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Topic : 08/24 The Family Cult

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(Original Air Date: 10/03/05) Imagine growing up in a cult where you are forced to have sex with strangers -- when you’re as young as 5. Dr. Phil talks to people who escaped the group known as the Children of God, and need help moving on. Meet a daughter who says she can’t forgive her father for the years of painful abuse she suffered at the hands of this cult. How can she reconnect with her dad and start trusting again? Plus, China and her husband, John, are building a new life after leaving the group, where they were forced to have sex with strangers when they were both underage. They’ve had a difficult time adjusting to the outside world, and China wonders if she should prosecute her parents for abuse. What does Dr. Phil think? Talk about the show here.

 

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October 3, 2005, 4:36 pm PDT

brave people

You survivors are such brave strong people for getting out of that horrific situation and living your own lives. 

PLease be strong and make sure you get councelling and are able to move on with your life. 

Christie I know you want your father to understand but remember  he is scarred from all of this also and you can just see the pain in his face as he sits there talking. 

The anger is his way of dealing woth his scars and you both need to learn to be strong on your own and together. 

I was sexually abused by my father and I had to forgive him  to be able to move ahead in life. 

That is the only way to clear the anger and revenge. 

Write me if you like. 

  

 
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October 3, 2005, 4:47 pm PDT

I believe her

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My name is Julia Kelly, seventeen years old, and I was born and grew up in the Family International. Never once was I ever abused in any way, physically, sexually, emotionally or otherwise. I was home schooled my whole life, and very happy with the results. I feel just as educated, if not more so, than any student fresh out of high school.  Home schooling, by the way, is something done by hundreds of thousands of citizens all over the United States and not at all unusual. 

For the record, though it seems ridiculous to even mention, I have written checks, opened my own bank account, have a high school diploma, am working on my drivers license, and know how to use a vending machine (If you get it, you get it).  

Living in a Family home, I have a life that supplies my every need, I am advancing in my chosen field of work, happy and fulfilled with what I spend my days doing, in a loving, caring, supportive environment. If I had the slightest inkling that any abuse or mistreatment was going on in my house, (where there are eight children under the age of five), I would report it to authorities without delay. 

I have reiterated this statement numerous times, as have hundreds of current second-generation Family members. I live my life for others in a Christian organization that has only ever helped me to be a better person and live a happy life. All I’m asking is that I be able to continue to do so without my way of life being slandered and my organization being made out to be an abusive, unsafe, malicious cult.  

That’s the long and the short of it. I won’t feel guilty because I don’t have time to rebut every accusation and complaint made – the facts are there if you’re looking for them. I have a wonderful life that I’d rather live to the full than spend defending to those who have not moved on with theirs.  

To the general public, check your facts, please. Don’t let it be said of you that you’ll believe the first thing you read and run with it, you’re better than that. Go to www.myconclusion.com and read for yourself what current and former Family members have to say about The Family International. Make up your mind after having heard both sides and see which one holds more water. 

I read all the links I have been given here- completely. (After I discovered pages 2 and 3 -blush) 

I have to say, I do believe there are regional disparities that may explain the difference in experiences?  

How can  some individuals experience such a horrific time and others in the same "religion" have  an  exact opposite experience? 

  

I believe it is a matter of certain groups functioning differently. I do not think all of these people are liars! I was raised a Witness as I said before. I have known a lot of other Witnesses. There is a difference between one congregation and another. There are even differences within the same congregations. I have seen this in other churches also. (I spent a long time looking)  

  

I do believe that not every outcropping of this 'religion' have behaved  in identical manners.  

After having read the letters that are sent to their missionaries, however, I believe the foundation is the same and can easily see where the deep depravity comes from. 

  

It is planted there. I guess the interpretation is left to the individual communal groups? 

 
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October 3, 2005, 4:50 pm PDT

Won't somebody tell the truth??

  

   Ok, I'll say it. My name is Mishael. I am now a single mother of 5, 33 years old, born & raised in the Family. Yes, I've had a hard life. Yes, I did experience some "inappropriate sexual acts" while in the cult. The thing is that I'm SO SICK of hearing about all of this!! Why can't someone put on a show about these cults that's objective & unbias?? What's wrong with the world that they can't seem to see anything or hear anything unless it's filled with sensationalism!! What about digging in to truely find out what happened & what's going on. I have my story. I won't be judged for it nor for who I am as a result. I'm very different from most of the world. There are years of my life that seem to be missing and yes, as a result it's hard for me to relate on certain topics such as music, TV, etc. from certain years of my lifetime. I am not ashamed. I am a survivor.  Do I think that the way that I was raised was right, no. That's obvious & I truely wouldn't wish it on anyone. At the same time I do know that there's a God & I won't let what happened to me in the past ruin my life now nor the lives of my wonderful kids. I'm determined to give them a better life.  

 
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October 3, 2005, 5:05 pm PDT

Some say that...

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I have family on the eastcoast who belong  to the Jehovah witness cult or church whichever you want to call it. 

I have been told by several of my family members that they cannot talk to me if I am not a member of the church. 

Is this correct? 

If so.. what kind of so called church would seperate families like that? 

God would not like this way of thinking . 

  

Actually, that is not a guideline they go by. At least they never did. I have even been told by my family members that they even lightening up on some of the rules they had when still when I left. 

  

The only time they really discourage contact with family members that are not Witnesses is when that person has been excommunicated or left on bad terms. They do have a thing called  being "publicly reproved" which only means the elders state they do not approve of the open behavior the person is engaging in but cannot kick them out as they are not baptised. Some congregations take this as  deeming the silent treatment, but it is not what it is supposed to mean. It is supposed to mean, "When see that guy smoking, or notice that single girl is pregnant, don't think we think it's okay."  

  

I have heard of times they discourage contact with family members that are trying to get you to leave the Witness organization, but many companies and clubs have a form of that. Heck, even Amway does that! 

 
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October 3, 2005, 5:12 pm PDT

doctor phil

Should Kristi or her sister or any other young person of this cult need a home to come to - I am here to help you Dr. Phil.  I live in Orlando and there are lots of jobs here.  A quiet neighborhood where these young people can adjust back into society by attending CFU or working.  Please contact me if you think one/two of them needs to start a new life.  My heart is open to helping them readjust.  There would be no pressure regarding any contracts/profit making or the like.  Just the warmth of a friendship and guidance for them.
 
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October 3, 2005, 6:33 pm PDT

Unbiased and objective?

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   Ok, I'll say it. My name is Mishael. I am now a single mother of 5, 33 years old, born & raised in the Family. Yes, I've had a hard life. Yes, I did experience some "inappropriate sexual acts" while in the cult. The thing is that I'm SO SICK of hearing about all of this!! Why can't someone put on a show about these cults that's objective & unbias?? What's wrong with the world that they can't seem to see anything or hear anything unless it's filled with sensationalism!! What about digging in to truely find out what happened & what's going on. I have my story. I won't be judged for it nor for who I am as a result. I'm very different from most of the world. There are years of my life that seem to be missing and yes, as a result it's hard for me to relate on certain topics such as music, TV, etc. from certain years of my lifetime. I am not ashamed. I am a survivor.  Do I think that the way that I was raised was right, no. That's obvious & I truely wouldn't wish it on anyone. At the same time I do know that there's a God & I won't let what happened to me in the past ruin my life now nor the lives of my wonderful kids. I'm determined to give them a better life.  

How would you present this story in an objective and unbiased way?  There can be no OBJECTIVE way of describing the CRIME that was committed against children.  The leaders/offenders should be in jail.  I cannot imagine how a mother could allow her babies to be used/abused in such a way.  Most of us would try to kill to protect our children.  Wouldn't you?  May I suggest that you do get counseling now?  You may very well be a 'survivor', but surviving doesn't necessarily mean happiness and contentment and your message is transmitting a lot of anger.    I wish the happiness and much love for you and your family.
 
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October 3, 2005, 6:36 pm PDT

Orlando

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Should Kristi or her sister or any other young person of this cult need a home to come to - I am here to help you Dr. Phil.  I live in Orlando and there are lots of jobs here.  A quiet neighborhood where these young people can adjust back into society by attending CFU or working.  Please contact me if you think one/two of them needs to start a new life.  My heart is open to helping them readjust.  There would be no pressure regarding any contracts/profit making or the like.  Just the warmth of a friendship and guidance for them.
Did you hear recently on the local news that this cult leader was thought to be in or around the Leesburg area (near Orlando)?  I haven't heard anything in the past couple of weeks so I don't know if he was located or not.  Maybe once it hit the news he fled elsewhere.
 
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October 3, 2005, 6:56 pm PDT

Cult Baby

My name is Joni,  I am 27 years old and I was born and raised in the cult known as the Children of God/The Family. I grew up in the cult along with both China and John and can personally attest to the truth of all they described.  

  

As to the poster who stated that we, the second generation of the cult should "chill out": I ask these question:  Would you 'chill out' when you saw your 4 yr old sister beaten to the point where she was bruised from the backs of her knees to her neck and had to be bedridden for a month? Would you stay 'chilled' after you are thrown to the ground and raped and told you must never speak of it, but rather forgive and move on? Would you simply 'chill' while your 7 yr old brother is thrown repeatedly against a bunkbed and whipped with a mony belt? How 'chilled out' do you think you'd feel as a 12 yr old after you were striped naked and spanked with a wooden paddle in front of over 30 of your peers, both male and female?  

  

These are only a few of the many horrors I have been subject to and witnessed. Perhaps you can understand now why I cannot simply, as you put it "chill out".... 

 
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October 3, 2005, 7:00 pm PDT

10/03 The Family Cult

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I read all the links I have been given here- completely. (After I discovered pages 2 and 3 -blush) 

I have to say, I do believe there are regional disparities that may explain the difference in experiences?  

How can  some individuals experience such a horrific time and others in the same "religion" have  an  exact opposite experience? 

  

I believe it is a matter of certain groups functioning differently. I do not think all of these people are liars! I was raised a Witness as I said before. I have known a lot of other Witnesses. There is a difference between one congregation and another. There are even differences within the same congregations. I have seen this in other churches also. (I spent a long time looking)  

  

I do believe that not every outcropping of this 'religion' have behaved  in identical manners.  

After having read the letters that are sent to their missionaries, however, I believe the foundation is the same and can easily see where the deep depravity comes from. 

  

It is planted there. I guess the interpretation is left to the individual communal groups? 

Often the reason some people had an "exact opposite experience" than those of us who were abused is because they do not choose to consider it "abuse." Do you remember how the women on the show said they thought it was normal until they left? They didn't know anything else existed? The group has had a complicated situation because they had to ban their former practices but then they had trouble because people, as they put it, started to get the idea that their Berg had been wrong. This is a group that drilled its kids in responding to questions from authorities and even in how to not draw pictures that suggested they were abused. They taught that if it was done in love, it was pure.  Some of the girls who were sexually abused alongside me say the same things "I never saw, never heard, never knew."  And then they are surprised that those of us who decided not to take it feel abandoned and betrayed!  My own parents betrayed me too.   

  

They also taught us that we would be taken away forever if anyone heard that we'd had sex with an  adult, much less a parent. If you don't believe it, check out some of the cult's own publications archived for truth-telling purposes at: http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Main_Page. 

  

It's easy to sit there and say how prepared you feel to go out into society if you wish. I sincerely hope they don't have the hell some of us have. Some have not survived. The duality of what they lived and what they tell you, the outside world, is an astounding phenomenon, they were trained by an expert, a preacher by day who diddled his daughters by night.  While they belong to the group, they will close ranks.  Don't assume their words mean the same thing yours do.  There's more, for those who aren't easily impressed by sleight of tongue. He that hath an ear to hear... 

  

  

 
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October 3, 2005, 8:16 pm PDT

TV

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See? People really can't tell reality from reality TV anymore. I am sad for you Jonesy.

 Yep I believe whatever the media tells me is the truth  

 
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