Topic : Should We Teach Creation or Evolution in Our Schools?

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Created on : Thursday, September 29, 2005, 01:28:03 am
Author : catskat3

There has been an awful lot of debate and down right arguing about what to teach our kids in school regarding how we got here and why are we here?  Is there a plan for mankind developed by an "all mighty" being?  Or did we climb up out of the sludge one day, drop off our fins and start swinging from the trees?  Scholars and every day Joes have discussed this issue over the centuries and we're no closer to agreeing on it now than we were hundreds of years ago.  Despite all of our vast knowledge and technology the science of the subject still can't be truly proven and the debate continues on and on and probably will continue long after all of us here today are dust in the earth.

 

So I'd like to open this debate with my own opinion on the matter and then want to sit back and read and enjoy just how you all feel about this issue.  So here's my two cents worth, now join me with yours.

 

I am by my own admission a Christian woman trying to live a good life and follow the scriptures, love my neighbors (a task which can be quite challenging at times) and basically live by the example of Christ's life.  Even with all my bible learning, however, every once in a while a thought creeps into my consciousness that taunts me and gives me pause to reflect. At times, it seems science gives me an explanation clear as day that I can not refute and saying that God can do anything he wants to do just sounds like a cop out.

 

I believe that, in fact, you must teach both and here is why.  The reasoning is actually quite simple.  This is a debate not actually about religion or science.  It is about differing philosophies on the subject of our existance.  Viewing it in this manner, you remove the right or wrong of either side.  So now that being said the issue becomes not whether or not to teach it, but WHEN to teach it.  This is where people disagree strongly and it is understandable.  Now that we have defined the issue as one of philosophy, it again, beomes easy to resolve.

 

Children in elementary, middle and high school are not ready for such deep, heavy subject matter.  Further, the younger children believe everything their teachers teach them.  After all, in their eyes, the teachers are like gods.  They know all, they can't lie to them and they don't make mistakes.  So if a teacher tells the students something, well, it just has to be true and that's that.  It isn't until later, as their minds develop more complex reasoning skills, that they will start to question what they're being taught and challenge the lessons given.

 

As Dr. Phil and others have told us, and we know Dr. Phil is always right (cough), timing is everything when it comes to handling issues with our kids.  I think that teaching this subject is best left to college aged students.  They have the reasoning skills and vocal ability to express their feelings on subject matter.

 

So this is my opinion.  Yes teach evolution, and yes teach creation.  Just do it when the student is capable of discerning for himj/herself what they wish to believe and what they decide is against what they believe on their own.




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July 15, 2006, 11:43 am PDT

Should We Teach Creation or Evolution in Our Schools?

Well..Kent Hovind has been arrested for tax fraud.  LOL
 
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July 15, 2006, 5:15 pm PDT

Should We Teach Creation or Evolution in Our Schools?

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Well..Kent Hovind has been arrested for tax fraud.  LOL
LOL.  That is funny!
 
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July 20, 2006, 3:40 pm PDT

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I think neither should be taught in school. It should be taught at home.
I am a teacher, and let me tell you that the only thing being taught in some of my student's homes is where to score their next hit or how the government is out to get you.  I believe they should both be taught as theories since neither can be proven nor disproven.  It can be prefaced with, "You don't have to agree with this theory.  It is was some experts believe."  It would be the same as if you were teaching what came first, the chicken or the egg.  In order to be intelligent members of society, kids need to understand that there are different opinions out there about a multitude of things, and you can not truely know what you believe until you understand all sides.  In schools, we are not trying to tell the kids what to think, but trying to teach them how to think.  Too many of them are not getting that at home.
 
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July 21, 2006, 6:54 am PDT

So nice to hear from someone on the front lines

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I am a teacher, and let me tell you that the only thing being taught in some of my student's homes is where to score their next hit or how the government is out to get you.  I believe they should both be taught as theories since neither can be proven nor disproven.  It can be prefaced with, "You don't have to agree with this theory.  It is was some experts believe."  It would be the same as if you were teaching what came first, the chicken or the egg.  In order to be intelligent members of society, kids need to understand that there are different opinions out there about a multitude of things, and you can not truely know what you believe until you understand all sides.  In schools, we are not trying to tell the kids what to think, but trying to teach them how to think.  Too many of them are not getting that at home.
 I've been out of school for many many years, but the teacher I remember the most was a high school Literature teacher. Mr Berg ran several thinking exercises on us during the course of the year which I have never forgotten.
In one, we were all persuaded that a particular poem was a famous, well-liked one that we were asked to interpret. In fact it was garbage, the "author" was Mr Berg's name spelled backward and we all fell for it! Lesson being, if it has no meaning for you, don't waste your time or money just because someone else says it does. Another one had the whole class voting to switch to communism because it would "eliminate" poverty and conflicts arising from differences in religion and income classes. There were others too. They were the most valuable lessons I've ever had. I can always look up a history fact or a math formula should I need it, but the idea to research and form my own opinions is priceless. Since I can't thank Mr Berg, I will thank you.
 
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July 21, 2006, 9:49 am PDT

Thanks

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 I've been out of school for many many years, but the teacher I remember the most was a high school Literature teacher. Mr Berg ran several thinking exercises on us during the course of the year which I have never forgotten.
In one, we were all persuaded that a particular poem was a famous, well-liked one that we were asked to interpret. In fact it was garbage, the "author" was Mr Berg's name spelled backward and we all fell for it! Lesson being, if it has no meaning for you, don't waste your time or money just because someone else says it does. Another one had the whole class voting to switch to communism because it would "eliminate" poverty and conflicts arising from differences in religion and income classes. There were others too. They were the most valuable lessons I've ever had. I can always look up a history fact or a math formula should I need it, but the idea to research and form my own opinions is priceless. Since I can't thank Mr Berg, I will thank you.
I appreciate your thoughts.  Too many of  us hate this time of year  as we are about to walk back into a classroom full of ungrateful little twits and give them our hearts, our souls, and our best day after day in order to try to  get them to know how to use the most important part of their body....their brain.  In return, we get get cursed at, ignored, and faught every step of the way.  Too many parents think we are the evil spawn because we teach the kids (by teaching them how to think for themselves) that it is ok to think differently from their parents.  We don't ask for anything in return, other than a little respect.  So, thank you for giving that.
 

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July 26, 2006, 3:01 pm PDT

Should We Teach Creation or Evolution in Our Schools?

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I am a teacher, and let me tell you that the only thing being taught in some of my student's homes is where to score their next hit or how the government is out to get you.  I believe they should both be taught as theories since neither can be proven nor disproven.  It can be prefaced with, "You don't have to agree with this theory.  It is was some experts believe."  It would be the same as if you were teaching what came first, the chicken or the egg.  In order to be intelligent members of society, kids need to understand that there are different opinions out there about a multitude of things, and you can not truely know what you believe until you understand all sides.  In schools, we are not trying to tell the kids what to think, but trying to teach them how to think.  Too many of them are not getting that at home.
You are a teacher and you  have that small and ignorant of a view on evolution? GEEEEZE...THAT is one HUGE problem with our schools. You are a teacher and you don't even know what the scientific meaning of the word "theory" is!!!!!!

Are YOU as a teacher prepared to teach EVERY CREATION STORY EVERY RELIGION HAS TO OFFER? OR JUST THE CHRISTIAN ONE!!!!!!!!????????????!!!!!

Are you prepared to teach about terot cards? Telepathy? Dream interpretation? Palm reading? Remote viewing? ESP? Precognition? Telekinesis? Luck? Pyramidology? Tea leaves? Phrenology?

All of these have as much evidence as ID...The theory of evolution is backed by piles upon piles and thousands and hundreds of thousands of pieces of evidence.

If you care for a lesson on it I would be willing to teach you.
 

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July 26, 2006, 3:31 pm PDT

Should We Teach Creation or Evolution in Our Schools?

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I appreciate your thoughts.  Too many of  us hate this time of year  as we are about to walk back into a classroom full of ungrateful little twits and give them our hearts, our souls, and our best day after day in order to try to  get them to know how to use the most important part of their body....their brain.  In return, we get get cursed at, ignored, and faught every step of the way.  Too many parents think we are the evil spawn because we teach the kids (by teaching them how to think for themselves) that it is ok to think differently from their parents.  We don't ask for anything in return, other than a little respect.  So, thank you for giving that.
What *I* personally ask of teachers is to teach the facts. I would also love for there to be a critical thinking class required in high schools. To teach skepticism, logic and reason.

But I think if you stick with facts then the people who give you a hard time are simply and obviously boobs.
 
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July 28, 2006, 4:37 pm PDT

teaching

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You are a teacher and you  have that small and ignorant of a view on evolution? GEEEEZE...THAT is one HUGE problem with our schools. You are a teacher and you don't even know what the scientific meaning of the word "theory" is!!!!!!

Are YOU as a teacher prepared to teach EVERY CREATION STORY EVERY RELIGION HAS TO OFFER? OR JUST THE CHRISTIAN ONE!!!!!!!!????????????!!!!!

Are you prepared to teach about terot cards? Telepathy? Dream interpretation? Palm reading? Remote viewing? ESP? Precognition? Telekinesis? Luck? Pyramidology? Tea leaves? Phrenology?

All of these have as much evidence as ID...The theory of evolution is backed by piles upon piles and thousands and hundreds of thousands of pieces of evidence.

If you care for a lesson on it I would be willing to teach you.
OK....Until we die and go to where ever it is we go, we will probably never know definately how we got here.  Yes, there is evidence to support evolution.  But, there is also evidence to support creationism.  They are THEORIES...meaning CAN NOT be proven or disproven.  Personally, I don't know which is right, it may be a combination of the two.  But, when teaching kids, Im not going to tell them that we definately evolved from apes.  Being in the bible belt, I would lose most of them right there.  I know every religion has thier own creation story.  Teachers don't have the time to teach them all unless schools created a seperate class on it.  Oh, and by the way, I have taught about dream interpretation, ESP, and Precognition in the class in which they belong....psychology.  The kids love that.
 
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July 28, 2006, 4:42 pm PDT

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What *I* personally ask of teachers is to teach the facts. I would also love for there to be a critical thinking class required in high schools. To teach skepticism, logic and reason.

But I think if you stick with facts then the people who give you a hard time are simply and obviously boobs.
 There is only one problem with teaching only facts.  If you were to teach on that that can be proven without a doubt, you couldn't teach many concepts.  You couldn't teach evolution or creationism.  You couldn't teach much of history before the late 1700's.  I never "lie" to my kids.  I live on the Mississippi Coast, which is a heavy bible belt area, so I have to be careful not to step on religious toes.  When we reach a topic which is a theory, or is a best educated guess, I tell them so.  They need to be open to ideas and know how to think.  They need to know how to figure out what they believe vs what someone esle wants them to believe.  That will get them a lot further in life than knowing just facts.
 
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July 28, 2006, 8:45 pm PDT

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What *I* personally ask of teachers is to teach the facts. I would also love for there to be a critical thinking class required in high schools. To teach skepticism, logic and reason.

But I think if you stick with facts then the people who give you a hard time are simply and obviously boobs.
I thought about something the after I posted my first response....If the schools taught only facts, then we would live on a flat Earth that is the center of the universe.  At some point, facts tend to change, but before they do, they are theories.  Science proves old facts wrong every day just as we find new species in the depths of the oceans and in the rainforests every year.  As the our knowledge grows, so does science.  We need our children to be equiped for that by teaching them theories (as theories) as they develop.  Otherwise, society will never evolve.
 

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