Topic : 08/24 The Family Cult

My brother enter the cult back in the 80's and live in it until several (prob 10 yr) ago I knew that there was more than meet the eye I was a teen and he was 1 yr younger, I have hear little detail about what when on. My brother left after havin his own children in the family, strange things where  discussed at time but no one has a clear view of what was all about, all I knew is that it was based on religion and the bible he lied in fancy colonies in expensive homes all trough Mexico, He  does not work he preaches the word in the street and that it's only job ever held, from time to time he did work but not permanently,now he keeps his pot in the pages of his bibles, there is rumors that he is bisexual, and was accused of abusing a stepdouther, his wife alnost 14 yr older than him I wasnt to read this book this guy wrote if you can e mail me the tittle or wher it comes out, we used to have the videos of songs, and god of the kid I even saw one of them in the clip and pictures, you had in the show, he left the group for reason noone tells but I did get the understanding thatit was for the wife swappin, poligamy, and sexual abuse of children, I kenw  that they don't vaccinate their children, and most of the mothers give birth at home, my nephews did, by my brothers, I her so many small details of thing that happend but no one want's to say the whole story.

 my brother  was a teen when he got in with  A cousin of my mother, he already past away.

it is sad to see the show I know there is more about it but no ona talks.

well i didnt you in fact were in that cult and had those children while you were in that cult,

you knew right from left, but yet you did nothing, you talk about when you were in that cult it was the best years of your life! dosent sound like words trying to convince any court of how abbusive a cult is to children( infact it sounds like someone who is trying to defend not condem!)

so you say im wrong!! no infact you are the one wronf in this picture!!!

when you left that cult why did you not take those children and run?

you even talked about you and your wife then being instructed to stimulate the children for sex,

you knew what was goin to happen to them at that point, no way can you tell me you had no idea they were going to rape those children, no one in this world is that dumb that they couldnt figure that out!!!

but yet you seem to have done nothing to change noones feture but your own,

that alone in my book is showing that you cared not what happend to them!!

you only cared what happened to you,  jim thats a coward hands down, and after all those children endured you asked your daughter what were the good things that happened to her that she could remember, damn boy get your head out of your ass for a min, thear are no good memories for that child to remember about all of that period of her life,

you relly dont care do you, how could you even think anything good about a cult such as that one,

instead you should be trasking them down for the police and helping your daughters put all of that in thear past,

Child sexual abuse (1 in 3 girls and 1 in 7 boys) occurs among all groups of the population. It happens to children in both rural and urban areas and in all socioeconomic and educational levels, and across all racial and cultural groups.

There is no rule governing the age range between a victim and a perpetrator. Generally, children are sexually abused by adults who are related to them or known by them or their families.

Sexual abuse is forced, tricked, or coerced sexual behavior between a young person and an older person.

Child sexual abuse may consist of any one of the following acts:

1. Nudity 2. Disrobing 3. Genital exposure 4. Inappropriate kissing or fondling 6. Masturbation 7. Oral-genital contact 8. Child pornography 9. Digital penetration 10. Vaginal or anal intercourse

Acquaintance perpetrators are the most common abusers, constituting approximately 70-90% of all reported perpetrators. In sexual abuse cases committed against females, approximately one third to one-half of all perpetrators were related to the victim. Only about one-tenth of the abusers were related to their male victims.  

If the sexual assault has occurred within 72 hours of a physical examination, forensic evidence collection should be conducted.  A complete physical examination, including careful documentation of any lacerations, ecchymoses or petechiae, is critical. Physical examination of the oral cavity includes inspection of the hard and soft palate for bruising or petechiae, and inspection of the frenulum for any lacerations that can result from forced oral penetration. 

Rape evidence collection kits are available in the emergency department of most hospitals. Evaluation of acute sexual assault may be conducted in an emergency department setting or, if available, at a children's advocacy center. In nonacute cases, the office of the family physician has the benefit of being a familiar location for the patient.  The physician should maintain a gentle and calm demeanor and be considerate of the apprehensive child. It is helpful to explain the examination beforehand to the patient and caretaker.

Medical problems include anogential trauma, bleeding, irritation or discharge, dysuria, frequent urinary tract infections, encopresis, enuresis (especially after continence has been acheived), pregnancy, diagnosis of a sexually transmitted disease (STD) and oral trauma. 

Children may present with somatic complaints such as recurrent agdominal pain or frequent headaches resulting from the psychologic stress.  Sexual acting-out behavior is the most specific indicator of possible sexual abuse.

Child sexual abuse generally refers to sexual acts, sexually motivated behaviors, or sexual exploitation involving children. Child sexual abuse includes a wide range of behaviors, such as:  

• Oral, anal, or genital penile penetration
• Anal or genital digital or other penetration
• Genital contact with no intrusion
• Fondling of a child's breasts or buttocks
• Indecent exposure
• Inadequate or inappropriate supervision of a child's voluntary sexual activities
• Use of a child in prostitution, pornography, Internet crimes, or other sexually exploitative activities

Sexual abuse includes both touching offenses (fondling or sexual intercourse) and nontouching offenses (exposing a child to pornographic materials) and can involve varying degrees of violence and emotional trauma.   

The most commonly reported cases involve incest, or sexual abuse occurring among family members, including those in biological families, adoptive families, and stepfamilies. Incest most often occurs within a father-daughter relationship.   

Mother-son, father-son, and sibling-sibling incest also occurs. Sexual abuse is also sometimes committed by other relatives or caretakers.   

Consider the possibility of sexual abuse when the child:  

• Has difficulty walking or sitting
• Suddenly refuses to change for gym or to participate in physical activities
• Reports nightmares or bedwetting
• Experiences a sudden change in appetite
• Demonstrates bizarre, sophisticated, or unusual sexual knowledge or behavior
• Becomes pregnant or contracts a venereal disease, particularly if under age 14
• Runs away
• Reports sexual abuse by a parent or another adult caregiver

Consider the possibility of sexual abuse when the parent or other adult caregiver:  

• Is unduly protective of the child or severely limits the child's contact with other children, especially of the opposite sex
• Is secretive and isolated
• Is jealous or controlling with family members 

The presence of a single sign does not prove child abuse is occurring in a family; however, when these signs appear repeatedly or in combination you should take a closer look at the situation and consider the possibility of child sexual abuse.   

Hope it helps!  

THIS IS NINA THE OLDEST SISTER TO KRISTI AND JIM'S DAUGHTER. JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK U FOR THE OFFER TO HELP US. RIGHT NOW IM FINE BUT WISH KRISTI WOULD HEAL HER PREOMBLEM WITH MY  DAD I HAVE HEALED FROM THE PAST

 and im very glad to hear you have healed and i relly do hope your little sister is able to heal as well, but all i can tell you is if you girls had been my daughters that cult never would have gotton thear sinful hands on you girls, it wouldnt have mattered to me what a court order said, if i knew what thear plans were for all you children as jim knew i would have taken you children and left that state, also i would have gone to the president of this country with my story and the f-b-i as well,even if it ment i was goin to jail, that would have been better for you children than to fall in the hands of a group of sinners such as that cult, if jim would have shown a bit more back bone with the courts order it is very possable the judge would have reversed his or hers desision! you girls would have not been placed with your mother by the court untill a through unvestagion into all the alligations were cheacked out by the court! as i know had they went ahead and placed you children with out cheacking jims story out they the court and state would have been responcible for you girls well being, and thears not a judge in this ciuntry willing to just take a foolish chance like that, all the abuse you and your sister had to indoure  could have been avoided!!! i am glad you girls got away with your lives, and just know your mothers day is coming when she can nolonger avoid ancering for her sins against you girls, and she wont be able to lie, god already knows the truth!!! god bless you and your little sister and i have to tell you your heart is in the right place it takes a very strong and honest person to be able to forgive what you went through and be able to put it behind you,

stay strong for you and your little sister, god bless  you both

 Who is Warren Jeffs in reality? A freak? A bad person? And how did this cult of his come into existence? The answers to these questions shocked me a couple of months ago when I learned about  him on the internet ! His socalled cult was a part of the Mormon Church where in Utah they worshipped and practiced with the other non cultic Mormons in harmony while not being cultic themselves at the time.....before Utah became a state of the USA! The condition that Utah had to accept to be allowed to be a part of the USA was to put an end to polygamy within its' borders...a common practice within Mormonism. For the vast number of Mormons this created no major inconvenience in regards to the practice of their religion and maintaining their residency in Utah after it became a state of the USA. For other Mormons this was a condition they were not ready to accept. They consequently moved out of Utah to the designated area as mentionned in this program, and if not right away, later on adhered to the teachings of Warren Jeffs, THEIR Mormon Prophet. All Mormons have a prophet that they are obliged to obey. Unlike the average Mormon the mormons who were followers of Warren Jeffs became Fundamentalist Mormons who continued in the practice of polygamy.

    At the time of my learning of Warren Jeffs he was on the FBI's most wanted list as a result of acts of pedophilia and the officiating of  marraiges of underaged children. I learned this soon after being told by a Mormon that no mormon prophet can lead his followers to do wrong! Like DUHH! I brought this information to the attention of the Mormon in question on a "flaming board" on a game site on the web only to have the post removed by administration who were convinced somehow that I wanted to speak on the topic of pedophelia instead of on the topic of this prophet who can't lead his followers to do wrong. (I have since left that site).

   I was born into the Catholic religion as a child. I was told that I had to be a good catholic to get into heaven....whatever that was suppossed to have been. Ironically, as a result of being a Catholic and having the need to please God I became what is referred to as a Born Again Christian. Though originally a joyful transition it didn't take long for that belief system to make not much sense.....because I was lonely and as a result wound up committing the sin of idolatry....putting other Christians before God. On the whole it was not the overall joyful experience it was painted out to be. For the last several years I wanted to quit Christianity but was afraid to because I might "lose my salvation" and end up in Hell forever. After a brief stay in the psychiatric ward that I had to fight to obtain, I decided that no G(g)od of any religion organised or not was worthy of a return to such a ward.

  Consequently, I'm no longer brainwashed and am surprised by the similarities between atheism and Fundamentalist Christianity. Yes, similarities! Athiests call themselves non believers in any god but often preach "political correctness" in the same way that pastors preach the Bible! And both have the equal capacity to brainwash those who are lonely or in some other way vulnerable!

  I'm 51 yrs old and though I have had no real connection with church since 2002 I do get lonely at times and do fear about where I will end up after my physical death. If for no other reason being agnostic doesn't offer an answer to the question, where did humankind begin? Believers in the BIg BANG theory can't present a convincing argument for such being the origin of life.  So I do get nervous about the future sometimes! But I do experience more freedom today than when I was a Christian!