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Created on : Friday, September 23, 2005, 04:43:49 pm
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(Original Airdate: 09/27/05) It's a game many kids call "Space Monkey," or "the choking game," but the consequences could be deadly. Robin witnessed her 14-year-old daughter and her friends giggling, choking and passing out. But what Robin saw was no laughing matter. Find out why her daughter enjoys the game, despite its dangerous repercussions. Then, Sarah's 13-year-old son made headlines when he died playing the choking game. How can she move past the guilt? Plus, Dr. Phil addresses a trend that looks innocent on the surface, but can affect teens in the worst way.  Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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January 23, 2006, 7:11 pm PST

I can't imagine...

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Hello we are the parents of Erich Winters, a 15 year old boy who died on December 18th  by playing the "Choking Game" or "Space Monkey" by himself. He was found by his 13 year old brother who walked in only to see a belt around his neck that was tied to the top bunk bed. Erich's knees were on the ground still and he was leaning in to the bottom bunk. We would like to share our story with the entire nation and inform parents that this is not a game but a deadly trend that must be talked about. Please if anyone has questions or comments please email us at erichsstory@yahoo.com . Thank You for the show.          Sincerely, Robert and Christine Pedrosa  

It's very shocking for a 13 year old to find a family member dead...and to find that someone died from such game. Here's a thought provoker...if this is dangerous enough to kill someone, why is it called a game? Game's are suppose to be fun, right? Not lead to death. 

Another thing is a lot of people have lost someone to this "game"...And it is sad. I can't imagine such a situation. Although, what's "Thank You for the show" mean? That's what confuses me...Dr.Phil's show? (@.@)--i'm confused... 

 
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January 24, 2006, 12:38 pm PST

re: Thank you for the show

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It's very shocking for a 13 year old to find a family member dead...and to find that someone died from such game. Here's a thought provoker...if this is dangerous enough to kill someone, why is it called a game? Game's are suppose to be fun, right? Not lead to death. 

Another thing is a lot of people have lost someone to this "game"...And it is sad. I can't imagine such a situation. Although, what's "Thank You for the show" mean? That's what confuses me...Dr.Phil's show? (@.@)--i'm confused... 

Hi what i meant is thank you for getting the information out into the airwaves that this is a deadly "decision" and parents need to be informed about it. Dr. Phils show decided that this was a topic that needed to be discussed so what i was saying was thank you for your decision to air this show and educate parents and children on this deadly "game". And I agree with you about this not being a "game" but some kids think it is a game and don't understand the deadly results of it.
 
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January 24, 2006, 12:48 pm PST

Sarah could you please help

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   It is my hope that when this show airs, teachers, school administrators,doctors, medical examiners and coroners will start to take this seriously: I pray that teachers and school administrators especially, will start to warn and educate about this deadly game. It would be a small matter for them to include warning and educating about this thrill seeking 

(LtoR Samuel,Me,Elizabeth,Arthur and Gabriel...We miss him.) behavior into pre existing curriculam such as 'drug awareness' 'red ribbion week', etc.  I wish I had known this game killed and continues to kill children. There have been five other deaths from this game since Gabriel's in May of 2005. 

  Thank you Dr. Phil for seeing the urgency and importance of informing the public. Thank you so much Amy, Gaylin and Astra for sticking it out with us. Russell, oh you sweet man you! Thank you for being so kind to Samuel... I will always be grateful that it was this group of people who worked with us! 

   Much fondness and, 

   Still Loving All Four Of My Children, 

   Sarah 

 

http://StillLovingMyGabriel.com 

 

 

Hi Sarah 

 First We would like to say I am very sorry for your loss of Gabriel. I would also share with you that we also know how you feel, we just lost our 15 tear old son Erich Winters to the same "game". He was also found by his brother and your story is exactly similar to ours all the way down to the bunkbed and a belt. What we are asking is how do you get through each day. What are some of the steps that you are taking to move on. Please due to the striking similarities of our stories we would like to talk to you. My wife is having a very very hard time with this and i feel that you could have some encouraging words for her so please contact us at erichsstory@yahoo.com  please... 

 Thank you very much for your time and again our Heart, Thoughts and Prayers go out to you and your son.         Sincerely, Robert and Christine Pedrosa 

 
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February 10, 2006, 9:31 am PST

To The Parents Of Erich Winters

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Hi Sarah 

 First We would like to say I am very sorry for your loss of Gabriel. I would also share with you that we also know how you feel, we just lost our 15 tear old son Erich Winters to the same "game". He was also found by his brother and your story is exactly similar to ours all the way down to the bunkbed and a belt. What we are asking is how do you get through each day. What are some of the steps that you are taking to move on. Please due to the striking similarities of our stories we would like to talk to you. My wife is having a very very hard time with this and i feel that you could have some encouraging words for her so please contact us at erichsstory@yahoo.com  please... 

 Thank you very much for your time and again our Heart, Thoughts and Prayers go out to you and your son.         Sincerely, Robert and Christine Pedrosa 

I am so very sorry that you have lost your boy,  Erich. I replied to this message from you, sending it to your personal e mail. I hope that you got it, as it was some time ago.  

This is the hardest thing I've ever encountered. I can imagine nothing worse.  

  You ask how am I getting through this..? There is a support group online at yahoogroups.com: 

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/supportforthosethatlostachildtothechokinggame/ 

there are many parents that have joined who lost their children as we did. For me, I have three incredible children who love me so well; although I am a changed person, a changed woman and a changed Mom they continue to remind me of why I have to get through this. It is not easy.  Every day is a day without Gabriel and the void is unbearable at times. I've read this quote so often... "grief is not something you get over, it is something you go through". No one grieves the same and though there are different stages of grief, there is no order .. one tends to go through a 'stage' only to find themselves going through it again at some point.  

  I also believe the urgency and desperateness I feel to warn other parents about this deadly activity has kept me from going completely ....... insane. Insane with the grief, the saddness of it all. Their is no answer, save for one's faith. My faith teeters and I question so many things now. Without 'hope' though, I have nothing. I am, a Mom missing her child.. the pain.. only those who have endured can relate .. totally.  The sun rises and the sun sets. Each day is unpredictable yet I've had days now where I am not consumed. Thank God.  I hope this finds you well...... I think of you often.  

Love to you, 

Sarah 

 
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February 23, 2006, 6:09 pm PST

Stupid game

This message is to all who have lost a child to this stupid game, or who know someone doing this. 

I am the mother of a son who died at age 11 playing this game. I had never heard of it & had no idea. I found him 3 days after he turned 11 dead next to his bunk bed with a belt around his neck & tied to his top bunk. No parent should ever have to see their child like this. But unfortunately this happens much more than anyone ralizes, and I understand the hurt. 

This issue really needs to be talked about at PTA meetings, and introduced into the DARE program. This game is the same thing as doing drugs or playing Russian Roulette. The problem is there are a lot of people, parents inparticular, who have never heard of this game & have know idea what their children are doing. If we don't know about it then we can't know waht to look for & what to talk to our children about.  

I do not want this to happen to anyone else, and I firmly believe the only way we can get a handle on this problem is by talking to our children & letting them be honest with us.  

  

Love & prayers to all 

 
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February 23, 2006, 6:21 pm PST

De ja vous

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It's very shocking for a 13 year old to find a family member dead...and to find that someone died from such game. Here's a thought provoker...if this is dangerous enough to kill someone, why is it called a game? Game's are suppose to be fun, right? Not lead to death. 

Another thing is a lot of people have lost someone to this "game"...And it is sad. I can't imagine such a situation. Although, what's "Thank You for the show" mean? That's what confuses me...Dr.Phil's show? (@.@)--i'm confused... 

I know exactly what you are going through, I found my 11 year old son with a belt around his neck that was tied to his top bunk. He looked like he was praying & I didn't see the belt at first.  

"thank you for the show" means thank you for talking about this and getting the word out. This has been going on for a lot longer than most people realise. The police told me the reason I had never heard of this, even though the statistics are so high, is because the families this happens to are either too embarassed or too ashamed to talk about it because of what it is really called. In adults it's called "Auto erotic asphyxiation" which mean they're doing it for sexual reasons. 

  

Love and prayers  

 
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March 13, 2006, 2:25 pm PST

I'm so glad this got you to talk to your son!

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MY CHILD WOULD NEVER play such a STUPID GAME such as that "choking game"....RIGHT? Ummm, WRONG...... 

 

My mouth dropped while watching the show about Teen Trends last month. I was just shocked that something like that was actually occuring with kids......BUT, I comforted myself with the thought "Well, that is terrible but MY kids would NEVER do such a stupid thing"....HA HA HA! Here is what happened: 

 

I had been waiting for the right moment to non-chalantly ask my 14 year old son if he had ever heard of such a game. I figured this was the best way to open dialogue with him without making his defenses come up. Then came the perfect opporunity. He and I were all alone for a while at home  and he was sort of hanging around me in the kitchen. So, I tried to slide in a conversation that led to my subtle line of quesitoning.  

 

 At first he said he had never heard of anything called "Space Monkeys", but as I proceded to tell him it was a game that had to do with choking, he became quiter.  So, I asked him if HE had ever known anyone that had done that, or heard kids talking about something similar. He said, "yeah, I've heard of something like that". While I was walking to the pantry to gather some ingredients for the meal I was making, I, once again, NONCHALANTLY said "have you ever done it"? HE said "no". I was relieved, but as I reached up to the shelf for flour, something deep inside me (call it my mom-instinct) told me he was lying. I didn't want to accuse him of lying.....I mean, I remember feeling confronted by MY parents growing up and the last thing a teen wants to do is have their parent trick them into confessing something, SO, I said "hmmmm, you know...for some weird reason I am thinking you may have participated somehow......honey, did you"? Well, that was all it took. He told me the story.....He had been at his father & stepmom's house last summer when his older stepsister "did it" to him and a friend. He said it wasn't a big deal but I explained what I had seen and heard on Dr. Phil's show, especially how a medical Doctor sure thought it was a BIG DEAL in regards to  how much damage really occurs to the brain and body, not to mention the threat of death. He had no idea it could hurt a person. He told me he had been very stupid to let someone choke him and it opened up a great conversation from there regarding peer pressure and not succuming to it, etc. He is the kind of kid who is usually a little afraid of doing anything that could harm him or someone else, so I KNOW IF HE WOULD DO IT< NO KID IS IMMUNE TO TRYING THIS. 

 

 

His stepdad and I are SO THANKFUL for Dr. Phil and Robin. I do believe their SHOW makes a difference.  

 

To the people who shared their strories that day.....THANK YOU.  My heart especially goes out to the single mom of twins, one of whom had died.  She really seems HONEST, though, and I have high hopes she will work her way through her grief and into becoming the mother her other son so desperately needs. 

 

 

Thanks again for the SHOW and I guess I NEED TO TAKE MY MOMMA'S ADVICE NEXT TIME by writing such words as "my kid would never" ON CHOCOLATE, because I JUST MAY HAVE TO EAT THOSE WORDS someday! 

That was the whole reason Alyssa and I chose to do the show.  Since being on the show I've had numerous parents come tell me how brave I was.  I sure didn't feel brave but it feels good to know that some people learned something from it.  We haven't had all good responses however.  A few parents don't want their kids coming out to our house anymore.  Yeah, like I'm going to leave the kids unsupervised ever again!  These kids didn't just play this at "our" house, they did it at others'.  One of the parents who won't let her daughter come here is in total denial.  Her daughter is one that was really pressuring Alyssa to do it some more.  She was totally into it.  She even went so far as to say (after the show) she was going to keep doing it because she liked it.  Alyssa and her friends told her she was crazy.  After the show aired though she said she wasn't going to do it!  YEA!!!   

  

Alyssa has taken a lot of grief at school for being on the show.  A few of the kids said "oh, there's the girl who plays the choking game"...jerks.  She's not happy with how the show went because she thinks it made her look dumb.  Don't all teens think adults make them look dumb?  BUT she knows that it helped some kids so that part is okay with her. 

  

Anyway...glad you and your son were able to talk about it.  Who knows, maybe him talking to about it will spur him to talk to kids who do it and get them to stop. 

  

Robin 

 
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March 22, 2006, 6:34 am PST

My story is so similar

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I know exactly what you are going through, I found my 11 year old son with a belt around his neck that was tied to his top bunk. He looked like he was praying & I didn't see the belt at first.  

"thank you for the show" means thank you for talking about this and getting the word out. This has been going on for a lot longer than most people realise. The police told me the reason I had never heard of this, even though the statistics are so high, is because the families this happens to are either too embarassed or too ashamed to talk about it because of what it is really called. In adults it's called "Auto erotic asphyxiation" which mean they're doing it for sexual reasons. 

  

Love and prayers  

First and foremost my most heartfelt sympathies go to everyone going through the loss of a child - there truely is nothing like the hole left in this world when a child dies. 

  

I too found my 11 year old son with his belt around his neck attached to the top rail of his bunkbed on October 5th 2005.  Dylan was a happy-go-lucky little guy who had no idea what he was 'playing' with would take his life 2 days later.  I have created a website and a Educational Foundation to expedite delivery of information to parents, children and authorities: 

  

The Dylan Blake Foundation  

www.Dylan-the-boy-Blake.com 

  

Families with the same terrible horrific stories need to make sure this doesn't continue to happen to naive children, please come forward, share your grief,  show the true numbers of the Choking Game.  I also hadn't heard of the 'game' until Dylan was in the PICU, too alte for me to have a conversation with him.  AeA or not,  the public needs to informed and aware.  Because of the lack of education, this activity is considered 'safe' by those who partake in to - purely out of ignorance of the dangers. 

  

Passing out is not worth Passing AWAY! 

  

Sincerely,  

Kate Blake (Dylan's Mom) 

kate@dylan-the-boy-blake.com 

  

 
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May 24, 2006, 5:57 pm PDT

Concerned About Our Youth

Today I heard the tragic news of a family friends 12 year old boy found dead after playing the Choking Game.  http://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=17738  

How does a 12 year old find out how to play such deadly games?  How does this happen to such a young soul?  All though I have no children of my own, I'm a very concerned Aunt of 10 nieces & nephews and 11 Great nieces & nephews.  How do we, as adults, discuss this with our youth without getting the usual "I Don't Know" answers?  What are some signs to look for if we suspect a child may be playing this game?   

 
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October 25, 2006, 9:27 pm PDT

the choking game in syracuse, ny?

Within the past week a 6 year old child died.  His mother found him tethered to his doorknob with a belt around his neck.  She told the media that he was probably copying the moves of the wrestlers that he adores.  Several days later his 12 year old friend also died in the same manner.  I called the syracuse police and told them about this episode.  They were unaware of this "game."  Perhaps the 6 year old was imitating his older friends.  Currently they are investigating this.  As I was telling a family member about calling the police my 14 year old son said, "That's not how you play!  You breathe fast and someone squeezes you around the waist and you faint.  You don't tie a belt around your neck!"  Imagine!  I was clueless that he knew about this game.  We discussed your show and he swears he will never do it again.  Thank you for allowing this discussion and getting this important information out there.
 
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