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(Original Airdate: 09/26/05) One in 12 couples call it quits within 24 months of tying the knot. Dr. Phil's guests haven't even been married a year, and they already want to pull off their wedding bands and end their marriage! Did they know each other well enough before they said "I do"? Shamika says she wants to be treated like a southern belle, but her husband, Marlon, says she needs to get off her pedestal. Is Shamika asking too much? Plus, Miranda and Donny say the honeymoon was over before their suitcases were unpacked. So why is Miranda desperate to get pregnant, and should they have gotten married in the first place? Tune in for what you need to consider before making a lifetime commitment. Share your thoughts here.

 

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December 20, 2005, 12:39 pm PST

12/19 The Honeymoon's Over!

well i have been married for almost 2 years, with my husband for 3. i agree, marriage is WORK all day, everyday. there is nothing easy in life, that is reality. but marriage can be a wonderful thing if both partners put forth  the effort, and really work at it.  it like anything worthwhile in life, is a serious job, and sometimes u think is this worth it. but i think it is, or can be.  i plan to stay married till there just is no energy left in me. i do not waste my time. i went into it NOT thinking oh well i can always just get divorced.  almost everyone in my family has been married  and divorced 3 times, i don't want  that.  and i don't want to cheat or be cheated on. we americans r spoiled, i agree, but that doesn't have to be an excuse for our behavior. think of the words of wisdom from outkast, forever, forever ever, forever ever?  and think about that before u make a decision. because forever is a long time, till death due u part..
 
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December 20, 2005, 2:08 pm PST

12/19 The Honeymoon's Over!

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I apologize if I sound sanctimonious, but why is this even up for discussion. 

RELATIONSHIPS TAKE WORK

MY QUESTION IS ...ARE AMERICANS INCREDIBLY NAIVE OR ARE THEY SPOILT BEYOND RECOGNITION.  IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING WHAT YOU WANT THEN WORK HARDER, TRY DIFFERENT THINGS BUT QUITTING SHOULDN'T BE THE FIRST OPTION YOU THINK OF.
 

 

 

IS THIS MENTALITY A PRODUCT OF THE NEW INSTANT LIFESTYLE,  

TELEVISION'S 30 SECOND ADVERTISING BITE, 

 FAST FOOD, 

 FAST CARS, 

 FAST TRACKING CAREERS, 

 INSTANT MESSAGING, 

 FAST BANKING.   

 

 

YOU GIVE THE REST OF THE WORLD THE IMPRESSION, THAT YOU HAVE NO PATIENCE AND WILL NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR CHOICES. 

 

 

IS MATURITY AND DEVELOPMENT OF ETHICS, INTEGRITY AND COMMITMENT NOW BEYOND YOUR REACH IN YOUR NEW MTV SOCIETY? 

 

 

IT IS A SAD INDICTMENT ON A NATION WITH AN IMPRESSIVE HISTORY OF STRUGGLE AGAINST THE ODDS AT YOUR INCEPTION THAT YOU NOW HAVE THE WORST DIVORCE RATE. 

  

 

CONFUSED AUSTRALIAN.   

 I think I can help answer this for you.

At least with my generation (I'm in my mid twenties) a lot of  kids grew up with divorced parents.  At least six of the 15 kids in my  elemmentary and middle school class had divorced parents.  So that's part of the reason people my age don't stick with it.

Another part is that I think you're exactly right that our culture of instant gratification plays a HUGE role people's expectations about everything. 

Also I think a lot of people have people have faulty expectations of marriage.  Do you NEED a honeymoon to have a good marriage? I don't think so.  Do you NEED a large wedding? I don''t think so either.  The list goes on from there.

But what people do need in marriage is a sincere desire to put the other person 's needs ahead of your own.  you need mutual things like: honesty, respect, and commitment.  You get these things by working together and learning about each other BEFORE you get married.   You don't have to agree in everything, but you have to learn to disagree with RESPECT. 

However, no one should stay in a dangerous marriage, that's my opinion.  Your personal safety and the safety  and security of your children comes first.   But I think a lot of people find it hard to tell the difference between a hard marriage and a dangerous one.

I hope this has helped. Thanks for the outside persepective on life in America. :)
 
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December 20, 2005, 2:20 pm PST

Marriage is HARD WORK !

Marriage is extremely hard work. However it is well worth it.  My husband and I met in high school and dated for 5 years before we entered into marriage.  We have now been married for 6 years.  Coming from a single parent home we both thought it would be EASY!  Just like you see on TV.  Yep were tricked!  Marriage is truly a career.  You have to work at it to get where you want to be.  My husband and I have realize that in order to be happy in our marriage we have to put the Lord first.  God is the greatest part of our marriage.  We have struggles just like everybody else, but we know that is nothing we can't over come.  To Marlon and Shemeka, I wish you both many blessing as a happily married couple.  Always remember to think of you spouse as your BEST FRIEND.  Because you cant be lover if you are not friends; you can be LUSTER and not be friends.  You have 2 beautiful children together and life is great.  Give you marriage a chance!  It's NOT too late!   

  

Good luck and God Bless 

 
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December 20, 2005, 2:25 pm PST

the marriage is over if you let it be!

life difinately not easy, in any society around the world, i have been where Shamika and her husband Marlon, my first marriage separated at 11months marriage, we however had been together for 6 and half years before, and i just wanted a happy marriage, kids, and treated nicely, and in turn love them back, i was 19 , he was 17 when we first got together and marriage wasnt to til we were in our mid twentys, however, my idea of a fairytale marriage, wasnt so, like every girls i want to be cinderella story, it is possible BUT after i stayed with it thru break up after breakup thinking it would change, for me and my husband and children, another 4 years.had pasted me by..but their was abuse and he was into smoking drugs,longer story...but this is where i saw the different, i wanted a fairytale ending on a rocky road,i am not even sure what my husband at the time was looking for, we didnt communicate that well, thats the first problem. Definately  you both have to be able to  connect, walk side by side not two steps in front two steps behind but together, learning to compromise with each others decisions, without critising one another regardless who is right or wrong, i have been remarried 3 years now to a "the one"my soul mate and well before you say ohhhh no here we go listen for a sec...we never touched, at first we didnt even see each other, we sat at our computers 17,000 miles away, my now husband in U.S.A and myself in AUSTRALIA, we spoke for two years before he finally moved here, through my up hill battles,with confusion on the differences between to countries which i didnt even know exsisted, but we had no choice but to communicate, we learnt about one another from the inside out, instead of like most couples, where you met someone, get together, form a relationship, and move in house, you have truely forgotten to really know them, what makes them do what they do, say what they say.....i did it that way the first time which lasted 10 years of torment, and hearthache.......but the first thing that happens when you move in house, there is a sexual attraction, right there most topics are washed away, buried til , sometime after, years that you or your partner ideas and things change, or topics that were there suddenly appear, because they were never dicussed. My husband and only husband, as i see it, we have our ups and downs, we havent agrued,or word is dicussed,  in 5 years we have known each other, because we agree to disagree, we say our peace and if no one can  be  the ''winner'' we are both winners . He flew from one side of the world to be with me, without touching only seeing him through video conferncing, in most cases people jump feet first , lucky he knew who i was and i knew him b4 he got here, no rock was unturned. I wish all couples on dr. phil show the best of luck, hope that they all can connect as a couple. Life wasnt meant to be easy, thats when we dont give up, but hand in hand work to make it better. One more important thing, in our marriage others can give there advice, thank them for there advice. But the  Bottom line is its up to you as a couple to make the decision, My husband and i get that alot, we sometimes just get away to talk it thru together,without outside influence,and go over ideas. communication, trust,compromise,honesty,are but some....and most of all love not just loving someone...its more like being in- love with someone, two very different things. best of luck.
 
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December 20, 2005, 3:29 pm PST

12/19 The Honeymoon's Over!

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There are so many women today that have a great life and a wonderful husband. and i see a lot of these women very judgmental towards girls and women like Miranda. my opinion on this couple is that of a girl who has been in Miranda's shoes. i feel for her and i know how confused and lost she feels. she is searching for something as she has in her past. a girl that has been with a lot of men to me is no different than a girl who has been with maybe one or two than found some one, or that perfect husband. she may find what she is looking for. and she might have found it in her husband. but for the women who are looking down on her need to try and put them selves in her shoes. it sounds like she has found a guy who has known from the start, that she has issues. and i feel he should try and stick by her side through them. cause if he just leaves her it will just repeat what she has been going through. Dr Phil is as always right . i think once she gets some help from a professional. there relationship will grow. i know it is hard on her husband but i just hope he will be as supportive and non judgmental as he can.

So what your saying is that its ok to sleep around , um yeah it does make a diffrence if you ve slept with one or two compared to 40 guys ! I think she is using him as a soft place to fall , how can someone be supportive  and non judgemental of their partner when their partner came right out and said it herself , she only went back with him cuz her ex dumped her , so what next time she finds another guy or one of her exes its ok for her to just leave him and when that fails ,come crawling back  to  him saying how she needs help and she has issues, she knows whats she s doin shes not that stupid, shes using him But it is his fault for letting it continue , we all have choices , if he chooses to stay with her then he cant complain anymore if she continues with her behavior, she does it because he lets her , if some one did that 2 me I d kick there butt 2 the curb, did i say i have just a wonderful husband and my life is so wonderful so i look down on girls like her ,no mines probably worse than u can imagine, i m not going to eloborate on that though , just writing my opinion 

 
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December 20, 2005, 5:16 pm PST

i think miranda is an abuse survivor, poss even a rape survivor

my heart really goes out to her.  why do i think she's a survivor? because she's so terrified of sex and real intimacy, terrified of being truly connected to any one man; terrified of being alone with her own husband (who seemed decent on the show - she's lucky she didn't get an abusive one like i did).  she's had so many past lovers ... being promiscuous is a huge red flag for a rape survivor.

not remembering and/or not admitting what all left her so wounded is not a bad thing. know how we all misplace our keys, forget where they are for a few minutes/hours? that's dissociating, so, yes, dissociating is a real event!!  she may have dissociated what was done to hurt her, ... which means it's just going to take more time to work through it all but she CAN heal from this crap! we ALL can heal from the crap done to us in our lives!! 

my heart went out to the immense pain in her and donny's lives. god bless them that they can find the healing they both seek.
 
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December 20, 2005, 7:13 pm PST

THE TEAMPLAYER & THE NON-CHEF

Hi, I am a newlywed of one year, we have been together a total of 9 years and living together for 5 years, 3 of which we have owned our own home.  We have two dogs, no children yet…we have been fighting a lot lately and this is just ONE of our sore subjects.  Mostly it boils down to being a teamplayer and working together in life.... 

  

 

Today was another tough day.  I’m not sure why I decided to conquer this tonight but I did and I went with it.  I came home today after taking Ebony to the vet for the second time in less than a week!  Last night I had to go buy dog food and laundry detergent while poor Ebony was in her crate with her e-collar on, she looked so sad in the crate, sad and uncomfortable.  All the while…my husband was off at his Monday-night bowling league.  Anyways, tonight I decided I didn’t feel like taking on the responsibility of dinner.  Whether that be cooking or fetching.  I am always the one who makes the decisions around here.  My husband doesn’t know how to cook anything, so he says.  So, I guess the conversation started at 6 p.m. tonight and ended with a fight by 8 p.m….

  

 

  

 

I sat down with him and explained that I wanted him to take care of dinner, not necessarily cook dinner but make the decision.  Again, not asking him to do this all the time but just once in a while to let me know he can do it and maybe it would help him to appreciate me more.  His first response was, “I will make you a frozen pizza and I’ll eat chips and dip”   That really wasn’t the result I was looking for.  I wanted him to take on the responsibility of creating a meal for “the family” which consists of him and I right now.  I told him I want us to work together as a team.  I want to know that if I walk through that door one night and the kids are hungry that he is fully capable of making the decision about dinner.  I want to know I can count on him to not feed our children McDonald’s or “chips and dip” all the time.  I offered my help to him and he got irritated but would not admit it.  He went and took a shower.  He came back fully expecting me to give in and take over for him.  I stood my ground.  We talked further about it, well I did…hoping he would weigh in and give me his opinion.  He complained he didn’t feel like going anywhere which was the way I felt…it was good for him to get a taste of how I feel when I come home from work and have to worry about what’s for dinner.  He felt it was unreasonable for me to request that he do something he had never done before…..(man, if I said this to every boss I have ever had, I would never have gotten anywhere in business!)

  

 

  

 

Even though prior to us co-habiting and pre-marriage I knew this was what came with the package, I vowed one day I would help him grow into adulthood so he could set a good example for our children.  It is not fair to me that I have to live up to a standard invoked by his mother since birth.  She had dinner waiting for him every day he came home from work.  She only made things he would eat, sometimes he would phone in his request to her for what he wanted for dinner that night.  I do not work this way.  I was not raised this way.  My mother cooked and she was a very good cook.  But if she was making something you didn’t care for, you either ate it or you made your own dinner, or the least favorite choice….you didn’t eat at all.  I was raised to not complain.  Maybe since he knows that when he complains people would do what he asked and things would be “his” way…who knows.  I want my husband to know that when you have a family it is a responsibility and the end result can’t be we all just don’t eat tonight because “I don’t feel like making anything”.  The end result MUST BE we will eat I just have to decide what.  So, after many words exchanged….all calmly on my part, even though his body language was negative and his responses were negative and mean, I conceded defeat and walked away….I didn’t want to beat myself up against the wall anymore.  I was done….

  

 

  

 

I guess he didn’t like that I got up and walked away.  I was so frustrated at this point.  He came out and I handed him his vehicle tag renewal forms and told him to do it himself (something he has never done for himself).  He took it and acted like he was going to rip it in half and he almost did….but something stopped him…not sure what.

  

 

I said something that crosses my mind often when dealing with his immature approach to life survival, “I am sick of being the teacher in the romper room!”

  

 

  

 

He decided he was going to make dinner at that point.  Brats are better than nothing (again, something he has never done).  But after a few tears on my part and a few angry words later, he cooked them.  I decided I would show good sportsmanship and I brought noodles into the kitchen to make as a side dish.  We didn’t talk all through dinner.

  

 

  

 

In the end, he accomplished, on his own terms, dinner.  Even though it was a painful and difficult journey, I am glad I did it.  I asked if he would be on board to do this at least once a month.  This would give him the learning experience he so desperately needs to survive in life (without a female).  I told him we could cook together.  We could cook something simple, like tacos or spaghetti, or maybe even some hamburgers….nothing too advanced of course!  He said he was on board.  I guess that’s all I could have hoped for.

  

 

  

 

I guess I feel better knowing he finally gave in to me.  I really do feel that a man of 35 years should know how to cook a meal for his family.  Nothing too hard, but a well balanced meal.  Should he ever be called on to pitch in or fill in for his wife.  Trying to teach teamwork to a single player is hard! 

 

Anyone have any thoughts on splitting household duties and frustrated because your husband is not a teamplayer??? 

  

 

 
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December 20, 2005, 10:43 pm PST

12/19 The Honeymoon's Over!

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Hi, I am a newlywed of one year, we have been together a total of 9 years and living together for 5 years, 3 of which we have owned our own home.  We have two dogs, no children yet…we have been fighting a lot lately and this is just ONE of our sore subjects.  Mostly it boils down to being a teamplayer and working together in life.... 

  

 

Today was another tough day.  I’m not sure why I decided to conquer this tonight but I did and I went with it.  I came home today after taking Ebony to the vet for the second time in less than a week!  Last night I had to go buy dog food and laundry detergent while poor Ebony was in her crate with her e-collar on, she looked so sad in the crate, sad and uncomfortable.  All the while…my husband was off at his Monday-night bowling league.  Anyways, tonight I decided I didn’t feel like taking on the responsibility of dinner.  Whether that be cooking or fetching.  I am always the one who makes the decisions around here.  My husband doesn’t know how to cook anything, so he says.  So, I guess the conversation started at 6 p.m. tonight and ended with a fight by 8 p.m….

  

 

  

 

I sat down with him and explained that I wanted him to take care of dinner, not necessarily cook dinner but make the decision.  Again, not asking him to do this all the time but just once in a while to let me know he can do it and maybe it would help him to appreciate me more.  His first response was, “I will make you a frozen pizza and I’ll eat chips and dip”   That really wasn’t the result I was looking for.  I wanted him to take on the responsibility of creating a meal for “the family” which consists of him and I right now.  I told him I want us to work together as a team.  I want to know that if I walk through that door one night and the kids are hungry that he is fully capable of making the decision about dinner.  I want to know I can count on him to not feed our children McDonald’s or “chips and dip” all the time.  I offered my help to him and he got irritated but would not admit it.  He went and took a shower.  He came back fully expecting me to give in and take over for him.  I stood my ground.  We talked further about it, well I did…hoping he would weigh in and give me his opinion.  He complained he didn’t feel like going anywhere which was the way I felt…it was good for him to get a taste of how I feel when I come home from work and have to worry about what’s for dinner.  He felt it was unreasonable for me to request that he do something he had never done before…..(man, if I said this to every boss I have ever had, I would never have gotten anywhere in business!)

  

 

  

 

Even though prior to us co-habiting and pre-marriage I knew this was what came with the package, I vowed one day I would help him grow into adulthood so he could set a good example for our children.  It is not fair to me that I have to live up to a standard invoked by his mother since birth.  She had dinner waiting for him every day he came home from work.  She only made things he would eat, sometimes he would phone in his request to her for what he wanted for dinner that night.  I do not work this way.  I was not raised this way.  My mother cooked and she was a very good cook.  But if she was making something you didn’t care for, you either ate it or you made your own dinner, or the least favorite choice….you didn’t eat at all.  I was raised to not complain.  Maybe since he knows that when he complains people would do what he asked and things would be “his” way…who knows.  I want my husband to know that when you have a family it is a responsibility and the end result can’t be we all just don’t eat tonight because “I don’t feel like making anything”.  The end result MUST BE we will eat I just have to decide what.  So, after many words exchanged….all calmly on my part, even though his body language was negative and his responses were negative and mean, I conceded defeat and walked away….I didn’t want to beat myself up against the wall anymore.  I was done….

  

 

  

 

I guess he didn’t like that I got up and walked away.  I was so frustrated at this point.  He came out and I handed him his vehicle tag renewal forms and told him to do it himself (something he has never done for himself).  He took it and acted like he was going to rip it in half and he almost did….but something stopped him…not sure what.

  

 

I said something that crosses my mind often when dealing with his immature approach to life survival, “I am sick of being the teacher in the romper room!”

  

 

  

 

He decided he was going to make dinner at that point.  Brats are better than nothing (again, something he has never done).  But after a few tears on my part and a few angry words later, he cooked them.  I decided I would show good sportsmanship and I brought noodles into the kitchen to make as a side dish.  We didn’t talk all through dinner.

  

 

  

 

In the end, he accomplished, on his own terms, dinner.  Even though it was a painful and difficult journey, I am glad I did it.  I asked if he would be on board to do this at least once a month.  This would give him the learning experience he so desperately needs to survive in life (without a female).  I told him we could cook together.  We could cook something simple, like tacos or spaghetti, or maybe even some hamburgers….nothing too advanced of course!  He said he was on board.  I guess that’s all I could have hoped for.

  

 

  

 

I guess I feel better knowing he finally gave in to me.  I really do feel that a man of 35 years should know how to cook a meal for his family.  Nothing too hard, but a well balanced meal.  Should he ever be called on to pitch in or fill in for his wife.  Trying to teach teamwork to a single player is hard! 

 

Anyone have any thoughts on splitting household duties and frustrated because your husband is not a teamplayer??? 

  

 

Actually, I know a lot of women/mothers who do not know how to cook, so what's the difference!! My hubby doesn't cook but he is still a team player. he does his own laundry and works on the cars and works a full time job as well as help with the children when possible. Now, he is good about helping when I need it and ask for it and yes there are times when he will just do something that needs to be done................................ As far as meals go, I freeze left overs and keep stauffer dinners up there, there is always something to eat in our home and it doesn't take a good cook to fix it. I don't expect my husband to be a cook but to be there for me and to understand where I am coming from as well as the same for me towards him, if i don't feel like cooking then I don't, I will order out or call hubby and tell him to pick something up , either for the family or himself as I can easily pop in a dinner of left overs for the kids. Really not a big deal............Being a team player is being there for each other and helping and sharing the duties of the home and children, being partners but it doesn't mean that they have to do the exact same thing as the other, My hubby has cooked one meal in the almost 13 years of marriage, other then grilling, but no complaints here, for he does other things around the home........I think also we need to choose our batlles and if we are going to argue, it really needs to be something worth arguing about and I personally wouldn't argue over who is going to fix dinner. I would just order a pizza or stick a frozen dinner in the oven, works for us and every one is happy and eating healthy.
 
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December 20, 2005, 11:14 pm PST

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With all due respect: What a load of cr*p.  Donnie, (Donnie!? Give me a break! Try calling Mr. Trump 'Donnie'!)  Donnie, has "I dunno, where do you want to go?" written all over him. If Miranda was crying on her honeymoon it's probably because she discovered she married a wimp.  A wimp with (most likely) a decent income who can keep a roof over her and her baby's head and food on their table.  But a wimp nonetheless.  When ol hubby was sobbing in his hands after discovering she slept with 40 guys, I'll bet that deep in her heart she was feeling contempt for him; because instead of standing up for himself, he rolled over on his back and whimpered like a puppy.  I'm surprised someone didn't hand the ol boy a box of Kleenex.  I'll also bet that when he found out about her carrying on on-line with that old boyfriend she hoped beyond hope that Mr. Milquetoast would have demanded she stop that crap, now, or she'll get her ass kicked to the curb.  IMOH Miranda's mistake was to believe all that BS that "they" say about how women really want 'caring sensitive' men.  Usually when a guy is described as being 'caring and sensitive' it really means he is a wussy.  (I heard they make great 'friends'.)  Do I believe women want bullies for partners?  Of course not, but I'll bet that deep in their hearts they want to feel the comfort and security of their partners strength and confidence.  Unfortunately, a lot of guys who act like they have self-confidence really don't.  They'll talk a good talk and press all the right buttons, but if you look inside there's nothing there.  These are the jerks who, in order to make themselves feel strong, will abuse their partners or treat them like a conquest and dump them.  Miranda has "Preachers Kid" written all over her, she needs male attention, she needs the big strong confident (acting) guy and is especially vulnerable to them.  This girl needs to grow up and get some faith in herself before jumping into a relationship.  But he most important thing this marriage needs is for "Don" to grow some cahonies.  At least try to get a set before marriage #3. 
I do not think Donny is a wimp at all. Takes a real man to cry and admit his feelings and of all places on TV. A "caring sensitive" man is by far not a wussy because it takes a lot more courage to feel then to be that block of ice Miranda was. But then again maybe she is one of those women who like men who treat her horribly. For some reason we as people want what we can't have so the worse someone treats you...the more you want them. Tom Leykis is right.
 
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December 21, 2005, 1:05 am PST

12/19 The Honeymoon's Over!

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  Quote  from dede 7007  

 

  I  was  married  and i remember  very well,  saying  to my wife... i am  not  Rich,  and wealthy 

 

  but  i can  give you all my love and cares instead of the material things. 

 

  She  passed  away seven years ago,  but  when i find some one New i will tell her  the  same. 

 

  Wishing  all of  you  a  Prosperous  New  Year  2006. 

That is a very well stated comment ! "I tease my husband often by telling him I married him for his money" which is definitely not the case, but I think he  focuses on money more than I ever have in my life because he is more apt to make money comments under his breath.."my money, your money, when you make more money, if you want you can work my job, you pay the bills and I'll stay at home with the baby... I hate arguments about money, I am just very thankful for what I have...my life, my daughter, shelter, family, friends, etc. I will print out your statement and hope that he really reads it! He's 44 yrs. old, before me had been a long time bachelor, I am his first marriage of 4 yrs., plus we dated for 2 yrs., first child for the both of us, he's been stable employed as journeyman meatcutter with same company for 19 yrs....what should he complain about?? His family tells him how "fortunate he is". I agree! Does one need a tragic rude awakening?
 
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