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Created on : Friday, September 23, 2005, 04:43:49 pm
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(Original Airdate: 09/27/05) It's a game many kids call "Space Monkey," or "the choking game," but the consequences could be deadly. Robin witnessed her 14-year-old daughter and her friends giggling, choking and passing out. But what Robin saw was no laughing matter. Find out why her daughter enjoys the game, despite its dangerous repercussions. Then, Sarah's 13-year-old son made headlines when he died playing the choking game. How can she move past the guilt? Plus, Dr. Phil addresses a trend that looks innocent on the surface, but can affect teens in the worst way.  Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 1, 2005, 7:42 am PDT

a real shocker

I'm only 14 years old. I thought nothing like this could ever happen to someone my age. I thought wrong. The day before this show aired a kid from the high school across town fell victim to this stupid game. He died at the age of 14, and I'm sure he thought he was untouchable too. Now his parents have to lay him to rest wondering what he would have become if he hadn't died at such a young age.  I have to wonder what would have happened if he'd seen the show, maybe things would be different now. Maybe I wouldn't have to see his friends crying,feeling guilty because they think they should have known, maybe he'd be just another freshmen trying to keep his head above the waves, getting used to high school, instead of what he is, the kid who choked to death trying to get high. R.I.P #60 gone but never forgotten. 

 
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October 1, 2005, 11:34 am PDT

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Cathy, I am so sorry--your post was not the one I intended to reply to--YOU were the EMT who was so kind and understanding.  Thank you from the bottom of my heart--if I called 911, I would pray to get a person just like you!   God Bless, Stephanie
thats ok no problem .I know its easy to mix the posts up.LOL thanks again steph for your reply.Good luck to you and your family.cathy
 
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October 1, 2005, 12:08 pm PDT

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I'm only 14 years old. I thought nothing like this could ever happen to someone my age. I thought wrong. The day before this show aired a kid from the high school across town fell victim to this stupid game. He died at the age of 14, and I'm sure he thought he was untouchable too. Now his parents have to lay him to rest wondering what he would have become if he hadn't died at such a young age.  I have to wonder what would have happened if he'd seen the show, maybe things would be different now. Maybe I wouldn't have to see his friends crying,feeling guilty because they think they should have known, maybe he'd be just another freshmen trying to keep his head above the waves, getting used to high school, instead of what he is, the kid who choked to death trying to get high. R.I.P #60 gone but never forgotten. 

Hi there for someone who is so young you sure seem to be so mature.If only more kids your age could see this also.We wouldn't have to be saying good bye to friends .take care sweetie sorry about the tragidy of that young guy.
 
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October 2, 2005, 1:50 pm PDT

So Sorry--I KNOW

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Sarah you did it!!! I am so happy that you are able to get on the show to tell the world about this deadly game. I am having all of my nephews and neices and children watch this. I am sooooooo proud of you! Once this show airs, many lives will be changed forever and parents will become more aware of this. Thank you for sharing Gabriels story with all of us. GOd Bless you and your family. jb7ctx

Sara, 

   I was too, so proud of you expaining Gabe's life story.  You are very strong and have a kind spirit.  The show touched me deeply, my child too died from what was ruled a suicide.  I know have knowledge that it may have not been--no note--her H.S. cheerleading squad, at least one cheerleader was into this--and, her sorority sisters confirmed this practice being on the UGA campus--also said that it originated from the GA Tech campus--this is where my 19 year-old daughter's boyfriend went to school.   

   Please do not let people let you feel guilty for not being there for your other son--and YOU should not feel guilty either.  Everyone grieves in their own way and this process takes time--whose to say how much unless you have been there.  Right?  Well I have as well.  And, I still am taking day by day.  I too have basically "not been there at all: for my daughter, then 5, now just turned 6 and in first grade.  YOU have to get better before you can help ANYONE--please know that in years to come, he will understand what you went through.  Right now, he is a precious part of your life, but, still very young.  Maybe my child was so young and never saw ,"Sissy" hanging, is how I am "getting off"  a little easier than you.  Other will not understand, but YOU will. Not only do you have the guilt of Gabe's death, but also, sending your others to wake him for school.  I could say something STUPID like, "It's not your fault--you didn't DO anything wrong as a parent," but, you and I both know how shallow those words are.  If you EVER need to speak to someone please email me.  I am so sorry for your loss.  I plan to spend tonight visiting his website.  Hope that helps you some--I have ofeeling it may.  I will honor him...............Stephanie            Also, I wanted you to know that the following day, I contacted Courtney's HS counselor and explained this show, your story, and how it may be on the campus.  She promised to follow-up. 

 
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October 3, 2005, 5:52 am PDT

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I am new to these boards. When i watched Dr.Phils shows last week I knew I had to get on here. This show in particular really shead chills up my spine. I had done some stupid things as a teenager but nothing like this ever crossed any of our minds. I had no idea that people would think this be fun.  I know teens do experiment and what not ..but allowing someone to choke you till you pass out...I have no words.  

Do people not know that tis can kill you?  Do people not know that if you choke someone and they die you  go to jail for murder?  

This whole show shocked me to no end, I am still feeling uneasy about it. I have children and if kids are doing this now what will they be doing when my kids are older.  

The thing that caught me off guard during the show was the mother of the girl on stage had said in a previous taped interview that she was worried that if her daughter could be talked into doing this then she would be easily persuaded into using drugs. Did I just hear that??????...As if drugs were worse.  

  

 
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October 4, 2005, 3:06 am PDT

This Is Not a NEW Trend! Kids have been dying for years from it!

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  My son Gabriel Harry Mordecai died on May 6, 2005 at the age of 13 years. Gabriel played a game and lost.This game goes by many names: Black Out, Pass Out, Choking, Fainting, Strangle, Flatline, California High, Funky Chicken and Space Monkey to name a few. If you are reading this, please send this message on; Please spread the dangers of this game; Our schools need to implement a program into one of it's existing programs on thrill seeking behavior, such as drug abuse and illicit sex. They teach our kids not to share needles, where to get birth control..They can teach them not to hold their breath! Lives are being saved.. Pray and DEMAND the media STOPS saying "new' and  recent," instead DEMAND they start saying Kids Have Been Dying As A Result Of This Choking Game for decades ! This game has thrived on ignorance. Some think that if you introduce a child to 'something' you are opening a can of worms, giving them ideas. I say better your ideas are given than that of another who knows how to play this game. Beware people, kids teach kids this game; those kids teach other kids! I played this game when I was 11-12 years old! I did not like it; however I did try it more than once in the hopes of liking it. 42 years of age is a heck of a time to learn the physiological effects of lack of oxygen to the human body. I wish I had known that some kids become addicted to this asphyxiation game, that this was a practice that has and continues to kill our children. Each and Every state needs to re-evaluate, at their OWN cost each and every single 'death' of an adolescent who's death has been classified 'suicide' or 'auto erotic asphyxia, by strangulation, or aspyxiation.  There are five things that are looked for when looking at the possibility classifying a death as suicide or AeA: I bet, I KNOW these five signs were and are not met, on many of these deaths. I know many of these classifications have been made based only the on the childs body position when found. Many times the family is not even spoken with!  IE, the childs being found as hanging, ...etc. These officials, Medical Examiners (ME's) and Coroners need to suck it up here, to bite the bullet and admit their pre mature classification on thousands and thousands of these wrongly classified deaths. There is no way that this should be able to be ignored any longer. Every single retired teacher, counselor, adiministrator, ME, Coroners, law enforcement employees who are hearing of this current 'outbreak' and this is jarring their memories, well let's hope they have integrity and will do the right thing..Talk about it, FIX IT!  Go and give some of these families who think their child has killed themselves some peace! Let them have the oppurtunity to re visit their childs friends, ask questions!   Samuel 13, Arthur 18,  Elizabeth 21, and Gabriel 13  My Four  Samuel,Arthur, Elizabeth and Gabriel under his Sissy's arm var onload_orig = window.onload; window.onload = function () { if( onload_orig != null ) onload_orig(); preload = new Image(); preload.src = 'http://stilllovingmygabriel.tripod.com/pictures_of_gabriel_and_us/thumbnails/400x300/gabe47.jpg'; }   http:StillLovingMyGabriel.com     Gabriel Harry Mordecai
                          July 31, 1991~May 6, 2005                    
We miss you Gabe; We will never stop and we will always know that you are one of us, every day of every year that we are alive. Gabriel Harry, you are my boy, my son, I still have the need and instinct to be your Mom, to take care of you. It will never go away, I will never stop being and needing to be your Mom ster. How special you always are. God bless you lil' man of mine..
                      Loving you, oh so much, Mom, Sissy Bear, Arthur and Samuel ....
   
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Oh, and if you happen to be a Coroner, ME, EMT or police officer who is reading this? I want to plant a seed.. try this: If a child playing this game,  falls or lands differently than they thought they would, and if they were SITTING on their BUNK BED, do you think it is POSSIBLE that they, at the time of unconsiousnes, FELL, ROLLED OR SLID OFF THE BED? NOT JUMPED?
That ME in North Carolina really blew it when he said he knew Bryson meant to kill himself; that if Bryson hadn't meant to he would have had an emergency device, that he would not have jumped off the bunk bed. Oh my goodness... Bryson was 12 years old! How tall is that ceiling in Bryson's room? How much did Bryson weigh? How tall was Bryson? How sturdy was that bunk bed set? Bryson's death was classified as a suicide and the ME - Coroner never interviewed the family! Are you kidding me? Did the media and any other STATE OFFICIAL WHO HEARD THIS not have a problem with it? Yes, someone has started looking into North Carolina ... Bryson. This is anything but a new trend. The new trend should now be, Officials do their jobs with INTEGRITY and save lives; They do not dismiss due to their ignorance. They  acknowledge that 'UNKNOWN' or 'PENDING' are options when classifying deaths!        
 
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October 5, 2005, 11:24 pm PDT

Why the details of how to choke?

My concern watching this show was that the young girl told in such detail how to do the choking game.  What purpose does that serve?  My daughter has copied some dangerous behaviors she has seen and heard from other teens at school or on TV  which includes cutting her arms and sniffing sharpie pens.   

It does not matter if the show is done to show the harm these behaviors can do or that she could die, to hear the details of something is all it takes for her to try them.  I did not have her watch this show because my greatest fear was that she would try this game by herself and die.  She is in therapy now but can still be very easily influenced by what she sees and hears.   

 
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October 6, 2005, 4:56 pm PDT

09/27 Shocking Teen Trends

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Just a FYI on Adderall:  It is a prescription medication. It is an Amphetamine ( "upper") It is prescribed to children for the treatment of ADHD. This medication is taken recreationally for it's "high". This drug is dangerous when abused- it has a long list of side effects- some which can be life threatening such as high blood pressure and rapid heart rate. Young ppl should know that any medication- prescription or over the counter, can be DEADLY if not used correctly, such as under the directions of a doctor.  

  

Karen, RN 

 

 thanks for the info. I was just wondering how dangerous it could really be since it is approved by the FDA. Clearly because it is an amphetamine it would be dangerous for those with preexisting heart problems. But for young adults in good health, when used responsibly it seems like it shouldn't pose a health risk.
 
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October 10, 2005, 6:34 am PDT

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I am so sorry for all the children who have been lost to this game or to suicide in general.  I have received tons of emails and this is helping me tremendously.  If anyone would like to email me, please feel free--it helps me to deal with my loss.  I had accepted Courtney's death as suicide, however, I am rethinking this and doing research on ADA.  My child was 19 and such a beautiful, gifted, and talented young woman.  She was anything but depressed. She panicked over 60.00 worth of bad checks that turned into warrants.  One of her sorority sisters called to say that the police came by the sorority house to pick her up--she was at home.  She had decided not to return to the University of Georgia--and had, against my wishes at first, enlisted in the Navy. She was in the Nuclear Engineering program--this requires top military clearance, and is very difficult to get into--only the top 2-3 % test into this program--she did.  She was so excited about the new avenue she was about to take.  At first, I was not too thrilled and called her the night before she was to sign her contract at MEPS--about 2 am, I called.  The sound of laughter came across the phone.  I said, "Do not get on that bus to go to MEPS--I'm coming to Atlanta to get you."  She, in a very mature manner said, "Mom, it is late, I don't need your permission--but, I certainly would love to have your blessing."  I then reallized that my Courtney was a young adult.  I never had to worry about her--she never broke cerfew, was a straight A student, Beta Club, Spanish Club, Cheerleader....the list goes on and on--in her senior year, very competitive class, she was the girl voted "Most Likely to Succeed."  Very prestigious in our small town.  Thanks to everyone who reads this--it helps me to write.  Mom in paine...................Stephanie
 
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October 14, 2005, 9:34 pm PDT

Never To Me

While watching this show a few weeks ago, I thought, no one I know would ever do this. This past monday, my friend Kyle was found dead hanging in his basement. At first thought of as a suicide, Kyle's family and friends asked the question,Why? Kyle was a happy 7th grader. The death was ruled an acident last night. Kyle apparentley had been participating in this "game", which he found instructions for on the internet, since the summer. We are all very devastated. A 13 year old boy is dead due to a big mistake, and we cannot bring him back. I hope we can all spread awarness of this deadly game that is taking more and more young lives.


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