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Topic : 10/05 Moms: Cut the Chaos

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Created on : Friday, September 30, 2005, 03:36:12 pm
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Moms do everything from kissing scraped knees, to being taxi drivers to coaching soccer — all at the same time! Ginger says she is overwhelmed by all the cooking, cleaning, driving and disciplining she has to do for her five children. She says her husband doesn't pitch in because he thinks it's a woman's job. Next, Amy says that with three kids under the age of 6, her house is in utter chaos. Her husband, Jeremie, doesn't know how to help, so Dr. Phil sends in "The Mom Squad" to help Amy get her household in order. And, Lexi says the way her mom dresses embarrasses her, and she pleads with Dr. Phil to help. Learn how to organize your life and even enjoy some "Mom Time." Are you a stressed out mom? Tell us!

 

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October 6, 2005, 10:24 am PDT

I'm not sure if you know it but....

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First of all discussing is one thing, whinning is another. I understand support, but I think some of you just want an excuse to whin about "all" the work  they do as a "housewife" I do that and work full time and go to school also. I know its hard, I'm not saying that, I just get tired of hearing how stay at home moms are so "stressed out".  Imagine working full time "outside" the home, and school,  spouse's in school and working full time. I'm so tired of hearing about how stay at home moms work so hard.  I think the point to this message board is to post your thoughts and opinions... There are some people out there that have opposing views and if you don't like what I said, don't read it!!! 

What you're doing is coming across as a bit holier than thou. You seem to be saying that your cross is harder to bear than any stay at home mom. 

  

I've been both a working mom and a stay at home and in my experience, working was much easier in one way. I got to have adult conversations where I was just me during the day while my baby was looked after. I'd rush home to feed him twice a day but then it was back to work where everything made sense. The only flaw in that plan was that I missed my son so much it hurt. 

  

As a stay at home mom, I had all the benefits of spending every moment with my son but when I started staying home he was 1 which meant that every one of his waking hours was centered on him no matter how I felt or what I needed. No "poor me" in that, it's simply the way it is. 24 hours of child care is just more draining on me than a few hours of childcare broken up by 8 hours of work and an hour of travelling time. When I worked, I could stop by the grocery store for 20 minutes to pick up a few things. When I was home full time, grocery shopping was a highly planned and organized thing because we gave up our vehicle to let me stay home.  

  

I have a number of friends who chose to or had to continue working and quite a few of them have said it's a huge relief when Monday comes around and they get to go to work to get a break from their kids :) Stay at home moms rarely get a break from their routine. On the flip side of that, my working friends had to miss some of the milestones, go through tremendous stress and guilt if their child is ill and they stay home.. or don't stay home. We stay at home moms get to happily mop up after a sick child without that guilt... unless it was our cooking that made them sick.  

  

Working parents and stay at home parents both have benefits and drawbacks that are difficult. My husband would actually have made a better stay at home parent than I am but the reality is that his salary was greater than mine so we could only "afford" to give up mine.  

  

That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with a little whining. Sometimes we all need to feel that we're heard or we have a need to just get it out on the table so we can deal with it. When I'm overwhelmed, I give myself some time to be cranky, or to cry or punch a few pillows and sometimes I sit my sweetie down and whine to him for 10 minutes while he tries to nod and bite his tongue. I listen when he whines about work and then I hug him and make him feel a bit better. Nothing wrong with that :) 

 
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October 6, 2005, 10:53 am PDT

Where there is a will there is a way

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Question? We all talk about the things we have to do which is fine. I actually look forward to staying home with the kids soon . But my thing is ,"what do you women do for extra cash?" I have always made my own money. So when I decide to stay home its going to be hard on me. Alot of these home based business they involve money to start with. Any ideas women. I want to get it started now before i stop working . Everyone says start your own business and I say yeah okkkkk... but of what???? 

If you wish to be a Stay at home Mom- there are part time jobs you can do but the main thing is cutting back on things- My son is 16 now and I have ALWAYS worked some type of part time job so I could be at home when he gets in from school and spend as much time as possible with him adn Hubby. 

Before he started school I kept a few children in my home- gave me extra money but allowed me to be home also. 

When he started school I did substitute teaching at the schools- good hours and since it is on a as needed basis I still had days during the week to get things at home done when he was at school. 

He is now in High School and I clean several houses so I can attend his sports, ect. 

Fortunatly I have a supportive husband so I can do this. 

  

Look at your bills and see where things could be cut back on- 

phone bill, cell phone bill, cable, power, gas, groceries,  

Do a budget and stick to it. 

  

Good luck- I think kids grow up so quickly I dont blame anyone who wishes to be at home with them- however it is NOT for everyone :) 

 
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October 6, 2005, 11:47 am PDT

10/05 Moms: Cut the Chaos

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Dr. Phil,  I am a woman of color and a stay at home mom for the moment after having surgery.  I watched the show Moms: Cut The Chaos and thought it was very informative, but am a little disappointed that not one of the moms on the show was a woman of color.  Our lives as moms are just as chaotic as a white moms, if not more so, and we have the same sort of problems emotionally and physically as any white person.  As a person of color who watches your show ( and I'm sure there are a lot of us), it would be nice to see at least one person of color more often than not, and that should basically goe for all the shows on television. 
 I'm not a woman of color, but I would be interested in seeing your point of view also.  Perhaps no women of color call to be on the show?  Just a thought.  Maybe you could be on the show. :-)  You sound like you have a lot going on.
 
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October 6, 2005, 1:46 pm PDT

10/05 Moms: Cut the Chaos

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First of all my husband is in the fire department and works 24 hours, so I do know alittle something about what it's like to be alone the kid doing everything! I'm not a martyr... I don't believe I said that a man shouldn't help out. I believe I said that all things things should be discussed  before entering into a marriage that you know the man expects alot and the woman should do everything. I have a brother in law like that. I don't think it's right and I don't agree with it. What I'm saying is that women that don't work really shouldn't be complaining about all the work they do. There are plenty of women out there like myself do all of that and work outside the home and have other activities.  Understand??? Get a grip! 

Yeah, there are a lot of women out there who do 'it all'. I'M one of them! However, I would never be so self-righteous as to suggest that other women who aren't doing as much are just whining and should appreciate how wonderful their lives are. You know nothing of these women's lives. You assume that they didn't discuss things before marriage, what if they did and it just didn't happen? Not everything can be planned out. And yes, you did suggest that a man shouldn't help out b/c you didn't list it in his 'job description'. So calm down sweetie and ask yourself if you really have the right to accuse these women of whining when you know very little about them. 

Oh and for the record, I've done both. I've been a stay-at-home-mom and I'm currently working, going to school and have my three boys full-time, their father never takes them or helps with them. Being a stay-at-home-mom was much more difficult. It required much more patience and more work. Not to even mention the lack of adult communication. My personal opinion, as someone whos been in both positions, is that being a SAHM is much more difficult.  

 
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October 6, 2005, 1:54 pm PDT

10/05 Moms: Cut the Chaos

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First of all discussing is one thing, whinning is another. I understand support, but I think some of you just want an excuse to whin about "all" the work  they do as a "housewife" I do that and work full time and go to school also. I know its hard, I'm not saying that, I just get tired of hearing how stay at home moms are so "stressed out".  Imagine working full time "outside" the home, and school,  spouse's in school and working full time. I'm so tired of hearing about how stay at home moms work so hard.  I think the point to this message board is to post your thoughts and opinions... There are some people out there that have opposing views and if you don't like what I said, don't read it!!! 

Well, I am in school full-time, I work, I have NO spouse and I have three boys under the age of four. So, if you wanna play 'Who Has it Worse?' I think I've got you beat. Plus, I'm going through a nasty divorce. However, I don't think this makes me any better or any more hardworking than any of these women.  

  

quote: **if you don't like what I said, don't read it!!!** 

  

Perhaps you should take your own advice on that one.  

 
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October 6, 2005, 2:54 pm PDT

Mortality Slap - Embrace the chaos!

  

Hey Moms out there, especially those who clean the floor four times a day to keep things "just right", please remember to live your life and forget about the chaos once in a while.  Being organized and neat is just lovely, but it doesn't make up for time spent doing a puzzle with the family.  Take it from me - I started my chemo this past Thursday.  I'm lucky, my breast cancer was caught very very early, so I'll be doing puzzles for many years.  But please, live your life, don't stress about the mess, and DO make that lazy man help out - he may find he has no choice sooner or later! 

 
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October 6, 2005, 3:10 pm PDT

I think you got me wrong

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It's one thing to discuss how things will work after marriage, and another to see how it pans out in reality.  We never expected to have a disabled child. We never expected me to have MS, we never expected him to have to work 80+ hrs a week.  We didn't know to plan for those things.  I'm chronically tired, so is he. Mine is from health, his from so many hours working.  He must be rested to do his job properly, and as a paramedic that is vitally important.   

  

Our kids kick in and we're getting by, but my point is that all the planning in the world doesn't always prepare you for reality.  I used to jokingly ask if he'd take care of me if I was one day in a wheelchair, but we certainly never discussed it as a real possibility.  So many things happen that change how familys function.  One would never cover them all until they happen.   

  

Yes, it's good to discuss. But to say that our struggles are our fault because we made these choices?  I didn't choose for my daughter to be disabled, or for me to have MS, or for our house to need to many repairs all of a sudden.  S**t happened and we're left to deal with it.   

  

  

I'm sorry to hear about your MS. And I'm in no way saying your wrong. I completely understand about things not going as planned. Like I didn't expect to have my father leave me with my 9 year old half brother and have me raise him when I was 20. I paid for him to go to private school, I shuttled back and forth to extra-curriculars, went to school full time, worked full time, tutored neighborhood kids, paid down student loans, took care of my household, had my grandfather die, had a cancer scare in the family, had a miscarriage, took care of my mother after she had surgery, taught tap dance after my own back surgery, ran a business with my fiance, got my real estate license, got my insurance licences, got a mortgage brokers license, AND dealt with depression and chronic fatigue--ALL starting just one month after having a bone chip removed from my hip and having six hooks, a rod, and a cage put in my spine. So believe me, I know that planning doesn't always work. However, since my brother is no longer living with us, my fiance have planned as best we can for children, managing debt, dealing with the death/disability of one of us, house fire, job loss, paying for school, managing houehold with one person or both working, who will take care of our children when one or both of us die, what we will do with posessions in event of divorce, how we will care for our parents in old age or in the event of serious illness, to whom we will bequeath our business, and what we will do if our small business folds. Our plan may go off track, but at least we have some idea of what we may deal with. We're only 23 and 27 now, but we are doing our best to get our lives in order before we get married and have kids. I've been on both ends of raising kids now, so we are lucky in that sense. 

But, my initial point was for moms to TRY to do something for themselves not family related just to feel more connected to herself. S**t happens to all of us, so I know what it means to need support. I'm sorry about your illness and I'm sorry about your duaghter's disability--but God is on your side, and I know you'll be just fine in the end. You're in my prayers. 

  

Now to the woman who said no moms of color were on the show--why make this racial? If you must know, I'm an African-American too, but was not offended by lack of brown faces on the show. I was just happy to see women giving voice to their frustrations. Don't forget, you may be black, but you are also a WOMAN, and this show was about WOMEN. Don't let race become your motivation for everything. I'm a WOMAN before I'm anything else--be it student, mother, sister, race, etc. 

 

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October 6, 2005, 3:37 pm PDT

Where is the time?

I am a 21 yr old mother of a 20month old and a 9 1/2 month old. I work partime in the evenings (my husband keeps the kids) Everyday I think of things that I am going to get done, but for some reason I can never find the time. My house is always a mess and in total kaos. It feels like no matter how hard i try I cannot get things in order. My kids seem to demand full attention and I can't find the time to vacume, wash dishes, or wash clothes unless My husband and I stay up till early morning. I find that I accomplish things much better when I have a list or chart but have been unable to come up with one. I had surgery between the births of our sons and between a surgery and 2 births in the same year I feel so tired and worn out all the time that no matter how much I coach my self to get outta bed in the morning I cant seem to do it until my kids get up which is usually around 9 or 10. I am up for a promotion at my work and have no idea how I am going to work more hrs per week when I don't get anything done with the hrs I work now. If anyone has any ideas ....... I am all ears. 

                                                                   Stressed and Worn out  

 
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October 6, 2005, 4:41 pm PDT

Stop the Insanity!

I happened to catch the show, and enjoyed it very much.  It seems to have struck a chord with women of all ages, who are mothers, working or not outside of the home.  It inspired me to write, and ask, "Where did you find your husbands?"  Are these guys really fessing up to being that insensitive?  Ladies, put your foot down, NOW!  And in defense of the men out there, give them a break, if they try and don't do something exactly as you would want it done.  Avoid unnecessary correction and criticism.  If you really are in charge of your household, it's time you include taking time out for yourself, and it's up to YOU to do it.  These are the types of shows, Dr. Phil, should do more of, instead of those where he wants to strangle the subjects.  This Mom Squad thing is pretty cool.  Keep it up!
 

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October 6, 2005, 5:08 pm PDT

10/05 Moms: Cut the Chaos

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A friend told me about flylady about 2 months ago, and it has made a huge difference at my house and in my attitude. I especially love "it didn't get that way in a day and you can't fix it in a day". That applies to my current relationship with my 13 year old daughter, too! SAHM is the career I took on when I gave up the glamourous one I had before (an Interior Designer). It  has much greater value than just making things look good on the outside. Just remember that "no success can compensate for failure in the home" (favorite quote when I'm discouraged)

Flylady is awesome.  I have done it on & off for about 3 yrs but 4 months ago I teamed up with a girl from church who also had "fluttered" for a couple of years, and we now email each other daily and hold one another accountable.  It has done wonders for us.  When one of is down and out we build the other up.  It has been awesome.  Flyladies philosophies work and she is very encouraging.  If you don't want to read all the emails just delete.  Do the daily mission, work in you zones, but most important develop your own routines and get a "system" for yourself.  At least you are making headway.  Do not expect immediate results, it takes months to actually get totally into it.  And if you can a partner it works much better.    

   The mental aspects of her site are the best thing about it, she teaches you to stop wallowing in your pool of self-pity and do something about it!!!!!! 

BTW  I am originally from Tennesssee, you know the "barefoot hillbilly"" type and the shoes are the key.  They really do work.  I get dressed and put them on every morning and they don't come off until the kids are in bed and I'm finished with everything.  It is amazing how much more productive you are with shoes.  If you'd ask me 3 years ago about that I'd have told you you were insane!!!!!! 

  

Hang in there girls you can get through it, I honestly would not allow people in my front door 3 years ago.  Now I love see people coming.   

 
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