pushed me away.  

     Now, that I want out, he is begging me to stay. But, there is again, no action on his part that says that he is trying to change. I am 49 years old, and I feel that half of my life has been wasted on someone who is unable to get past his own issues to give to me as well as others. 

  

     Sometimes the honeymoon is over, and this one is, sorry to say. 

Dede7007 

  

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  I  was  married  and i remember  very well,  saying  to my wife... i am  not  Rich,  and wealthy 

 

  but  i can  give you all my love and cares instead of the material things. 

 

  She  passed  away seven years ago,  but  when i find some one New i will tell her  the  same. 

 

  Wishing  all of  you  a  Prosperous  New  Year  2006. 

 
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