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Topic : 09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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When Tom Cruise gave his opinion about the drugging of America, he created a firestorm of controversy. Are we an overmedicated nation? Dave and Jill feel as if their 7-year-old son is holding them hostage in their own home. He's on three medications, but his uncontrollable fits of rage are destroying their marriage. Is this a real medical issue or a parenting problem? Then, two women with powerful personal stories debate the "Cruise controversy." They both think their opinion is right, but what does Dr. Phil think? Plus, an outraged father confronts his ex-wife and demands that she stop medicating their 9-year-old son. Talk about the show here.

 

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September 30, 2005, 1:53 am PDT

just my opinion

i think as a society we are very overmedicated. first we tell our kids to "say no to drugs", then we say "here, take a pill".
 
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September 30, 2005, 3:26 am PDT

Question for Tammy

 Tammy:

When you said that you were on a good diet prior to your second pregnancy, could you describe what that diet was like on any given day?  I believe that people don't really know what a good diet is, sadly, because our medical establishment either doesn't know themselves and isn't conveying it to us or they simply choose not to tell us.

I've been having problems writing too long of posts and finding myself disconnected; thus, losing the posts entirely.  So I'm going to share the information I have about what I have uncovered for myself  broken down in a number of different posts.  I think it could change some people's minds about the role of food in our illnesses.

Marsha

P.S.  In the words of Hypocrates, "Let thy food be thy medicine."
 
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September 30, 2005, 4:10 am PDT

Thank You Dr. Phil!!!!

I am so grateful that you have now shared with America about Brain Scans.  My husband was diagnosed with TLE  nine years ago.  A brilliant Dr. in Princeton, NJ had a brain scan done showing the damage done to the temporal part of his brain.  I am pleased to say what a difference and how truly blessed I feel.  If it was not for that Dr. then we would not have known what to do with our 16 year old, who all of a sudden shut down during her sophomore year of high school.  She would not do classwork, homework, couldn't even clean her room, actually didn't care.  I immediately knew something was wrong.  It took us a year, but with this wonderful Dr. in Princeton, NJ had her brain scanned and it showed lack of blood flow to her right superior parietal lobe.  I am proud to say that her Junior year has started off with straight  A's and she received a partial scholarship to attend Saturday classes at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, PA.   

  

I also, work at a Special Services School for E.D. children and only wish that the parents of the students in my building would have brain scans available for their children so they could be productive instead of disruptive.          Thanks a million Dr. Phil for waking these parents up!   

 
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September 30, 2005, 6:17 am PDT

Dont be helpless

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 You wrote "the meds will NOT work if the child doesn't have the problem. " But what if the problem is NOT the kid? 

You know what.... I don't mean to come off sounding pissy, but I guess I'm really angry.  I'll tell you why. My nephew will be 7 years old next month. His mother put him on drugs last year, swearing her doctor said he had ADD.  In my mind, I think the kid's on his way to becoming a speed freak (Adderall is pure amphetamine-- will he be on street meth or speed as a teenager because he'll be addicted to it?.)

I'm angry because:
She feeds him a diet of 90% packaged foods, soda pop, candy, Slurpees, and junk.
She has no real "bed time" and lets him fall asleep "whenever" - on the sofa to the sounds of CSI-Miami!
She has a HUGE anger issue and is constantly yelling, screaming and beating on her husband (my brother) The house is usually in an uproar 99% of the time.
My brother leaves the house when the fights "get bad" so the kid sees his mom screaming and his dad walking out the door  ALL THE TIME. This is what he's learning.
She's "nice" when she gets her way, so the kid sees that acting insane WORKS.
His parents sit on their butts and yell at him, rather than get up and TEACH him, so he's learned to totally tune them out. No, he doesn't "listen." I wouldn't listen to a couple of loud-mouths either!
He acts like a zombie when he's on drugs and SHE PREFERS IT that way because it's easier!!!!! She can sit undisturbed around the house smoking, playing internet computer games and drinking Coke.

And now I get angry when people say DRUGS will help this kid, as you say,  "live a NORMAL life."  He doesn't  HAVE a normal life, and the reason why he can't focus or sit still, or "listen"  is because his entire LIFE IS CHAOS. This is what gets me very worked up about drugging kids. And I doubt this situation is unusual. I'm pretty sure many many families live in chaos due to divorce, remarriages, step/half siblings, moving, anger issues, etc. etc. etc.

Meanwhile.... when he's at grandma's house for 2-3 days and his body/mind become clear,  he eats no sugar, sleeps in a bed at 8pm, swims, exercises, learns, plays, helps grandma, has loads of fruits and vegetables, does VERY WELL in his Karate class, sits and reads, loves to do "big boy" stuff (like yard work!) and is a completely different kid.

(Side Note:  His mother and doctor decided to also put him on an ADULT DOSAGE of Singulair --don't forget the boy is 6 years old-- because the boy "has allergies". Well.... the mother smokes a pack of Marlboros a day, never opens a window in the house, and they have THREE cats using litter boxes and a hamster living in a cage of shredded "mulch."  The boy has "allergies" like he has "ADD")

This is why I get so ticked off and call it  "overmedicating."  Because I see the harm it's doing to my little nephew, I'm helpless to do anything, his mother is an uneducated slob who takes the easy road every time, and I'm angry about that.

You arent helpless in trying to do anything.  You do have avenues you can explore.  There is chidrens social services, there is communication with your borther, there is therapy, there are many things you can do to try and help your nephew. 

  

Please dont take the "im helpless to do anything" road.  Instead, take a stand and fight for your nephew.  Someone needs to.  Get your family together and ACT.  Whatever it takes, for as long as needs be,  to help this child.   

 
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September 30, 2005, 6:26 am PDT

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It's not about whether or not you spank your child. It's about YOU taking control of HIS situation. Who is the boss? If you are not in control of your household, as your children get older they will have no respect for you. They will not only have ran you over as children but will mow you down as adults.

... Dr. Lawliss' post?  The one saying these problems did not stem from the parents lack of discipline?  That in fact the parents acted accordingly with the information they had?   

  

Will you now apologize for your blanket statements?  Or will you continue in your position even though a DOCTOR has now informed you that your opinions of this mother are wrong? 

  

  

 
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September 30, 2005, 6:27 am PDT

09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

I am a mother of a 8 year old boy who has been diagnosised with ADHD.  So may of the responses to the issue of overmedicating America is about drug abuse.  For children that are ADHD, Combined type is a struggle for them to control their Hyperactivity, impulsivity, frustrations, making friends, concentrating on homework and medication is just one of the tools a parent must use.  Medication is not a quick fix, you have to undergo behavioral modification which can only work if the child is able to control his hyperactivity, attention and impulsivity.  There is a study out there that studied chidlren with adhd with and without treatment and the study has shown that kids with adhd that did not recieve treatment with medication was more likely to turn to drugs and this in most part was to self medicate.  How is seeking treatment for a disorder causing America to have a drug problem it is the people in america that choose to illegally use drugs and the dealers that provide them with  the drugs resulting in Americas drug problem.  A child recieving proper medication for a disorder is not.  A child that recieves the proper medicaiton and dose for ADHD will not be a zombie but functions and a "normal" child and find themselves able to make friends, concentrate on schoolwork , make good grade and have a positive self-image.  The real issue is raising our children to strong, positive and productive memeber is society and for a child to due this they most have a good self image and if your a the child that takes medication for this disorder and all you hear is it is wrong dont you think the child will eventually believe that and begin to wonder is something wrong with me.  Understandable medicaiton may not be the right answer for all kids and vitiams and diet may not help other kids it is a process of finding a balance in the childs life  with medication, therapy, diet and behavior modifications.  As a society we need to look at the real reasons America has a drug problem and not the children is just want to experience normal children activities.
 
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September 30, 2005, 6:38 am PDT

Tom Cruise is the Pythagoras of our time!!!

 Actually, I don't believe Tom Cruise was the first one to think that lack of nutrition was behind all of these increasing medical problems; but, he is the one to get a dialogue going on national television.  For that, I am forever greatful to him.

I am curious to know how many people posting to this site that are either taking medications themselves or dispensing it to loved ones have seriously tried a change of diet before ingesting any of these meds.  When I say seriously tried a change of diet, I mean to a healthy diet adhered to STRICTLY such as the Candida diet and for at least 1 year to allow for homeostasis to return.  Actually, I don't mean ANY diet, but more specifically THE candida diet which is also known as a whole foods diet with a few more restrictions.  I don't believe most of the so-called healthy diets out there are all that healthy, frankly.

For those of you that didn't go that route first, might I ask why not?

Marsha
 
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September 30, 2005, 6:38 am PDT

09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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I am quite sickened to read so many parents lash out at anyone who has the temerity to question your son or daughter's use of medication. Of course, I am quite used to this response. I teach at a school for severely emotionally disturbed children. Nearly all of them have been thrown out of their districts and have landed at my school. Most of them are medicated. Not once have I seen medication provide any sort of meaningful long-term stability and health. I have seen kids pacified, but usually it is short lived. What I have seen for the most part are chemical lobotomies by either ghoulish or brainwashed psychiatrists who add drug after drug to mask the side effects of the last drug. However, it isn't even so much the shrinks I have a beef with. That is what they are trained to do, diagnose and prescribe. 

  

On the other hand, I have seen children pulled back from the brink with long-term success through  following a very strict natural protocol administered by someone who knows what they are doing. It isn't as simple as diet and exercise as so many on this board have reduced it to. 

  

My priniciple problem, however, is with this familiar refrain of it saved my child's life and how dare you judge me for putting my child on meds. In a way I understand this. Although you won't admit it, deep down you aren't sure it is the right thing no matter how vehemently you state it here or elsewhere. There is internal conflict. I run across it every day when I approach parents at my school about the possibility of pursuing a natural approach. Many are quite defensive. You only want what is best for you child. I understand that. What I don't understand are the parents who won't go the extra mile. There are scores of studies showing the efficacy of nutritional therapy. For those of you insisting there is a chemical imbalance, what do you think it is that powers the neurotransmitters?  

  

Knowingly putting your child into a precarious situation is something no parent wants to do or be accused of doing. That is what has happened to millions of parents who have allowed their children(usually in ignorance) to be put on these neurotoxins. So what do you do here? You scream that it has saved your child's life. "Little Johnny couldn't do a thing until these meds. They saved his life." I just hope you take the opportunity to REALLY look at what is out there. WHile you may insist that your son or daughter is doing great now, what are you going to do in 5 years or 10 years when it eventually takes its toll? These drugs ravage the body's and brain's systems and hopefully you will spend less time screaming about how it saved your child's life to mask your hidden doubts or guilt and spend more time truly researching the nature of these "illnesses" and these drugs. God bless, 

  

Casey 

Casey, 

  

I am a mother who went the extra mile.  Nutritional Thearpy does not always work for all children just like medication does not work for other children. Again it is a balancing act and if you have not raised a child with ADHD and see the before and after results of a child who has found the right balance of nutritional needs, medication and behavioral modifications you can not fairly judge the benefits in that kids life.  All parents want for their child is to have a productive meaniful life and for some it takes extra work.  A parent that has a child with adhd goes that extra mile every day because medication is not a quick fix you have to work just as hard as the child does to  insure he has a good self esteem, doing homework and every enjoying his or her life.  For some of the little johnny's out there the medication may have been the final piece to the puzzle that changes his life but i grant you it is not the only peice. 

  

 
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September 30, 2005, 6:47 am PDT

09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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I am quite sickened to read so many parents lash out at anyone who has the temerity to question your son or daughter's use of medication. Of course, I am quite used to this response. I teach at a school for severely emotionally disturbed children. Nearly all of them have been thrown out of their districts and have landed at my school. Most of them are medicated. Not once have I seen medication provide any sort of meaningful long-term stability and health. I have seen kids pacified, but usually it is short lived. What I have seen for the most part are chemical lobotomies by either ghoulish or brainwashed psychiatrists who add drug after drug to mask the side effects of the last drug. However, it isn't even so much the shrinks I have a beef with. That is what they are trained to do, diagnose and prescribe. 

  

On the other hand, I have seen children pulled back from the brink with long-term success through  following a very strict natural protocol administered by someone who knows what they are doing. It isn't as simple as diet and exercise as so many on this board have reduced it to. 

  

My priniciple problem, however, is with this familiar refrain of it saved my child's life and how dare you judge me for putting my child on meds. In a way I understand this. Although you won't admit it, deep down you aren't sure it is the right thing no matter how vehemently you state it here or elsewhere. There is internal conflict. I run across it every day when I approach parents at my school about the possibility of pursuing a natural approach. Many are quite defensive. You only want what is best for you child. I understand that. What I don't understand are the parents who won't go the extra mile. There are scores of studies showing the efficacy of nutritional therapy. For those of you insisting there is a chemical imbalance, what do you think it is that powers the neurotransmitters?  

  

Knowingly putting your child into a precarious situation is something no parent wants to do or be accused of doing. That is what has happened to millions of parents who have allowed their children(usually in ignorance) to be put on these neurotoxins. So what do you do here? You scream that it has saved your child's life. "Little Johnny couldn't do a thing until these meds. They saved his life." I just hope you take the opportunity to REALLY look at what is out there. WHile you may insist that your son or daughter is doing great now, what are you going to do in 5 years or 10 years when it eventually takes its toll? These drugs ravage the body's and brain's systems and hopefully you will spend less time screaming about how it saved your child's life to mask your hidden doubts or guilt and spend more time truly researching the nature of these "illnesses" and these drugs. God bless, 

  

Casey 

nutritunal therapy does not always work, what people who has not raised a child with ADHD does not understand is that medication is not the only piece to the puzzle.  You may have medication therapy, behavioral modification, nutritional therapy and love and support.  Medication is not a quick fix a all of you seem to think it is and a parent who is raising a child with ADHD goes that extra mile everyday of their childs life.  It is not easy being a parent but when you had disorders or health conditions into the equations you work hard everyday to insure your child has every oppurtuntity to have a normal and productive life no matter what obstacles you have to overcome. 

 

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September 30, 2005, 6:48 am PDT

Meds vs. alternatives

My 17 yr. old daughter was diagnosed with ADHD at age 8. I didn't want to put her on meds, so I opted to try alternatives. Her teacher agreed to put headphones playing low volume classical music on her to help her concentrate. That only partially worked, because just having them on was a comfort issue for her, kids singled her out as different, and she was still distracted by motions. I tried vitamins and diet. As a working parent, it's not easy to control a kid's diet, she was in a small private home day care where kids ate snacks that she wasn't allowed to have, which again singled her out. And she's very sensitive to taste and smell, so getting her to take vitamins resulted in daily battles. She was having a terrible time socially, academically and emotionally, so I decided to try ritalin, and it worked well while she was in school. It was no picnic when the meds wore off though, she was very irritable and moody. That 'come-down' effect subsided when she went on Concerta, the time released form of ritalin. She was less impulsive and more able to concentrate, but still showed behavioral difficulty, so we kept consistent with counseling and saw a psychiatrist to monitor her symptoms. I didn't rely on the pediatrician to just prescribe a refill. At 12 she was diagnosed with Oppositional Defiance Disorder and Bipolar II Disorder. I again resisted the meds the doctor wanted to prescribe. I thought we could get a handle on this with counseling and Concerta. When she was 14 she began self injuring, and at 15 I had her in the ER getting her stomach pumped because of an overdose suicide attempt. She's been on an antidepressant and a mood stabilizing med since. She is a different kid and it's made a world of difference for our whole family.  

When my now 10 year old daughter started showing difficulty concentrating and socially in the 3rd grade, her teachers had me meet with the school counselor because they were concerned that she seemed 'so sad all the time'. I knew she wasn't sad, she was lost in daydreams, a symptom of inattentive ADHD. Her teachers were upset when I told them I took her to a psychiatrist and was going to try ADHD meds. Because she didn't show hyperactivity, they thought I was one of the parents who just wanted to give her a pill. But 3 weeks after she started the meds, her teacher told me she saw a big difference, my daughter who used to just be physically present was now excelling in class, and getting along better with others. When I associated my youngest daughter's difficulty to difficulties I myself had in school, I too was diagnosed with ADHD. I've been taking Concerta for a year now, and I believe I would've had a much better childhood and adult experience had I known about ADHD and the meds that can help, way back when.  

I don't subscribe to the 'just take a pill' mentality, and I do believe some doctors are too quick to write a prescription to curb a behavior problem that can be addressed by other means, but I know from experience that there are situations where meds do help. With each condition my kid was diagnosed with, I became informed, read everything I could get my hands on that helped me learn what we were up against, and attended regular and consistent counseling appointments. Biological conditions are not 'cured', but meds paired with counseling really do help people who truly suffer from such conditions.  

 
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