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(Original Air Date: 10/03/05) Imagine growing up in a cult where you are forced to have sex with strangers -- when you’re as young as 5. Dr. Phil talks to people who escaped the group known as the Children of God, and need help moving on. Meet a daughter who says she can’t forgive her father for the years of painful abuse she suffered at the hands of this cult. How can she reconnect with her dad and start trusting again? Plus, China and her husband, John, are building a new life after leaving the group, where they were forced to have sex with strangers when they were both underage. They’ve had a difficult time adjusting to the outside world, and China wonders if she should prosecute her parents for abuse. What does Dr. Phil think? Talk about the show here.

 

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October 4, 2005, 2:23 pm PDT

Now hang on a tad

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In the USA you remain innocent until proven guilty. For being a land of truth and freedom, my personal rights are quickly vanishing, having been stolen from me by media shows like these, spreading untruths about my way of life. If you’re seeking to broadcast truth regarding the group The Family, why don’t you look into all sides, including mine? 

I think if you were to thoroughly investigate you would find that there are many more happy and well adjusted young people, most who are still members of the group, and some who have left to pursue other walks of life, then angry or abused ones. Maybe the “abuse” wasn’t as widespread as its being made out to be.  

And I don’t think it’s fair to say that because I am still a member of the group that I am somehow unable to determine or recognize abuse, or rightly choose between right and wrong. I am responsible for my own choices and decisions in life, just as you are for yours. 

The generalizations about The Family being an abusive cult are simply not true. The whole cult and everyone in it are not abusers; in fact it’s probably a safer environment over all than many other places in the world. Its almost like saying that because you were once in a car accident involving a driver from, say, Wyoming, its highly likely that anyone residing in the state of Wyoming will most likely crash into you. So what are you going to do? Have a show where you will discuss how all people from the state of Wyoming are bad drivers and how we should suspend all drivers’ licenses within that state? Or that any one hoping to be a good driver moves to another state? It’s a bit extreme when seen from that perspective. 

(Note: no offense meant to anyone in Wyoming.) 

  

            I’ve been a member of this missionary group, The Family Int., since I was 3yrs old. I am now 21yrs. I have never been abused in any way. My statement is not an “excuse”, as some have claimed, it’s simply the truth. Thank you for respecting that. 

My mother (my parents are divorced) gave me all the love and care I could ever want or need, and then some. I love you mom. I have a wonderful younger sister and the coolest little brother.  

The people who were my teachers and caretakers gave me the very best in every aspect; the education I received is invaluable, and I know I owe them a great deal of thanks for the positive influence they were in my life. 

The most valuable and treasured gift I was given was my knowledge of God and His Son Jesus. Knowing that I have my Savior forever in my heart is the most important aspect and part of my life. Being raised with the simple truth of God sending His only Son Jesus to die for my sins (Jn. 3:16) so that I could live eternally with Him in Heaven once my life on earth is done, and being given the commission of telling others who have never heard the name Jesus, of His great love for them (Mk. 16:15), has been the most wonderful part of my life. 

I know everyone doesn’t believe the way I do, God created us as individuals and as such we each connect with Him in our own way, and I have a lot of respect for the beliefs and faith of others. I’m glad that our country, the USA, allows us the right and freedom to believe in God, unlike some countries that aren’t as blessed. 

I’m disturbed by the fact that I’m defending my self, my life, and my belief in God as if I were on trial.  

I’m sorry if Jim, Kristi, China, and John, experienced a difficult life, and I truly hope that they are able to find closure for the things they experienced. Maybe they could more directly address the individuals whom they feel they were hurt by instead of targeting a whole group of people. Because all of a sudden this becomes a direct attack against me and my way of life, which is hard for me to understand seeing as I’ve never met any of them. 

But trying to tear down my life and beliefs to somehow help them feel better about theirs doesn’t seem quite right to me. I’m so sorry if to some my post seems “void of emotion” but maybe that’s due to the fact that I am not angry at anybody else. I have a happy and fulfilling life and job, I am blessed to have wonderful friends and family, and I only wish for all you who wonder about our “group” to come out and visit us for yourselves, then you would at least have a fair chance of making up your own mind as far as our “group” is concerned. 

You say " In the USA you remain innocent until proven guilty. For being a land of truth and freedom, my personal rights are quickly vanishing, having been stolen from me by media shows like these, spreading untruths about my way of life. If you’re seeking to broadcast truth regarding the group The Family." How can you lecture us about innocent until proven guilty when you're own leader just last month was talking about how Katrina was god's judgement on a evil US. Here are Zerby's quotes. Have you read them? (Mama:) So as you can see, dear Family, there are several main reasons for this storm and the destruction it has wrought: 1) America is beginning to suffer severe physical consequences for her spiritual sins. As the Lord said, "Just as the levees weren't strong enough to protect New Orleans from imminent disaster, neither were New Orleans' spiritual walls. They were weak--as shifting sand--slowly sinking along with the rest of America under the weight of her cumulative sin." 2) She's receiving the Lord's judgments for the pain and suffering and war she has inflicted upon others. 3) It's another sign of the End for America, that "all things do not continue as they have been." 4) It's the Lord's merciful warning, a call for people to examine their lives and their values and their way of life and turn again to Him. 5) It's the Lord's hand of judgment on a country that has despised His Words and misused His prophets. World Currents!--No.103: Hurricane Katrina By Maria FD/MM/FM 3562 9/05
 
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October 4, 2005, 2:54 pm PDT

To those interested in truth:

 

I’m Jason, 21 yr old living in the US, and have been a member of the Family International (the full time missionary organization that is being labeled a “cult”) since birth.   

  

Strangely enough (or maybe not so strange), for the 21 years I’ve lived and worked in this organization, I have never been abused, nor have I witnessed abuse of any kind. I’ve traveled the world, first with my parents and then as a teenager and young adult on my own, and still have never even met anyone in our organization that has suffered abuse at all, whether mental, psychological, physical, or otherwise.   

  

I’ve gotten kind of tired lately of trying to defend my chosen life, and the organization that I am proudly a part of.  If people don’t like it, they don’t have to stick around. It’s not like anyone is forced to stay. People don’t “escape” from the Family, if they don’t like it; they simply walk out the door. And as far as all of you who have never been in The Family, I’d suggest contacting us, and finding our side of the story before labeling us as a “cruel, godless, cult, run by monsters”.  

  

We’re missionaries! 

  

 We’re the ones that help people in places like New Orleans with Katrina, or Asia with the Tsunami’s. And apart from all our humanitarian aid work, and comforting of the needy, we also have firm belief in Jesus, and are proud to give his message of Love and salvation to everyone we meet.  

  

Abuse? I think not! 

  

Why do people ignore the fact that court case after court case has found our organization to be a safe and actually psychologically superior place for children to be brought up?  If any of this alleged abuse ever actually happened, it must have happened 20 or more years ago, and even then it’s questionable.  The Family is, and has always been, a safe, pleasant environment for children, a challenging adventurous life for the adolescent, and a fulfilling, inspiring life of dedication and service to God and our fellow man, for the rest of us.  

  

Need I say more? 

  

Everyone who is in the Family is here because they want to be. And those who left mostly moved on with their lives. As opposed to a vocal few who either for financial gain, or for sympathy, are spending their lives trying to blame their misfortune on their past and upbringing. I don’t need or want to be rescued from the life I have chosen. All we ask is that we are left alone to serve the Lord as we please. 

  

We are here to change the world one heart at a time. To make the world a better place through the love of Jesus, and our fellow man. 

  

Why not join us! 

 
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October 4, 2005, 3:28 pm PDT

How about you Use some Logic

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I’m Jason, 21 yr old living in the US, and have been a member of the Family International (the full time missionary organization that is being labeled a “cult”) since birth.   

  

Strangely enough (or maybe not so strange), for the 21 years I’ve lived and worked in this organization, I have never been abused, nor have I witnessed abuse of any kind. I’ve traveled the world, first with my parents and then as a teenager and young adult on my own, and still have never even met anyone in our organization that has suffered abuse at all, whether mental, psychological, physical, or otherwise.   

  

I’ve gotten kind of tired lately of trying to defend my chosen life, and the organization that I am proudly a part of.  If people don’t like it, they don’t have to stick around. It’s not like anyone is forced to stay. People don’t “escape” from the Family, if they don’t like it; they simply walk out the door. And as far as all of you who have never been in The Family, I’d suggest contacting us, and finding our side of the story before labeling us as a “cruel, godless, cult, run by monsters”.  

  

We’re missionaries! 

  

 We’re the ones that help people in places like New Orleans with Katrina, or Asia with the Tsunami’s. And apart from all our humanitarian aid work, and comforting of the needy, we also have firm belief in Jesus, and are proud to give his message of Love and salvation to everyone we meet.  

  

Abuse? I think not! 

  

Why do people ignore the fact that court case after court case has found our organization to be a safe and actually psychologically superior place for children to be brought up?  If any of this alleged abuse ever actually happened, it must have happened 20 or more years ago, and even then it’s questionable.  The Family is, and has always been, a safe, pleasant environment for children, a challenging adventurous life for the adolescent, and a fulfilling, inspiring life of dedication and service to God and our fellow man, for the rest of us.  

  

Need I say more? 

  

Everyone who is in the Family is here because they want to be. And those who left mostly moved on with their lives. As opposed to a vocal few who either for financial gain, or for sympathy, are spending their lives trying to blame their misfortune on their past and upbringing. I don’t need or want to be rescued from the life I have chosen. All we ask is that we are left alone to serve the Lord as we please. 

  

We are here to change the world one heart at a time. To make the world a better place through the love of Jesus, and our fellow man. 

  

Why not join us! 

I just want to respond to one thing you said right now.  You said: 

  

"It’s not like anyone is forced to stay. People don’t “escape” from the Family, if they don’t like it; they simply walk out the door." 

  

It used to be that you had to run away. I had to run away and it was that way for years for kids raised there. You members seem to think that because you were forced to stop something and can say things "don't happen," it makes some kind of difference over what did happen and what your leaders did. 

  

  

   

 
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October 4, 2005, 3:29 pm PDT

Missionary work eh?

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I’m Jason, 21 yr old living in the US, and have been a member of the Family International (the full time missionary organization that is being labeled a “cult”) since birth.   

  

Strangely enough (or maybe not so strange), for the 21 years I’ve lived and worked in this organization, I have never been abused, nor have I witnessed abuse of any kind. I’ve traveled the world, first with my parents and then as a teenager and young adult on my own, and still have never even met anyone in our organization that has suffered abuse at all, whether mental, psychological, physical, or otherwise.   

  

I’ve gotten kind of tired lately of trying to defend my chosen life, and the organization that I am proudly a part of.  If people don’t like it, they don’t have to stick around. It’s not like anyone is forced to stay. People don’t “escape” from the Family, if they don’t like it; they simply walk out the door. And as far as all of you who have never been in The Family, I’d suggest contacting us, and finding our side of the story before labeling us as a “cruel, godless, cult, run by monsters”.  

  

We’re missionaries! 

  

 We’re the ones that help people in places like New Orleans with Katrina, or Asia with the Tsunami’s. And apart from all our humanitarian aid work, and comforting of the needy, we also have firm belief in Jesus, and are proud to give his message of Love and salvation to everyone we meet.  

  

Abuse? I think not! 

  

Why do people ignore the fact that court case after court case has found our organization to be a safe and actually psychologically superior place for children to be brought up?  If any of this alleged abuse ever actually happened, it must have happened 20 or more years ago, and even then it’s questionable.  The Family is, and has always been, a safe, pleasant environment for children, a challenging adventurous life for the adolescent, and a fulfilling, inspiring life of dedication and service to God and our fellow man, for the rest of us.  

  

Need I say more? 

  

Everyone who is in the Family is here because they want to be. And those who left mostly moved on with their lives. As opposed to a vocal few who either for financial gain, or for sympathy, are spending their lives trying to blame their misfortune on their past and upbringing. I don’t need or want to be rescued from the life I have chosen. All we ask is that we are left alone to serve the Lord as we please. 

  

We are here to change the world one heart at a time. To make the world a better place through the love of Jesus, and our fellow man. 

  

Why not join us! 

More recent writings from your cult on such topics as the Tsunami and Katrina GN 1147 FD/MM/FM World Currents!--No.103: Hurricane Katrina By Maria FD/MM/FM 3562 9/05 Jesus:) On the day of this disaster [the Asian tsunami], December 26--not yet 24 hours past the earthly celebration of My birth--Hell belched and spewed forth Cyclor and his legions. This was no ordinary earthquake from the depths of the sea. On this day there was a great rumbling from the pits of Hell, and in the netherworld Satan opened his cavernous gates and out came Cyclor and his legions of demons. His power has now been unleashed to touch and hurt the Earth and the peoples of the Earth. His time has begun, and so must the Earth and the physical elements be touched in cataclysmic and catastrophic ways before the final end of days will begin for all the Earth. 72. Although this country has been wicked and vile in their sins before Me, and although they have treated you so wrongly, I am still willing to give another chance to those who have most directly felt My hand of judgment. Each has their sins and wrongdoings, none are perfect before Me, and I have allowed each affected person to be affected for My own reasons,
 
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October 4, 2005, 4:20 pm PDT

Think about it

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In the USA you remain innocent until proven guilty. For being a land of truth and freedom, my personal rights are quickly vanishing, having been stolen from me by media shows like these, spreading untruths about my way of life. If youre seeking to broadcast truth regarding the group The Family, why dont you look into all sides, including mine?

I think if you were to thoroughly investigate you would find that there are many more happy and well adjusted young people, most who are still members of the group, and some who have left to pursue other walks of life, then angry or abused ones. Maybe the abuse wasnt as widespread as its being made out to be.

And I dont think its fair to say that because I am still a member of the group that I am somehow unable to determine or recognize abuse, or rightly choose between right and wrong. I am responsible for my own choices and decisions in life, just as you are for yours.

The generalizations about The Family being an abusive cult are simply not true. The whole cult and everyone in it are not abusers; in fact its probably a safer environment over all than many other places in the world. Its almost like saying that because you were once in a car accident involving a driver from, say, Wyoming, its highly likely that anyone residing in the state of Wyoming will most likely crash into you. So what are you going to do? Have a show where you will discuss how all people from the state of Wyoming are bad drivers and how we should suspend all drivers licenses within that state? Or that any one hoping to be a good driver moves to another state? Its a bit extreme when seen from that perspective.

(Note: no offense meant to anyone in Wyoming.)

Ive been a member of this missionary group, The Family Int., since I was 3yrs old. I am now 21yrs. I have never been abused in any way. My statement is not an excuse, as some have claimed, its simply the truth. Thank you for respecting that.

My mother (my parents are divorced) gave me all the love and care I could ever want or need, and then some. I love you mom. I have a wonderful younger sister and the coolest little brother.

The people who were my teachers and caretakers gave me the very best in every aspect; the education I received is invaluable, and I know I owe them a great deal of thanks for the positive influence they were in my life.

The most valuable and treasured gift I was given was my knowledge of God and His Son Jesus. Knowing that I have my Savior forever in my heart is the most important aspect and part of my life. Being raised with the simple truth of God sending His only Son Jesus to die for my sins (Jn. 3:16) so that I could live eternally with Him in Heaven once my life on earth is done, and being given the commission of telling others who have never heard the name Jesus, of His great love for them (Mk. 16:15), has been the most wonderful part of my life.

I know everyone doesnt believe the way I do, God created us as individuals and as such we each connect with Him in our own way, and I have a lot of respect for the beliefs and faith of others. Im glad that our country, the USA, allows us the right and freedom to believe in God, unlike some countries that arent as blessed.

Im disturbed by the fact that Im defending my self, my life, and my belief in God as if I were on trial.

Im sorry if Jim, Kristi, China, and John, experienced a difficult life, and I truly hope that they are able to find closure for the things they experienced. Maybe they could more directly address the individuals whom they feel they were hurt by instead of targeting a whole group of people. Because all of a sudden this becomes a direct attack against me and my way of life, which is hard for me to understand seeing as Ive never met any of them.

But trying to tear down my life and beliefs to somehow help them feel better about theirs doesnt seem quite right to me. Im so sorry if to some my post seems void of emotion but maybe thats due to the fact that I am not angry at anybody else. I have a happy and fulfilling life and job, I am blessed to have wonderful friends and family, and I only wish for all you who wonder about our group to come out and visit us for yourselves, then you would at least have a fair chance of making up your own mind as far as our group is concerned.

Dear young family member: 

  

I have a few questions - when you were growing up, did you ever read the Davidito book? Would you have known if anyone was practicing what was preached in that book? How about Heaven's Girl - do you remember the part about how she was ganged raped by the AC forces and enjoyed every minute of it so she could witness to them, even though she was a young teenager?  Did you watch your mom get dressed as she prepared to go out FFing to do her religious prostitution?  Did your parents have swapping sessions?  Were they on the sharing schedule?  Did your mom dance naked for the brothers?  Did you ever attend a YES camp for young teens, engineered by Gary, Berg's right-hand man, or a victor camp? 

  

If you never experienced any of these things then you were either, a - too young to remember, b - in some far off home away from everybody, or if you experienced even some of it, that is abuse. 

  

AND, why don't you tell us the truth about what you believe about the U.S. I've read your Maria letters where she proclaims that Hurricane Katrina happened as a judgment of God on the U.S. because of bad publicity.  How frickin arrogant can you get?  Please, spare me the "we're so wonderful" rant.  

  

 If Maria could find it within herself to admit to HER AND BERG's (or father David or Grandpa Mo or whatever you call him now) mistakes of the past, then maybe we could all move on, but she won't because then she might lose her following. She is a pathetic person and you are rightly put in the spotlight, yes, you and your life, because you are willingly following her and defending her and her's and Peter's doctrines. 

  

And maybe we could address the "individuals" responsible for the abuse if YOUR group didn't have them in hiding, constantly changing names and moving them around to different countries and usually in countries with no extradition treaties which makes it impossible to track them down.  And why would The Family do that, you ask?  Because they still believe in their Law of Love doctrine even if they can't practice all of it the way they would like. 

  

Right - throw another one at me - right back at ya! 

  

In my opinion, you still aren't thinking for yourself. 

 
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October 4, 2005, 4:22 pm PDT

10/03 The Family Cult

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Fair enough.  

  

But tell me this - did we give the aforementioned individuals who wrote books grief for doing so or did we applaud them for bringing exposure to the cult?  Have we wished them well in their endeavors and do we hope that they will profit in some way (financially or otherwise), or do we hope that their books flop?  

  

I believe you know the answer to these questions ... 

Hi Windy - actually I never really heard any well wishes from Jim, mostly I heard demands on people not doing enough, since you mentioned that. None of the above mentioned book writers made any money, it was an attempt at promoting the truth and warning others.  Una never even got her million dollars as Berg ran out of the U.S. to escape prosecution. And I don't hope for anyone's books to flop, Jim's or anyones, that is not the point and I don't care if anyone makes money off  of it. My point was, he is not alone in this endeavor.
 
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October 4, 2005, 4:24 pm PDT

as predicted, the 20 somethings show up

Here they are, in full force, just as when Ricky committed murder and suicide, The Family International has called out their trained monkeys of 20 year olds to proclaim that they were never abused and how wonderful The Family is.  Notice how they are all around 20?  Interesting.
 
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October 4, 2005, 4:31 pm PDT

What exactly are you doing to assist HK evacuees?

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You say " In the USA you remain innocent until proven guilty. For being a land of truth and freedom, my personal rights are quickly vanishing, having been stolen from me by media shows like these, spreading untruths about my way of life. If youre seeking to broadcast truth regarding the group The Family." How can you lecture us about innocent until proven guilty when you're own leader just last month was talking about how Katrina was god's judgement on a evil US. Here are Zerby's quotes. Have you read them? (Mama:) So as you can see, dear Family, there are several main reasons for this storm and the destruction it has wrought: 1) America is beginning to suffer severe physical consequences for her spiritual sins. As the Lord said, "Just as the levees weren't strong enough to protect New Orleans from imminent disaster, neither were New Orleans' spiritual walls. They were weak--as shifting sand--slowly sinking along with the rest of America under the weight of her cumulative sin." 2) She's receiving the Lord's judgments for the pain and suffering and war she has inflicted upon others. 3) It's another sign of the End for America, that "all things do not continue as they have been." 4) It's the Lord's merciful warning, a call for people to examine their lives and their values and their way of life and turn again to Him. 5) It's the Lord's hand of judgment on a country that has despised His Words and misused His prophets. World Currents!--No.103: Hurricane Katrina By Maria FD/MM/FM 3562 9/05

I would assume that with your moralistic predicating you must of course be unselfishly assisting in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.  It's so easy to criticize the efforts of those who are investing their time and lives to help others, while doing absolutely nothing to make the world a better place or to help those in need.  Over 50 Family members have been donating countless hours of their time in the aftermath of the Hurricane Katrina crisis and receiving no remuneration for their efforts other than the joy of serving another.  What exactly have you invested in these efforts?  When you get out and do something, that will give you the right to speak.  Here's a quote for you: 

  

"It's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena‚ whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcomings; who knows the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at best knows in the end the high achievement of triumph, and who at worst, if he fails while daring greatly‚ knows his place shall never be with those timid and cold souls who know neither victory nor defeat."--Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919) 

 
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October 4, 2005, 4:55 pm PDT

Irked Taxpayer!

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I would assume that with your moralistic predicating you must of course be unselfishly assisting in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.  It's so easy to criticize the efforts of those who are investing their time and lives to help others, while doing absolutely nothing to make the world a better place or to help those in need.  Over 50 Family members have been donating countless hours of their time in the aftermath of the Hurricane Katrina crisis and receiving no remuneration for their efforts other than the joy of serving another.  What exactly have you invested in these efforts?  When you get out and do something, that will give you the right to speak.  Here's a quote for you: 

  

"It's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena‚ whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcomings; who knows the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at best knows in the end the high achievement of triumph, and who at worst, if he fails while daring greatly‚ knows his place shall never be with those timid and cold souls who know neither victory nor defeat."--Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919) 

Who is doing the moralistic preaching now? Your retort is presumptuous at best.  How do you know that person is doing nothing to help? Why do I have the feeling that if you saw that I posted here that I was severely abused in the Family, you would assume similar things about me?  You would be wrong, and many of us who are struggling to build lives have done whatever we could and sometimes what we shouldn't because it is a strain.  If all Family members had regular jobs you could help with more material support and less of your religion that may or may not be wanted or needed. 

  

I have a question for your leaders: where is the humanitarian aid to the survivors of your abuse?  When they slip through the cracks, are you going to step up to the plate and pay for the cost to society of your nightmarish experiment?  Probably not.  The rest of us survivors will do what we can and the rest will be all of us taxpayers' burden.  If you are going to fight fires, why refuse to help put out the fires you started? 

 
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October 4, 2005, 5:30 pm PDT

To the young family member

In the USA you are innocent until proven guilty? I thought you guys called it America the Whore. Does that sound at all familiar to you young family member?
 
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