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Topic : 12/23 "Get a Backbone!"

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(Original Airdate: 09/30/05) If you're the type who gets bullied by your boss, stepped on by your co-workers or manipulated by your mother, Dr. Phil shows you how to stand up for yourself! Beth owns a beauty salon, but says she'd rather hide in her office than confront her disrespectful employees. Find out the deep, dark childhood secret that's affecting her ability to take control of her life and her business. Plus, Amanda was so intimidated by her own mother, she kept her wedding a secret! What does Amanda have to do to bridge the gap and reconnect with her mom? Share your own advice and talk about the show here.

 

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December 24, 2005, 6:11 am PST

Backbone

Hi, 

I was so glad to have caught your show yesterday...I have had so many people tell me that I am to nice and because of that I let people walk all over me.  Its okay to be nice, but it's not okay to let others take advantage of that.  But I also find that easier said than done for use who where our hearts on our sleeves, and tend to want to believe the best in people and just want to be like by everyone.  I find that when I do assert myself and tell just how I feel about something that doesn't make me happy, It ends up biting me in the a--. I find it hard to understand, why when I assert myself , and tell it like I see it, or try to even take notes from others that do have that leadership quality and try to assert myself in there example...it never works...I get the total opposite reaction. Even from my children.  They are great kids, but believe me they would never talk to there father the way they speak to me at times, but we do teach people how to treat us as you said.  I could go on and on..but I just wanted to let you know I enjoyed the show, and I understood what you were saying, but I also think that people who don't have a "backbone"  as you put it maybe need more than just the words "Stand up for yourself" its not that easy.  I think that the salon girls know how to push her buttons and get what they want now and its not going to be easy for her to just suddenly be "in charge" she needs to get herself into a managerial course, and learn how to be assertive ( is that what the scholarship was for?).  It stinks being the "leader" sometimes, it makes people not think fondly of you at times, and thats hard for a person , like me, to handle because I am a people pleaser, and for some reason feel like I need people to like me...And I think thats what I got from the salon owner...she  is afraid of losing friends, and making enemies. Also I so relate to the crying deal, because I have a really hard time controling my emotions, esp. during any kind of conflict.  It comes over me like a wave and I have no control, I think its probably the one thing I hate most about myself...I wish I could control that., so Dr. Phil how do I control that?? Because I think that would solve alot of the  problems if I were able to just control that one thing.....Well, this went on longer than I anticipated..but again I enjoyed the show.  Thanks! 

 
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December 24, 2005, 8:35 am PST

Thanks, Dr. Phil...

Dr Phil, I have been a victim of my mother's abuse and my father's emotional withdrawal for twenty-six years. I am now living with my fiancee, but often find myself dwelling on my mother and, even worse, project some of my mother's behaviors on my future wife. I think I am the only man in the world with a Masters' Degree in English that is still so bothered by being called a 'loser' that I virtually shut down.  

  

I want to thank you for empowering me through this episode. While I do not speak well on the phone, I can communicate by mail. I am enclosing this quote: 'If you cannot accept me for who I am, if you cannot respect me for who I am, if you are going to continue to insult me, I will not have a relationship with you, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.' 

  

It may be extreme, but with this woman, you have to be. 

  

Dr. Phil, thank you so much, and I pray anyone else out there who has a hard time standing up to their parents to hang in there. It takes time, I know, but don't give up, and don't give in. You're worth it! 

  

Shaun Curran 

 
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December 24, 2005, 8:38 am PST

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Beth's situation was fascinating, and I would have liked to see and hear a lot more about women who need to develop backbone, women who let people walk all over them. The mother-daughter conflict did not belong in this category; it is much more complex, and quite different, from the topic you set out to explore. The mother-daughter dynamics between those two cry out for professional help, family therapy. I felt that the daughter was unfair to her mother, that she was very confused about her feelings, and that some of her perceptions of her mother;s behavior were possibly erroneous. And finally, although the segment on Beth addressed the topic more directly, the solution to send her to college struck me as almost ludicrous. Beth needs to hold an initial meeting with her employees and a weekly meeting thereafter. She needs to write up guidelines for her expectations of her employees. She needs counseling for herself. She might also want to hire a professional consultant who analyzes staff dynamics for businesses. What she does not need is to enter another potentially difficult situation without resolving the one she's already in.
 
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December 24, 2005, 8:47 am PST

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Sometimes people throw that 'Get over it,' or 'Get a backbone' or even 'Stand up for yourself' freely, and the victim feels even worse because he or she can't get over it. What she needs is a step by step program designed to assist her in each and every aspect of what she's dealing with. in my prior post I wrote that I, too, deal with an abusive mother. I want to thank her so much for taking the time to come on the show and be an inspiration to people everywhere.  

  

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December 24, 2005, 10:25 am PST

KINDNESS and COMPASSION WTH HEALTHY BOUNDARIES

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Hi, 

I was so glad to have caught your show yesterday...I have had so many people tell me that I am to nice and because of that I let people walk all over me.  Its okay to be nice, but it's not okay to let others take advantage of that.  But I also find that easier said than done for use who where our hearts on our sleeves, and tend to want to believe the best in people and just want to be like by everyone.  I find that when I do assert myself and tell just how I feel about something that doesn't make me happy, It ends up biting me in the a--. I find it hard to understand, why when I assert myself , and tell it like I see it, or try to even take notes from others that do have that leadership quality and try to assert myself in there example...it never works...I get the total opposite reaction. Even from my children.  They are great kids, but believe me they would never talk to there father the way they speak to me at times, but we do teach people how to treat us as you said.  I could go on and on..but I just wanted to let you know I enjoyed the show, and I understood what you were saying, but I also think that people who don't have a "backbone"  as you put it maybe need more than just the words "Stand up for yourself" its not that easy.  I think that the salon girls know how to push her buttons and get what they want now and its not going to be easy for her to just suddenly be "in charge" she needs to get herself into a managerial course, and learn how to be assertive ( is that what the scholarship was for?).  It stinks being the "leader" sometimes, it makes people not think fondly of you at times, and thats hard for a person , like me, to handle because I am a people pleaser, and for some reason feel like I need people to like me...And I think thats what I got from the salon owner...she  is afraid of losing friends, and making enemies. Also I so relate to the crying deal, because I have a really hard time controling my emotions, esp. during any kind of conflict.  It comes over me like a wave and I have no control, I think its probably the one thing I hate most about myself...I wish I could control that., so Dr. Phil how do I control that?? Because I think that would solve alot of the  problems if I were able to just control that one thing.....Well, this went on longer than I anticipated..but again I enjoyed the show.  Thanks! 

Maybe it is not your sense of kindness and compassion that is the problem but your ability to sense where your boundaries begin and another person's end.  Some great resources on this subject that may be of interest to you: 

 

1. Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation, and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward and Donna Frazier  

  

2. Why Is It Always About You?:  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss and James Masterson  

  

 

 

3. Boundaries:  Where You End and I Begin by Anne Katherine  

 

 

 

 

4. Don't Let Your Emotions Run Your Life:  Dialectical Behavior Therapy by Scott E. Spradlin  

 

  

 

Hope it helps! 

 

 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

 

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December 24, 2005, 11:10 am PST

I believe she has a GED

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Now we dont know for sure if she cant read or write now as an adult. I think that it would make it a little hard to own a business and not be able to read or write. I think that it is wonderful that University of Phoenix heard about her story and felt compelled enough to offer her a chance to receive her BA degree. I believe that going back to school will DEFINITELY help her in getting that backbone that she needs. I mean, think about it.... she was taken away from school or any other interaction from the world at a very young age. I feel that by her going back to school she will be able to experience and interact with her peers just like she should have when she was young. And then she will develop her social skills, her independence, and her backbone. I also believe that there are some classes she could take that will help her improve her assertiveness and be able to mold her into the person she needs to be. I dont think that she was given a gift..  I believe she was given the key to her success!
I am quoting the show summary. "Since she did get her GED, the University of Phoenix has agreed to work at a pace most comfortable for her.  "What she’s just handed you here is about $50,000 in value, in terms of this bachelor’s degree," he explains. "But what she’s really handed you is a chance to give yourself what you wish you had gotten as a child." Based on that I think Beth has her GED so she should be able to work at getting a college education-she managed to work & learn before. If I am mistaken please correct me. Thanks
 
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December 24, 2005, 12:50 pm PST

Get a Backbone

I only caught the tail end of this program, but I could have been a member on that show.  In the 80's I was a single parent with two small children and was receiving a lot of financial assistance from my parents.  At the time they found out I was seeing an african-american.  They took me aside and told me that if I did not stop this relationship they would dis-own me and stop any and all financial assistance.  As the child support I was receiving and the small salary I was earning in an office would not even come close to supporting my family, I agreed and in doing so gave up my parental role as parent to my children.  My parents really were the parents and I was really just a child in their eyes.  They continued in this way until they died.  Therefore here I sit on Christmas Eve all alone.  My children have since married and have families of their own.  My children have mourned the loss of their grandparents more than they will ever grieve for me.  While I appreciate all my parents did for me and my children my self respect and sense of self have all but been destroyed.
 
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December 24, 2005, 1:06 pm PST

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You all didnt not get the whole story.  My mother was NOT paying the bills they were in her name so while my husband and I were split up he could not mess with my utilities.  The bill that went to collections happened before we got back together.  You also didnt see anything about previous situations with my mother and I.  There was ALOT of stuff in the past that lead up to me needing Dr. Phils help to tell her that my husband and I were back together.  We have only split up 2 times in out 11 year relationship.  You also didnt hear about what lead up to this last break up.  Maybe you all should ask Dr. Phil to bring us back so you can find out about the deeper root of the problem. 

 
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December 24, 2005, 3:31 pm PST

Beth

Being honest with yourself that you are not happy with the way you have let people treat you, realizing that you need help with changing that, and then following through with that by going on the show and letting millions of viewers in on what's going on inside of you takes backbone! You do have backbone. It just needs further developing and you went to the right person for help. You have accomplished more than mose people with healthier backgrounds do in a lifetime. You have a lot more courage than you give yourself credit for. I understand the fear of not speaking up for yourself in the moment. I fear rejection, judgement, and abandonment from friends, family, coworker, and men and it can be quite paralizing as the anxieties of claming up take over. Nobody ever gets to know who I really am, including myself, because I'm not forthright and honest in the moment. I'm starting to get that now, but old programming is hard to change. Keep up the good work. You're on the right path!
 
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December 24, 2005, 9:23 pm PST

6 pack

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Being honest with yourself that you are not happy with the way you have let people treat you, realizing that you need help with changing that, and then following through with that by going on the show and letting millions of viewers in on what's going on inside of you takes backbone! You do have backbone. It just needs further developing and you went to the right person for help. You have accomplished more than mose people with healthier backgrounds do in a lifetime. You have a lot more courage than you give yourself credit for. I understand the fear of not speaking up for yourself in the moment. I fear rejection, judgement, and abandonment from friends, family, coworker, and men and it can be quite paralizing as the anxieties of claming up take over. Nobody ever gets to know who I really am, including myself, because I'm not forthright and honest in the moment. I'm starting to get that now, but old programming is hard to change. Keep up the good work. You're on the right path!

I record Dr. Phil everyday and then come home and watch at night.  I was so upset because something interfered with the recording of today's show on getting a back bone, and I only got to see 4 minutes of the show.  It is important to know who we are and have healthy boundaries so that people like "the 6 pack" can't tear us down.  There are people like that out there, if we allow them to walk all over us, they will.  Since only four minutes of the show were recorded I only saw enough to be really ticked at those bullies, I find it hard to believe that a bunch of grown women can be so rude and insensitive to someone who is providing a nice place to go work everyday.   Those women are acting like 7th grade girls. 

Beth, you deserve better workers than that. 

 
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