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When Tom Cruise gave his opinion about the drugging of America, he created a firestorm of controversy. Are we an overmedicated nation? Dave and Jill feel as if their 7-year-old son is holding them hostage in their own home. He's on three medications, but his uncontrollable fits of rage are destroying their marriage. Is this a real medical issue or a parenting problem? Then, two women with powerful personal stories debate the "Cruise controversy." They both think their opinion is right, but what does Dr. Phil think? Plus, an outraged father confronts his ex-wife and demands that she stop medicating their 9-year-old son. Talk about the show here.

 

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September 30, 2005, 7:24 pm PDT

09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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Just have to say that depression isn't always something you can just pull yourself out of !!! My life crumbled around me because I was told and believed that I should be able to 'just get over it'. In the hospital I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder and put on meds to stabilize my condition before I was released. Everyone is not as lucky as you, and your one sided statements may be harmful to someone else. I'm glad you pulled out of it ok, without meds. But for me, without meds, my kids would be orphans.
My views are not one sided. If you really read the post I said if you had severe problems and desperaly needed meds then by all means. I am not saying meds are a bad thing. I was mainly talking about in our kids.
 
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September 30, 2005, 7:39 pm PDT

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If you read my post, I said there are some kids that do not need meds. That comes from friends that didn't want to deal with their kids and put them on meds. I also said that if a child had a serious problem then by all means do whatever is necessary. Bi-Polar disorder, manic depressive, etc. is serious. I know all about depression, bi-polar, adhd/add, odd, and so on. I was not saying you were a lazy parent but there are some out there. I've seen them and watched their kids. It is funny how someone makes a post, not directing anything towards any one person but so many are quick to jump like I was talking to them directly. And yes I did have severe depression and it took along time but I was able to pull out of it. Maybe I was a lucky one because I too walk with God and am a christian woman. I would never come on your message or someone else's and bash them for the opinion. I never said meds were a bad thing but kids should be very closely monitored and not given meds unless there is a serious problem.  Reread the post a little more closely before judging me. People wouldn't be so quick to take it the wrong way if they were open minded.
I believe that no child needs to be medicated for ADHD/ADD whatever unless there is something seriously wrong with them. The schools told me 11 years ago that my daughter was hyper and needed meds. I was young so I believed what the doc said and put her on meds. She will now have to be on meds for the rest of her life. I have a 7 year old that is a little hyper but I refuse to take the easy way out and medicate hime. He is a active, typical, healthy boy that does not need meds. These parents need to learn to deal with it like I have instead of being lazy and putting them on medication to become zombies and keep them out of their hair. I think Tom hit the nail on the head with his comments. I just heard the same thing from Kevin Trudue and how natural remedies can cure these problems, not drugs. Go guys, you are on the right page. As a person gets older and feels they can't deal with life for some reason then they can get on medication all they want. But the issue on the show was mainly children I thought, not adults arguing because one can't take them and another one can't deal with depression on her own. Depression is something you can bring yourself out of. You have to have the will power and strength because I did it. Without meds I may add. I am not trying to down anyone but these people need to stop throwing s*** at Tom Cruise for voicing his opinion. They did didn't they when they came on the show. That is our God given right to freedom of speech and we all have different opions but I don't go around trashing people and tring to fight with people over it. I am an adult, mother, and wife. I have better things to do. You should do the same.     I highlighted the comments I took to heart in red. When you say you don't go around trashing people.. you basically had done that at the top of your message when you assumed parents put their kids on meds because they are lazy. I apologize if I took your message the wrong way but I took it for what I read and I was offended by the lazy parent statement that so many uninformed people seem to make. Medicating a child is not the easy way out and it is not fun either I might add.    I do want to say thank you for writing back and letting me know I had jumped the gun with my response. Have a peaceful evening, Tammy
 
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September 30, 2005, 8:11 pm PDT

for parents of angry child

This is to let you know you are not alone. For years my family thought i was crazy i knew something was wrong with my son since the age of two when he actually cut me with scissors, he cut my hand.  I had him extensively tested i swore i would never put my child on medication but he was so angry for a little boy.  The best place to have testing done is a local   Child and Youth development center in your area they actuall  test them it takes  two hours or more and at least three seperate visits. Another thing we had done was my son taken to a Child  neurologist  specializing in Pediatrics and my son had to get eeg's and mri's ..  they diagnosed him with a disorder known as partial complex seizures so you know this is   often misdiagnosed as turrets .. another thing  have him tested for aspergers ,,   watch his diet and food.. believe it or not  depakote has helped my sons outburst but it is a dangerous drug the doctors must do blood tests every year to every six months to check his levels. another thing is i guess i am lucky our school has  special class rooms for my child so he is not  with alot of other students he hates being crowded i am sure if your son was put in a smaller classroom  he would start doing a lot better.  make sure he has a lot of visual stimulation too, like  a schedule is so important for these children .   make sure they know ahead of time . and buying him five games is just rewarding him for bad behaviour make him earn them ,  say  like if you do good this many days you can get a sertifcate toward that game it is a third of the game then at the end of the month he can get the whole game . take control of  your life my son is now twelve and it took me over eight years to gain control of my life  this is my home and i now control it ..   like atv in room if it has cable, dvd , or vhs player let your son know those are privleges that are earned daily. i unplug  the main cable to my childs room. make video games computer and tv limited let him read a book instead , take the dvd , or vhs player for bad behavior.  i know how it feels to get hit kicked scratched and believe me this works , get your son in anger managment classes and the whole family needs to do counseling and  both parents need to find out through local sources if they offer parenting classes so you can both get on same page and start helping this child in other ways.
 
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September 30, 2005, 8:20 pm PDT

some doctors do that not parents

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I believe that no child needs to be medicated for ADHD/ADD whatever unless there is something seriously wrong with them. The schools told me 11 years ago that my daughter was hyper and needed meds. I was young so I believed what the doc said and put her on meds. She will now have to be on meds for the rest of her life. I have a 7 year old that is a little hyper but I refuse to take the easy way out and medicate hime. He is a active, typical, healthy boy that does not need meds. These parents need to learn to deal with it like I have instead of being lazy and putting them on medication to become zombies and keep them out of their hair. I think Tom hit the nail on the head with his comments. I just heard the same thing from Kevin Trudue and how natural remedies can cure these problems, not drugs. Go guys, you are on the right page. As a person gets older and feels they can't deal with life for some reason then they can get on medication all they want. But the issue on the show was mainly children I thought, not adults arguing because one can't take them and another one can't deal with depression on her own. Depression is something you can bring yourself out of. You have to have the will power and strength because I did it. Without meds I may add. I am not trying to down anyone but these people need to stop throwing s*** at Tom Cruise for voicing his opinion. They did didn't they when they came on the show. That is our God given right to freedom of speech and we all have different opions but I don't go around trashing people and tring to fight with people over it. I am an adult, mother, and wife. I have better things to do. You should do the same.     I highlighted the comments I took to heart in red. When you say you don't go around trashing people.. you basically had done that at the top of your message when you assumed parents put their kids on meds because they are lazy. I apologize if I took your message the wrong way but I took it for what I read and I was offended by the lazy parent statement that so many uninformed people seem to make. Medicating a child is not the easy way out and it is not fun either I might add.    I do want to say thank you for writing back and letting me know I had jumped the gun with my response. Have a peaceful evening, Tammy
so you know some doctors are the ones who do that and believe it or not alot of the meds has to with for some that if you do not do it the school and dr gang up on the parents and   try to take that child away or a nasty investigation in sues.  believe it or not though the parents can clearly state to the dr's i do not want a zombie or lathargic  child and the doctor have to  comply with there wishes.  start at the lowest and best med for children. i do agree alot of kids do not need to be on the meds it makes it harder on the parents and the children who do. a lot of family doctors are just  handing out diagnosis of adhd   and other stuff and putting kids on meds with out proper testing. those childrens parents also would benefit from parenting classes , and nutrient facts,  another thing if you suspect your a child has adhd a schedule helps those children out just as much as medication
 
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September 30, 2005, 8:57 pm PDT

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a couple years ago my daughter started having anxiety/panic attacks. the wierd thing about it is they usually happened in the middle of the night.  she would come downstairs....say a few words to me then pass out cold.  i could not believe it was such a thing as anxiety attacks so i had her checked for about every possibility.  i have a great family physician who put her on a very low dose of paxil and soon she was back to her normal self.  The thing i worry about are people who don't get these medications when they need them ....people who would listen to guys like tom cruise saying there is no need for them..   Without this medication my daughter would have become a vegetable on the couch who never wanted to leave her home.  How Tom Cruise can say the things he did about Brooke Shields....he has no idea what a woman goes through in the 9 months of pregnancy and the year afterwards.  The only thing each parent has to remember is to make sure you have a very good doctor....and research these drugs yourself!!!   I agree these drugs shouldn't be used for a lifetime....but there is a great need for them.  There is one thing i did learn about anxiety/panic attacks by going through this with my daughter.  At one point when my daughter started having the attacks while still on the drugs....my doctor suggested counseling.  I thought this would be a total waste of time....but went along with it anyway.  This one thing was the best advice ever.  Now she is totally off the medication....
 
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September 30, 2005, 9:00 pm PDT

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The fact that this has gone so far has just blown my mind. Who is tom cruise? Hes an actor. Hes an actor with no training in psychology and who has a degree from a performing arts college. He knows nothing of what he is talking about. Hes never had a bout with a serious mental illness. Hes just doing what actors do to make themselves seem more human: taking up a cause. At least some celebrites get involved with things that they have first hand knowledge of, and actually know something about, like Tori Amos with RAINN. This guy is ridiculous. Only after the scientology Elders or whatever started shoving their opinioMy mother is a psychologist, several members of my family have psychological disorders and several friends as well. I also, have had major OCD since age 12 and Im now 22. Ill admit that I dont know much about ADD and ADHD and whether kids are being overmedicated or not, but for this pompous guy to sit there and say that, Psychiatry is a crock. is absolutely ridiculous. Conditions like postpartum Depression and Schizophrenia are extremely serious, potentially deadly conditions. There have been women who have killed their children from PPD and many more who have thought about it. I currently have a friend who is recovering from it. To say that that can be fixed with some vitamin b and a walk around the lake, is absolutely ludicrous. The fact that people are actually taking his uneducated comments seriously just blows my mind. Women with PPD need therapy, if nothing else and they probably need medication. The fact that he is ragging on his ex for taking meds while she had PPD is evidence that nothing that comes out of this mans mouth should be taken seriously. He has no first hand knowledge of PPD, or any other type of serious mental illness. He doesnt have a psychology degree from an accredited institution. He has not hosted any types of studies or experiments. All the information he has to go on, is the one-sided information he is given by these Scientology people. Thats it. How dare he chastise her for something he knows nothing about. Schizophrenia is the same thing. It is a deadly condition that again, cannot be fixed with some calcium and a run on the treadmill. These people need medication daily to function minimally. Although I wouldnt wish Schizophrenia or PPD on anyone, I would love to see how his views would change, if he or someone close to him had the misfortune of having one of these diseases. While theyre sitting on the couch day after day deteriorating, not able to function/go to work/ or leave the house, having random outbursts and mumbling incoherently, would he be nonchalantly be giving him/her B12 shots and trying to get him/her to go to Golds Gym to exercise and FLUSH the Schizophrenia out of his/her system? My guess would be NO.

ns down his throat, is when he came out and took on this issue. Soon after that while hes getting all this press, he begins trying to recruit people like Oprah and Katie to join his religion. Perfect timing. To me, Tom Cruise speaking about psychology is like Jessica Simpson speaking about aeronautical engineering, and he should be disregarded.

After many trials, I finally found a medicine that made my OCD bearable. Without this medicine, along with cognitive behavioral therapy, I would still be flushing the toilet 42 times, washing my hands 42 times, brushing my teeth for 42 minutes, etc. Trust me, I couldnt be more healthy physically. Ive been a marathon runner since age 16 and a vegan since age 18. None of that worked, because its BS. I finally have my life back and Im now in med school. Medicine may not work for everyone and it may take awhile to find the right one, but for many it changes lives for the better. This so-called Cruise Controversy is ridiculous. He is an actor with no education on the subject, adopting a cause like actors do, trying to recruit new members and gain publicity by talking about stuff he knows nothing about.

How on earth would you know what Tom Cruise does or doesn't know? You assume he has no education on the subject. You assume he has gotten all his information from Scientologists. Have you ever had PPD? I had post-partum thyroiditis and I know that everyone assumed it was PPD and threw meds at me, which made me worse. Until you experience what others have, don't assume you know what you are talking about either. Tom Cruise has had the guts to stand up for people like me who have been victims of people like OBGYNs, psychiatrists, and the FDA and pharmaceutical industry. The FDA and drug companies do not give the patients taking these drugs any credit for their reports of adverse effects and it's time someone started listening to us instead of just the drug company slogans. If you want to tout how effective a drug has been for a friend or family member you also need to be willing to consider that these drugs don't work for others and are causing so many people added harm. Too many people are being labelled crazy when the drugs are making them worse. Too many people get subjected to higher doses or additional drugs or even ECT. There is absolutely a coverup going on and it took someone like Tom Cruise to get people talking about it. 

 

  

 
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September 30, 2005, 9:28 pm PDT

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If I may be frank, you are full of baloney! I suffer from clinical despression and my father has suffered from a chemical imbalance, to the point of being suicidal.

I have taken medication for my depression for five years and I have tried to wean myself off of it, and everytime I do my condition deteriorates.

Unless you and Tom Cruise or anyone else has any experience in this area, please keep your opinions to yourself. People that are ignorant to this subject cause more harm than good. You probably also think Post partem depression is a myth too right ?

 

Concerning the chemical imbalance, that is very much a drug company scheme. If you want to prove that the brain has a deficiency of Serotonin you must kill the person, and grind up their brain and measure the serotonin content. 

  

There are probably legitimate hormonal reasons for postpartum depression and anxiety, but no mental illness is purely cured by drugs. The DSM actually states that for a person to be termed mentally ill there must be no underlying medical reason for the disorder. 

  

So if a woman has too much or too little estrogen or other hormone, why on earth do you think that would be improved by inhibiting the serotonin from being metabolized and leaving her body? 

I think the answer to PPD may be found in a simple thyroid test for many people. That was part of my postpartum trouble as well as my mother-in-law's. These conditions often go undiagnosed and doctors simply throw SSRIs at them. When that doesn't work and the woman gets worse, do they consider other options or stop the meds or test for thyroid problems? Not usually, they first increase the dose or try to add more drugs. 

  

Psychiatry wouldn't be such a crock if doctors and drug companies would just tell the truth and trust their patients more than their own egos and their precious drugs which line their pockets. 

I don't have a problem with the concept of treating a mental illness with medication, but I do have a problem with people telling me I am wrong about the drugs being dangerous when I know what they did to me! If it works for you, great, but I don't appreciate the drug companies covering up the legitimate cases of adverse effects. PPD is much less serious than people think- it's the actual psychosis that is serious, and for too many women who actually have killed their babies or committed suicide, if you look under the surface of the news story you will find they were on high doses of many meds. Did the meds in this case prevent or cause a tragedy? 

  

Until the drug companies and doctors start using honesty and trying to avoid harming patients, we will continue to see unprecedented violence and suicides. 

Again, if the meds work for you and make you feel better, great. But for those who have adverse reactions, there needs to be some support from doctors and society. It was only against my doctors' wishes that I went off the meds and was able to get well. 

  

Doctors should take their RX pads more seriously and stop dishing out meds like they are candy. 

I encourage any one with a mental illness or a physical one that manifests itself as mental to get a 2nd opinion. It could be your thyroid. It could be that your meds are making you sicker. I also believe in therapy to help with coping skills. 

  

If the drugs were actually proven safe, then I would not have any problem whatsoever with using them to help you get over your slump. I was so naive that I believed they would help me and I took them unquestioningly within minutes of my doctor giving me the samples. I had no idea that there were so many cases of suicide and murder from these drugs. Andrea Yates and Chris Pittman are just a couple of examples. If I had known of the possibility that the drugs would cause me to go crazy, I would have been able to avoid 3 months of torture and a hospitalization. But I didn't. I guess that makes me who I am today. I just hope that my experiences will be able to help someone not have to find out the hard way, or maybe it will help save someone's life. 

  

Good luck to everyone on this board. 

 
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October 1, 2005, 1:16 am PDT

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It Seems As Though I am Sorry I Asked, Just As In My Daily Life.  The Same Sht Happens On The Net. Sorry I Bothered All Ya's I'LL Just Keep Truckin Thanks Anyways. 

*Bright Blessings* 

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October 1, 2005, 5:06 am PDT

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I am seventeen years old, and I have been on psychotropic medications since my fifteenth birthday. I am bipolar and I have an anxiety disorder.While I was unmedicated, I cut (up to 44 six inch gashes per arm), I burned myself, I banged my head, I physically attacked both of my younger brothers (now 11 and 12), I accidentally put the youngest in the hospital (and I had only missed a dose!), I was psychotic and delusional, and I attempted suicide three separate times. These medications (Effexor XR and Seroquel for bipolar/anxiety, Yasmin (a birth control pill that helps to stabilize my moods in addition to the other two psychotropics), and three others for asthma) are essential for me. I hate taking them – they make me gain weight, they make me sleepy, they can make me very mentally fuzzy and forgetful…but without them, I would do so much damage to both myself and others that it is just not worth it. I understand that people don’t want their children medicated when it’s not necessary, and I believe EXTENSIVE testing needs to be done first, but for kids like me, you may as well just shoot us as take us off our meds. I have had an MRI, two CT scans, two EEGs (one sleep deprived), countless blood tests, a seven-day hospitalization, and five psychiatric evaluations by two separate psychologists, two separate psychiatrists, and my family physician. Four out of the five agreed on their diagnosis, though to different severities (one thought I was cyclothymic – until my hospitalization, when she realized it was more severe than she’d realized). I’ve had the testing. I’ve suffered enough. Please help people understand that sometimes drugs are needed, and they shouldn’t always be a LAST resort (a LOT of damage can be done before you reach a ‘last’ resort sort of mind. I spent 32 months in therapy because of doctors’ hesitancy to give me even mild medications). If we need it, we need it; there’s no getting around it. There’s no ‘controlling’ bipolar disorder by pure will. When you can’t tell the difference between reality and fantasy, you can’t very well control it, can you? I wish people would just leave me be and not rag on me about being on six medications, three of which are to help me stay stable. 

I have nothing to say about Tom Cruise because I did not see the clip, but there IS such a thing as a chemical imbalance and there are PROVEN differences in the manic brain, the normal brain, and the depressed brain. Look up some PET scans from manic, normal, and depressed people, and look at the difference. Don’t tell me it isn’t real – I feel it every day. I was no normal hormonally-crazed teen until I WAS on my medication. Meds don’t eliminate teenaged angst – they reduce out-of-whack moods to normal so we can actually experience the teenaged angst. Major depressive episodes are definitely FAR worse. You people that’re telling us mental illness and chemical imbalances don’t exist…are you mentally ill? Are you sick? Then don’t tell me what I am and what I’m not. 

God Bless you.  Keep up the good work and keep telling people your message.  It takes a struggle and a lot of guts to tell your story.  Life is worth living and there is light.    I wish my 16 year old 

beautiful neice would have been diagnosed properly.  She had all the same symptoms you did, 

but was not diagnosed as a aggressively as you were.  If she did, maybe I would be reading this same note from her.  I lost her to suicide which is the devastating result of not taking or being on the right medication from bipolar.  As a member of a family who has lost a member due to suicide, I can only  tell you that it is the worst,darkest, saddest thing that can be done to the people in your life that love you.  My family will never ever be the same again. 

So keep up the good work, you are an inspiration to me and to others who have or have children with bipolar disease, you show that there is help out there.  Take care of yourself and keep doing the right thing. 

  

  

  

 
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October 1, 2005, 5:49 am PDT

What do you mean???

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I believe that no child needs to be medicated for ADHD/ADD whatever unless there is something seriously wrong with them. The schools told me 11 years ago that my daughter was hyper and needed meds. I was young so I believed what the doc said and put her on meds. She will now have to be on meds for the rest of her life. I have a 7 year old that is a little hyper but I refuse to take the easy way out and medicate hime. He is a active, typical, healthy boy that does not need meds. These parents need to learn to deal with it like I have instead of being lazy and putting them on medication to become zombies and keep them out of their hair. I think Tom hit the nail on the head with his comments. I just heard the same thing from Kevin Trudue and how natural remedies can cure these problems, not drugs. Go guys, you are on the right page. As a person gets older and feels they can't deal with life for some reason then they can get on medication all they want. But the issue on the show was mainly children I thought, not adults arguing because one can't take them and another one can't deal with depression on her own. Depression is something you can bring yourself out of. You have to have the will power and strength because I did it. Without meds I may add. I am not trying to down anyone but these people need to stop throwing s*** at Tom Cruise for voicing his opinion. They did didn't they when they came on the show. That is our God given right to freedom of speech and we all have different opions but I don't go around trashing people and tring to fight with people over it. I am an adult, mother, and wife. I have better things to do. You should do the same.     I highlighted the comments I took to heart in red. When you say you don't go around trashing people.. you basically had done that at the top of your message when you assumed parents put their kids on meds because they are lazy. I apologize if I took your message the wrong way but I took it for what I read and I was offended by the lazy parent statement that so many uninformed people seem to make. Medicating a child is not the easy way out and it is not fun either I might add.    I do want to say thank you for writing back and letting me know I had jumped the gun with my response. Have a peaceful evening, Tammy
Tammy:

You wrote, "The schools told me 11 years ago that my daughter was hyper and needed meds.  I was young so I believed what the doc said and put her on meds.  She will now have to be on meds for the rest of her life."

May I ask WHY will she HAVE to be on meds for the rest of her life?

Marsha
 
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