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Topic : 09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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Created on : Friday, September 23, 2005, 04:45:47 pm
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When Tom Cruise gave his opinion about the drugging of America, he created a firestorm of controversy. Are we an overmedicated nation? Dave and Jill feel as if their 7-year-old son is holding them hostage in their own home. He's on three medications, but his uncontrollable fits of rage are destroying their marriage. Is this a real medical issue or a parenting problem? Then, two women with powerful personal stories debate the "Cruise controversy." They both think their opinion is right, but what does Dr. Phil think? Plus, an outraged father confronts his ex-wife and demands that she stop medicating their 9-year-old son. Talk about the show here.

 

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September 29, 2005, 12:52 pm PDT

A Message from Dr. Frank Lawlis

For those interested in the evaluation of Adam and his behavior diagnosis, prior to the show, of ADHD, the preliminary results at the Psycho Neuro Plasticity Center (PNP) show his behavior to be attributable to many possible causes. But these causes would not have been known by his parents or his doctor before in-depth assessment and analyses. It was only through an intensive 16-hour evaluation and 12 consultations down at the clinic that he could be properly diagnosed. It would have been unreasonable for his parents to have alternative options for dealing with his behavior other than the care available in the community at that time. The preliminary results indicate that his problems were not related to inappropriate parenting skills. The family was acting appropriately for what was known at the time.
 
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September 29, 2005, 1:07 pm PDT

your son

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I found today's show interesting enough to come to this web site for more advice. 

  

My 16 yr old son was diagnosed with depression and ADD.  (After a series of psychological testing.) It wasn't until we started Adderall XR that he began cutting himself.  59 times in one evening to be exact.  He had only taken the drug for 10 days. 

  

He was put in a hospital with a Behavior Unit and they wanted to put him on a new drug used primarily for adults in treating schizophrenia!  After two days of the drug and much research done on line, I made the hospital stop giving him this drug. 

  

I asked that he be put on Strattera which is a non-stimulant for ADD.  Seven days after his release from the hospital, he attempted suicide by on overdose of sleeping pills.  He is back in the hospital. 

  

Dr. Phil stated a very important fact today ... you need a diagnosis before any drugs can be prescribed.  The hospital is treating his symptoms but will NOT test him to see if he is now bi-polar or schizoprenic. 

  

I really feel helpless and have to trust that they are prescribing the right medications.  When he gets out, I hope to get him into a Children's Home/School that will do further testing through our local school district. 

  

My son, although he showed signs of depression sometimes, had never inflicted any harm to himself or others.  And I want to know why????!!!!!!!! 

  

Hang in there, you have my support. 

  

Tammy 

Tammy, 

  

Beg them to test your son for bi-polar disorder, I found out that my neice who took her life after 

getting out of the psch unit, they gave her drugs for depression.  I have since found out that she 

should have been on a lithium based cocktail, that takes time to perfect for each person.   

My niece was just 16 yrs old., she took her life by hanging 6 weeks after she was given these medications.  She was bipolar not just baseline depressed, when we educated ourselves  

on the symtoms of bipolar, she had just about every one.    It is important that he get the right diagnosis and the right medication. 

  

I know I am not Dr.Phil, but unfortunately my family found too much, too late, we don't want happened to our neice to happen to another child. 

 
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September 29, 2005, 1:14 pm PDT

appropriate diagnosis

Dr. Phil - I am a family practice physician and had a regular practice for 12 years  and now I am practicing in an urgent care setting   When I watched your show on overmedication or inappropriate medication use  especially in children I was dismayed at the inadequacies of our abilities to diagnose emotional, mental disorders, etc.  I think that it is wonderful that there is such a clinic as Dr. Lawless has, but there are so many people, physicians and patients, who don't have access to that type of evaluation.    When parents brought children in they were so crying for help and believe me I don't believe in prescribing meds that aren't needed, but based on limitied availability of  extensive diagnostic  tools, I am afraid that many are prescribed drugs with good intentions, but probably incorrectly.  Where can we go for help on this? 

From a personal standpoint, I have suffered major depression and would not be alive if it weren't for antidepressants and good psychologists.  I think too often the public is looking for a quick fix with drugs and don't want to do the hard part of looking at their attitudes, choices, lives, etc. to help them get better.  Believe me I fought counseling for quite awhile, but when I wasn't getting any better I gave in and am so glad that I did.  I guess I just want people to know that there is an appropriate (and needed) place for drugs, but one must also do some hard work and make some lifestyle changes to get better. 

 
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September 29, 2005, 1:15 pm PDT

09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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 You wrote "the meds will NOT work if the child doesn't have the problem. " But what if the problem is NOT the kid? 

You know what.... I don't mean to come off sounding pissy, but I guess I'm really angry.  I'll tell you why. My nephew will be 7 years old next month. His mother put him on drugs last year, swearing her doctor said he had ADD.  In my mind, I think the kid's on his way to becoming a speed freak (Adderall is pure amphetamine-- will he be on street meth or speed as a teenager because he'll be addicted to it?.)

I'm angry because:
She feeds him a diet of 90% packaged foods, soda pop, candy, Slurpees, and junk.
She has no real "bed time" and lets him fall asleep "whenever" - on the sofa to the sounds of CSI-Miami!
She has a HUGE anger issue and is constantly yelling, screaming and beating on her husband (my brother) The house is usually in an uproar 99% of the time.
My brother leaves the house when the fights "get bad" so the kid sees his mom screaming and his dad walking out the door  ALL THE TIME. This is what he's learning.
She's "nice" when she gets her way, so the kid sees that acting insane WORKS.
His parents sit on their butts and yell at him, rather than get up and TEACH him, so he's learned to totally tune them out. No, he doesn't "listen." I wouldn't listen to a couple of loud-mouths either!
He acts like a zombie when he's on drugs and SHE PREFERS IT that way because it's easier!!!!! She can sit undisturbed around the house smoking, playing internet computer games and drinking Coke.

And now I get angry when people say DRUGS will help this kid, as you say,  "live a NORMAL life."  He doesn't  HAVE a normal life, and the reason why he can't focus or sit still, or "listen"  is because his entire LIFE IS CHAOS. This is what gets me very worked up about drugging kids. And I doubt this situation is unusual. I'm pretty sure many many families live in chaos due to divorce, remarriages, step/half siblings, moving, anger issues, etc. etc. etc.

Meanwhile.... when he's at grandma's house for 2-3 days and his body/mind become clear,  he eats no sugar, sleeps in a bed at 8pm, swims, exercises, learns, plays, helps grandma, has loads of fruits and vegetables, does VERY WELL in his Karate class, sits and reads, loves to do "big boy" stuff (like yard work!) and is a completely different kid.

(Side Note:  His mother and doctor decided to also put him on an ADULT DOSAGE of Singulair --don't forget the boy is 6 years old-- because the boy "has allergies". Well.... the mother smokes a pack of Marlboros a day, never opens a window in the house, and they have THREE cats using litter boxes and a hamster living in a cage of shredded "mulch."  The boy has "allergies" like he has "ADD")

This is why I get so ticked off and call it  "overmedicating."  Because I see the harm it's doing to my little nephew, I'm helpless to do anything, his mother is an uneducated slob who takes the easy road every time, and I'm angry about that.
I am sorry for your nephew, however if your read what you have written you will see that your issue is not so much  the treatment of ADHD with medication it is with your sister -n-law. Along with medication a child with adhd has to maintain a daily routine and get plenty of sleep.  My son has ADHD and after long period of time he was placed on medication with behavior modifications not just with him but our entire family envioronment.  I don't no your nephew's medical history however your brother and his wife need to look with in their selves and  come to terms with their lifestyle.  It is not overmedicating a child when he recieves proper treatment with the proper medicaiton and the right dose.
 
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September 29, 2005, 1:51 pm PDT

The 6yr old being medicated

I just finished reading your posting as well as a few others. My heart bleeds for your nephew. I too believe a MAJOR change in his life style will probably help just as much if not more than meds. It has taken me 25yrs of yo-yoing (bipolar/panic/anxiety disorder), and waiting for meds to catch up with the lack of side effects. However I was 43 not 6! 

I grew up with a bipolar mom & a very controlling, unpleaseable, perfectionistic dad who hated kids, I am pretty sure living with dad brought on the panic/anxiety. He loved to yell & put us down. Do people REALLY grow up & FORGET what it is to be young & a child? I promised myself at a young age NOT to forget. And I haven't. Read, read, read, anything you can get your hands on. Especially people who have gone through this, NOT some silly doctor that either doesn't know or doesn't care. I've learned people who have these experiences are much more supportive & knowledgeable than most shrinks. I will say prayers for your nephew & family. 

God Bless you, you special Uncle. 

Prayers being sent your way, 

Beth* Bipolar on meds, doing better in Colorado 

 

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September 29, 2005, 2:13 pm PDT

Brain Scans

Dr. Phil and Dr. Lawlis leep talking about using Brain scans to diagnose ADHD. Since when did this scan become part of a Pediatric Check-up? I am the parent of two wonderful boys, my oldest is 18 years old and a senior in high school his has severe Dyslexia. My youngest is 15 years old a freshman is high school diagnosed with mild dyslexia and Adhd.  

I looked into putting my 15 year old on Retalin earlier this year, I told my pediatrian about Dr. lawlis''s book The add answer, I even showed her important passages in the book. I then asked her if a brain scan could be preformed on Tony (my  son). She looked at me like I was crazy and said she had no grounds to request  this test. Blue Cross Blus Shield said the wouldn't pay for such a test. So where do I turn to now?  

I did not put my son on Retalin at his request he wants to try to handle is attention problems on his own. I know when I attend open house and report cards come out to see if he is handling his prolbem. If anyone has a diet change that could help please let me know, I did put him on mult-vitamins, that seemed to help. My email address is Territech2002@yahoo.com  

DR. Phil and Dr. Lawlis I hope you read this.  

 
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September 29, 2005, 2:18 pm PDT

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Please make sure your son recieves a thorough evaluation by mental health proffessionals. Your regular pediatrician really should not diagnose your child! Medication should be your last resort. My son began having problems at the age of 4, and it took about 1.5 years of therapy and various evaluations before a diagnosis was made. Do your homework- if a mediction is prescribed by a psychiatrists, read about the side effects and risks. Be an informed consumer, don't just listen to what other ppl have to say, read about the facts, and ask your Dr. and pharmacist! 

  

Karen Reuter, RN 

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September 29, 2005, 2:45 pm PDT

Thank you , Tom Cruise

Tom Cruise is right on the money.  I hope this opens peoples eyes that there are more than one solution and they should be explored.  What in the world is Brooke Shields so afraid of to give women choices when she said that Tom Cruise is doing a disservice to women?  When I read what she had said I thought the pharmaceutical company must have paid her to say that.  It seem so misplaced and closed minded.  Have she tried to improve her health through diet?  As a society we have been grossly misinformed, not any differently from cigarette companies.  I do hope Brooke Shields improves her health through diet so that her next pregnancy will not result in post-partum blues.  She deserves better. 
 
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September 29, 2005, 3:03 pm PDT

here we go aagain!

. I was born with a physical disability called spina bifida. i became incrediably depressed after i had severe falling outs with a group of friends who betrayed me, then i started to have one health problem after another. (growth spurt i guess) i asked to be put on medication in seventh grade, but the doctors refused because they thought "i'd get over it". I became nearly suicidial in the eighth grade, and the doctors still refused. I'd been in school counseling since the 4th grade, and they thought i should continue that. what helped me? simple. I was a big fan of the TV show Dawsons Creek, and to lift my spirits, my parents sent me to north carolina, to be an extra on the show. that, along with the fact that i started high school, and finally got to be with all my friends (i get along better with older kids) was a HUGE eomtional boost! however, happy or not, the stress of high school takes its toll on you, and in the 11th grade, i began having headaches, and because i have a shunt, we thought it was that. it wasnt. we went to a neurologist for a 500th opnion and after talking to me for 10 minutes, he said "your headaches are depression and stress related, because of your disabilitÿ", and he wrote me a prescritption for zoloft. Now was that SOO hard!

In a way, I'm glad i was put on medication when everything else was ruled out! my doctors really wanted to see what the problem was before jumping to conclusions. do i feel they waited too long? sometimes, yes. But it also forced to me to look at it as a last possible option, and to take care of it myself first.

i also realized that i was just looking for somewhere to be a child. part of my depression came from having to be so responsible and mature all the time. having to always do the right thing for my health. those once a week therapy sessions helped me because I found what i needed was, not to talk about my problems like others do, but to talk about stupid stuff. talk about boys, and school, and movies, and television.

I agree with tom that children are over-medicated. I know too many parents who treat medication as an "alternative parent". they are too busy dealing with work, bills and other things. they dont want to be responsible for entertaining their child, too. so they rely on drugs to do that for them.

I DONT agree with the example tom gave. he is a man, and knows nothing of post-partum depression. but i know many people (my family included) who also dont believe any sort of depression is real. they believe it is all a state of mind. i cant tell you how many times my family has told me to "get over myself".

My sister is a graduate of UC berkeley, and she has told me that there are ways of preventing depression. excerise plays a big part, as do vitamins and minerals. if you are healthy, your chances of getting it are less. My mom's friend has been a nurse for many years, and she also says that there are ways of decreasing your chances of becoming depressed, by leading an active lifestyle. does it still happen? yes. is it hormonal? it can be.

i think people are also being hypocritcal. there are many respectable doctors out there, fully certified, who also dont think PPD is a big deal, and no one is attacking them! 

 

Give Tom a break. I firmly believe he's trying to help and his heart is in the right place.  

 
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September 29, 2005, 3:07 pm PDT

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 I just have a question to all.  When you are walking through a store and see a child out of control what is your first thought?  I would probably say that many of you will answer "those parents don't have control of their kids".  I don't think not one of you can say you would think that there is a medical problem that needs attention or medication.  I don't believe in overmedicating, but I do believe in medication to control things.  I have an 8yr old son right now that has been diagnosed with ADHD by his school and doctor.  The one thing I do know is that his school work has improved and his behavior there also.  Right now we have him on Concerta that he takes in the morning and Stratera that he takes befroe bed.  Our doctor also gave us a small dose of Ritalin to give him when he has activities at night, but I must say I have a hard time giving it to him.  I think it is an easy way out.  But back to the question, honestly ask yourself, do you think you would ask the parents if there is a medical condition they have and that you comend them for not using medicine?  Or are you the type that would say you don't think there should be medication, but yet asume that those parents are bad parents and cant control their kids.  Bottom line, I think each case deserves its own specific type of control.  What gives you the right to say that about someone that is trying to help their kid when you would be the firtst to see them in a store or other public place and ridicule thier parents for not being good parents.  Does this mean you don't believe in any type of medical problem?
 
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