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Topic : 12/19 The Honeymoon's Over!

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Created on : Friday, September 23, 2005, 04:41:13 pm
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(Original Airdate: 09/26/05) One in 12 couples call it quits within 24 months of tying the knot. Dr. Phil's guests haven't even been married a year, and they already want to pull off their wedding bands and end their marriage! Did they know each other well enough before they said "I do"? Shamika says she wants to be treated like a southern belle, but her husband, Marlon, says she needs to get off her pedestal. Is Shamika asking too much? Plus, Miranda and Donny say the honeymoon was over before their suitcases were unpacked. So why is Miranda desperate to get pregnant, and should they have gotten married in the first place? Tune in for what you need to consider before making a lifetime commitment. Share your thoughts here.

 

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September 29, 2005, 2:09 pm PDT

I AGREE DONNY

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    Donny,  WAKE UP!  If only you realized that you are way out of Miranda'a league!!!!  You seem to be more sincere, more compassionate. and ALOT MORE better looking then she is.  Leave her now before she gets pregnant.  she will only cheat on u,  then she will leave you and take your child away to live with the (50th) guy she slept with.   I couldnt belive how much you were in love with her.  It's so sad!  You are a gorgeous guy!  There are alot of women who are BEAUTIFUL inside and out who would love to date you!  It was so obvious that your wife is not Beautiful both inside and out. 

She is going to cheat on you again, and again!  Think about your future kids, and their health!  AIDS is alive and well, and her history with sleeping around is very scary!   

Donny, You are young, very handsome, and so kind any woman out there in there right mind would jump at the chance to have you the way that she does now.  It is so easy to see that she does not appreciate you with the emails, multiple sex partners, and all that she put you through.  You have done nothing to deserve this.  She has lied to you on numerous occasions and has addmitted to you that she is with you just b/c her boyfriend didnt want her.  Please dont start a family with her its obvious she has no repspect for you or herself how would she respect that child enough to take care of the baby?  It just wouldn't be fair.  Also you need to worry at this point about your own health and safety with her sleeping around like she has/is.  I would go get checked for everything just to be safe,  Just remember.  "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior."   

  

Good Luck you are good looking and can do so much better, it wont be easy, just keep your head up and don't look back, you are better then that. 

 
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September 29, 2005, 2:35 pm PDT

Dear Miranda, please read

As I am sure you see most people are bashing you on this site, if you care or not is another story.  I hope you watch yourself on tape and see what a pretty person you really are.  I am sure you have the potential to be a better person and I am sure that you are not proud of that fact that you slept with so many guys or you would of not lied to Donny about it in the 1st place.  Many times in a new relationship, I feel the past should remain in the past but with you keep emailing your old flames is wrong.  Ask yourself how would you fell if Donny did that?  After watching that tape, I seen that you have a really good guy on your hands that cried on national TV for you and you would be craxy to let him go, he loves you so much and I don;t think you realize it b/c you are to rapped up in the other men.  I think if you give up totally on the other men you to may be fine, and suggest couseling as well as STD testing, and please hold of on having a child, neither of you are emotionally ready.  I am the one that will not bash you and I dont think its all your fault you do the things you do, its obvious somethins may of happened later in life that you never were helped with or you have insecurity issues to deal with.  But the guys you talk to wont stand by you like the one you have now, you will regret it if you lose him, believe me you will and it will be to late.  If you keep up the risky activites that you are doing you could kill both of you.  The other guys wont trust you b/c they see how you are with Donny now and messing around on him with them and that will be in that back of there heads, you are just another notch in there belt , while the man that adores you sits at home.  Please if you do nothing else take my advice, get counseling and get rid of the other men before you lose the best thing that ever happened to you.
 

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September 29, 2005, 4:57 pm PDT

One more thing!

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The people blasting Donny are SO off! He isn't a wimp; he is in love with a girl that does NOT love herself! Miranda is a girl that "looks" for approval from men and it is likely she always will!!! She has no self-worth, whatsoever! More than likely, she came from a less than loving childhood. She hates herself and seeks "validation" ; she needs to know that she is pretty, desired and wanted; and Donny is not enough to convince her damaged spirit! So, unfortunately she seeks that validation by seeking approval from MEN---in fact, almost any man and with many numbers of men.....(and just for you, Donny, it ISN'T about sex!) The sex is expected from the men that validate her; so she complies, as she has to "follow through".........once, that man has validated her and given her her 'fix' ---it is on to the next one; yes, she will keep some of the men 'on the hook', but you can rest assured, they mean NOTHING to her..........and the cycle will never end until she comes to grip with all the garbage that is going on within her. The fact that Donny loves her, means little to her; but, if he threatens to leave she will likely promise to change, and beg him not to leave.  Another thing Donny, she will not only give sex to other men, but will do things with them she would never do with youeven things that disgust her; you are her husband, she has you and does not need approval from you; she knows you love her and she will make your life miserable, letting you hurt, never meeting your needs, etc., and she will continue as long as you will let her.............how do I know all this? I was Miranda for many, many years.............Thank God, my husband stuck it out, as he is a gem, much as Donny is; I realize now God sent him to me to help me overcome all the garbage that was within me. It is a sad, lonely, heart wrenching road and I despise all the things I did and all the men I gave myself up to..........I now know that I am worthwhile and I don't need approval from men; however, even into my 40's and now 50's I am easily caught up by men that give me 'the eye'...........but, now, I RUN from them, as I now know I approve of myself and men outside of the marriage only want one thing: sex..............Poor Miranda, girl...........I feel so sorry for you! You need big time professional help! I received the ultimate "professional help "when I gave my heart to God.........and I spent years begging God to help me overcome this 'addiction' for male approval.......thank God, I am so relieved to have finally accepted myself

  

 Miranda, you are lost! Trust me when I tell you that you are NOT special to all these other men---you are nothing to them but a willing vagina...........sorry, for the bluntness, but it is true; they will tickle your ear with flowery words as those words get them what they really want: sex.  

Though most viewers probably saw Miranda as more than "loose" ; (a name I cannot use here), when the "40" guys were revealed, Miranda reveled in that supposedly kept 'secret' and only gloats in the fact that Donny has been further "informed" of how many men want her and how 'hot' she must be...(and he was 'informed', of all places, on the show!)......there is a need in Miranda to make Donny think she is THE hottest woman on earth and every man wants her......It wasn't about 'coming clean' with Donny; as does it matter if it was 10, 20, 40 or 500? No, the fact is she needs to feel  WANTED, desired, and Donny will never be able to fill her due to how messed up she is in her head. She is much as a bait on the end of a hook; thinking she is the only bait out there; what she doesn't realize is the fish that swim by and choose to 'take a bite' will also bite at the next bait that is offered. She isn't any more special than any other woman (as she thinks she is), she is simply AVAILABLE!!
 
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September 29, 2005, 8:29 pm PDT

Oh come on...

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I would like to thank Miranda for re-affirming my belief in the women of today!  Her husband should cut his losses now, line her up on the 20 yard line and punt her through the goal post of divorce court.  Then he can make money, rent love and be happy, for the rest of his life!  Er,, see my other posts in other message threads!   Take care....Voidheart. 

What is this nonsense? You've obviously been hurt before (who hasn't) maybe multiple times (who hasn't) but if you think Miranda is the typical woman then you need to get out more. There are millions of happy relationships all over the world. I have read your other postings.  Do you want to die at the end of your life lonely with a big wad of cash in your hand? Maybe you should stop acting like a victim and starting acting like you are in charge of your own destiny. If you haven't met "normal" women, then start looking in new places. If you keep finding women like Miranda, then maybe you should change your game plan. If it's not working, do something different. On the other hand, if you go through life with this "woe-is-me" attitude then you will probably find something wrong with every woman you meet. Just your screen name alone "Voidheart" pretty much tells us that you think of yourself as a victim and there's just nothing you can do about it.  You are looking through a horribly distorted filter and it's time to stand up and take accountability for your life. I find it hard to believe that every ill in your life is from a woman. You are an adult and you make your own decisions. Start making more carefully-thought-out decisions, take accountability for your choices and get a better, more productive attitude. 

 
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September 30, 2005, 12:22 pm PDT

Can Someone explain to me

I am a married lady and I don't understand why some women stop having sex after they get married when they were doing it before they got married.  My husbad really "rings my chimes" and he always has.  I consider this just one of the many things we have in common.  We both golf, we both fish, we both read and we both like sex.    To me our great love life is one of the many things that make our marriage work.  We have been together for three years and married for one year and I am still as in love with him now as I was a week after we met. 

 
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October 1, 2005, 12:49 am PDT

09/26 The Honeymoon's Over!

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I am a married lady and I don't understand why some women stop having sex after they get married when they were doing it before they got married.  My husbad really "rings my chimes" and he always has.  I consider this just one of the many things we have in common.  We both golf, we both fish, we both read and we both like sex.    To me our great love life is one of the many things that make our marriage work.  We have been together for three years and married for one year and I am still as in love with him now as I was a week after we met. 

it isn't just women it is also men, but I understand exactly what you are saying. I am still in love with my hubby (even though he does drive me batty at times....) and we have been married 12 in a half years. Of course we never had sex before we were married, we waited til we could committ and made the vows which we take very serious. I think people just take marriage so lightly that they don't think sex is that great of a deal I guess, since they have made the vows "til death do us part". But who knows!! I actually feel bad for those who are in those kind of marriages where the romance and desire fades away which I believe stems from the lack of understanding that marriage takes work and it isn't just one big honey moon all the time. Any way, just my thoughts on the matter.
 
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October 1, 2005, 1:09 am PDT

Friend, Brother vs Fiance

 I just watched this episode this evening thanks to Tivo.  I have been with my boyfriend 10 years as of next month. We've lived together all 10 years, own a home, have the dog, etc.. No kids. I'm 32 and continue to struggle with marrying him or not. We've been engaged for 4 years and it is a running joke with my clients and family "when are you going to get maried".  Does anyone else take off their engagement ring when they are mad at their fiance like I do? Does anyone else feel somedays like you are more like roommates, big brother sister relationship or just good friends?  Does anyone else suffer from day in and day out routine that sex isn't even part of the relationship? Months can go by without any sexual contact.
Here's the million dollar question..when and how do you know if it's time to break off the relationship?
Nice guy-adores me, puts up with my bitching (his #1 complaint about me) and that it's never good enough. We have different goals, values and expectations in life. He's a setteler, I'm a go getter.
I'm saving for retirement, he's not. I'm a white collar worker, he's a blue collar worker that makes enough just to get by.  Talks about wanting all of these great things but doesn't do what it takes to make it happen.
Let's face it everyone has issues in relationships, there isn't one that is PERFECT!!  I'm beginning to realize though that there are varying degrees of hardships or compatibility levels and I guess it's up to the person that's in the relationship to determine if they can handle the levels on hand, correct?

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October 1, 2005, 7:12 am PDT

09/26 The Honeymoon's Over!

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I am so surprised at how many woman felt sorry for Donny and want him.  What a pathetic putz.  Does it really matter if she slept with 27 guys or 40 guys?  Her past is her past.  Either he loves her or he doesn't.  Maybe after living with a needy, butt kissing, control freek that must be terrible in bed, maybe these woman wouldn't be so happy to be house wife number 3.
 

I'll bet the real Donnie was nothing like what we saw on TV. We saw the results of loving a narcissist.
Miranda sucked the life out of him, and if he can only find the strength to get away, I'm sure he can heal and get his old self back.
 
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October 1, 2005, 12:00 pm PDT

09/26 The Honeymoon's Over!

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 I just watched this episode this evening thanks to Tivo.  I have been with my boyfriend 10 years as of next month. We've lived together all 10 years, own a home, have the dog, etc.. No kids. I'm 32 and continue to struggle with marrying him or not. We've been engaged for 4 years and it is a running joke with my clients and family "when are you going to get maried".  Does anyone else take off their engagement ring when they are mad at their fiance like I do? Does anyone else feel somedays like you are more like roommates, big brother sister relationship or just good friends?  Does anyone else suffer from day in and day out routine that sex isn't even part of the relationship? Months can go by without any sexual contact.
Here's the million dollar question..when and how do you know if it's time to break off the relationship?
Nice guy-adores me, puts up with my bitching (his #1 complaint about me) and that it's never good enough. We have different goals, values and expectations in life. He's a setteler, I'm a go getter.
I'm saving for retirement, he's not. I'm a white collar worker, he's a blue collar worker that makes enough just to get by.  Talks about wanting all of these great things but doesn't do what it takes to make it happen.
Let's face it everyone has issues in relationships, there isn't one that is PERFECT!!  I'm beginning to realize though that there are varying degrees of hardships or compatibility levels and I guess it's up to the person that's in the relationship to determine if they can handle the levels on hand, correct?

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why are you even living with this guy!!Remember, we teach people how to treat us, so evidently he is doing what he is aloud to do. you have been with this guy for 10 years and he isn't worth marrying so why are you still there? You must be getting some kind of satisfaction here. I really don't mean to sound harsh but I just don't understand how a person can live with some one and put up with things like this for so long but then they complain and can't seem to get any where. Why don't you just pack up and leave or boot him out.....................................
 
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October 1, 2005, 1:45 pm PDT

How to get that Gold Band.......

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 I just watched this episode this evening thanks to Tivo.  I have been with my boyfriend 10 years as of next month. We've lived together all 10 years, own a home, have the dog, etc.. No kids. I'm 32 and continue to struggle with marrying him or not. We've been engaged for 4 years and it is a running joke with my clients and family "when are you going to get maried".  Does anyone else take off their engagement ring when they are mad at their fiance like I do? Does anyone else feel somedays like you are more like roommates, big brother sister relationship or just good friends?  Does anyone else suffer from day in and day out routine that sex isn't even part of the relationship? Months can go by without any sexual contact.
Here's the million dollar question..when and how do you know if it's time to break off the relationship?
Nice guy-adores me, puts up with my bitching (his #1 complaint about me) and that it's never good enough. We have different goals, values and expectations in life. He's a setteler, I'm a go getter.
I'm saving for retirement, he's not. I'm a white collar worker, he's a blue collar worker that makes enough just to get by.  Talks about wanting all of these great things but doesn't do what it takes to make it happen.
Let's face it everyone has issues in relationships, there isn't one that is PERFECT!!  I'm beginning to realize though that there are varying degrees of hardships or compatibility levels and I guess it's up to the person that's in the relationship to determine if they can handle the levels on hand, correct?

Lost in the Midwest,
Me
Probably the best way to get him to marry you is to:  break up with him and start dating someone else.  Tell him you love him, but marriage is important to you.  I mean this is 10 years and you live and own things together.  I don't think you should feel bad about bringing it up at this point.  Go get a new outfit and get your nails and hair done yada yada and go out and meet someone, but let this guy know what you are up to.  If he loves you and wants to spend the rest of his life with you:  This should get you that little Gold Band.  Well it  should at least get you some roses........  Guys have this thing in them called:  CONQUEST.  It is this Fred Flinstone thing where they want to conquer and competitively win you.... AND they think they are right about everything and somehow you have to tell them something and make them think they thought of it or else they won't believe it.....
 
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