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Imagine losing every freedom you've ever known: The freedom to drive where you want, see whom you want, buy what you want. Though Kathy and Elaine have never met, they share the common bond of being prisoners in their own relationships, trapped by abusive controlling husbands. Will they find the strength to leave? Then, Joan's husband is so controlling, he won't let her shower every day - and you'll never believe why. Plus, a former abuser seeks help for his ex-wife. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 18, 2005, 3:43 pm PDT

Been There done that

Hello ladies/Dr Phil, 

  

I was recently in an abusive relationship in my  past relationship for about 3 years and the fellow I was with was controlling and very jealous.  There were times when I had to hide outside for about an hour before I could get away from him, alot of the times he got very abusive was when he was intoxicated and I would be really scared of him, what really made me open my eyes was the last time he physically abused me and the RCMP came by my work and had a long talk with me and ask me, do you want to charge him for assault I was scared and the officer told me that "you know the next time we get a call from you, it might be from the hospital where you might be in a coma and not able to respond to them, or they would be taking me away in a bag.  This really made me open my eyes and I am thank full to the RCMP that had the talk with me,  I contacted the RCMP the following day and went through with the charges against him, I would rather be alone, then live in fear for the rest of my life. 

  

I have moved on with my life and have a common-law spouse, we have two beautiful children and this was the best move I have every made.  I no longer live in fear!  There is support out there you just need to seek it and go for it, no woman deserve to get the treatment they've been getting.  Stand up and stand strong, you can only go and don't look back.  Things will get better, just wait and see!  I've been down that road and I haven't looked back 

  

  

  

  

 
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October 19, 2005, 5:01 am PDT

10/06 "Stand Up for Yourself!"

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First of all, don't blame it on the Bipolar Disorder. I have it and I don't slap people around. In fact, I know a number of people who have it as well and most of them are not abusive.  

  

Second of all, you say you want to wait until your boys are older. They're 14 and 16, they're not toddlers! You're truly not doing your boy any favoirs by staying with their dad. I also know this from experience.  

  

My dad was very abusive toward my mother to the point of chasing her around with guns, threatening to kill her. Eventually, those threats were turned on us kids as well. It was no fun way to live.  

  

Do yourself and your boys a real favor and get out now.  

  

I dont blame the Bipolar, when he was first diagnosed I researched it, and met with people who have it and their families, and as someone who has it you should know there are some who are have more severe degrees of the illness. I appreciate what you say, but you don't know all the facts, I just wanted to vent alittle, I have few friends, and my family doesn't need my problems. If it was that easy to leave, no-one would be in these relationships, did you know that more women are killed when they leave. I don't think he would kill me, but he would make my life hell, and I will not put my boy's in that position. only 4 more years. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 4:08 pm PDT

it will be ok.

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I've taken the steps to end this relationship, now I'm scared. All the doubts he has put in my head are running wild. He's leaving me everything, but now I have to pay for everything too. I've never done that. I'm self- employeed and my checks don't come on a regular time. Everyone says just stay busy and try not to think about, but how can I not. I sell real estate in Ca, but never had to really work at  it. Let me say was never really allowed to work at it. Now I don't know if I can keep a roof over my kids head and food on the table. Please help!
I too was in a abusive relationship about 20 years ago.  I did not have an education, a job, nothing but a 2 year old! There are programs out there that can help you.  Go to your local social services and find out what they are. Keep working hard at your job, and things will happen for you.  I would also suggest you get some kind of counceling to help you get over the doubts he put in your head.  It worked for me, and it may work for you. I am now happily married to a man that I have been with for 18 years, we have two children, and my life is so much better!  All of the hard ache (and there was plenty) was worth it! hang in there.
 
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October 20, 2005, 11:24 am PDT

It's Hard To Move On

I left my husband only a week ago after years of abuse.  I am 36, but I feel like I'm 18 right now, trying to figure out what to do with the rest of my life.  My husband tells me that it's my fault that he berated me.  I "triggered" him.  I made the mistake of answering him honestly when he asked me about my sexual history when I was younger.  I paid for it every day I was with him.  He is a fantastic guy to everyone else.  Why couldn't he manage to just be nice to me?  I love him with all my heart.  I know that he is like a drug to me.  Extreme highs and lows.  When he would talk to me like he did, I felt like one of those monkeys they trap in a table and beat their heads in with a small hammer so they can eat the brain.  I felt trapped and alone.  I feel very alone now, and I'm trying to move on, but the "drug" of my husband is weighing on me.  I am not unattractive, and I know that when I am ready, I will have no problem finding someone else.  I wanted HIM, though.  I'm embarrassed and ashamed that I let myself go through that kind of treatment, but part of me still feels like it was my fault, that I just can't handle a relationship like my husband says. 

 
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October 20, 2005, 11:11 pm PDT

You will make it.......

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I left my husband only a week ago after years of abuse.  I am 36, but I feel like I'm 18 right now, trying to figure out what to do with the rest of my life.  My husband tells me that it's my fault that he berated me.  I "triggered" him.  I made the mistake of answering him honestly when he asked me about my sexual history when I was younger.  I paid for it every day I was with him.  He is a fantastic guy to everyone else.  Why couldn't he manage to just be nice to me?  I love him with all my heart.  I know that he is like a drug to me.  Extreme highs and lows.  When he would talk to me like he did, I felt like one of those monkeys they trap in a table and beat their heads in with a small hammer so they can eat the brain.  I felt trapped and alone.  I feel very alone now, and I'm trying to move on, but the "drug" of my husband is weighing on me.  I am not unattractive, and I know that when I am ready, I will have no problem finding someone else.  I wanted HIM, though.  I'm embarrassed and ashamed that I let myself go through that kind of treatment, but part of me still feels like it was my fault, that I just can't handle a relationship like my husband says. 

Keep moving forward and don't look back! you will be able to get through this. You shouldn't have to 'handle that kind of relationship'. Everyone has a past and that's all it is - a past-! 

  

Re-read your post, do you really wish to live a life like this? Maybe he could try to get some counceling,  but my honest opinion is that he will not change.  Why would he give up a weapon that obviously works for him, it has for years right?  Take control of your own life, life is too short to be wasted with ignorant and abusive people.  Get into a support group yourself, I am sure that it would do wonders andthat you will be able to build up your confidence, you will see that your future life does not have to carry any burdens from the past. Learn to be happy again and to find your inner peace.   

  

Don't focus on finding anyone else for the moment,  decide what you want to do with the situation at hand. 

  

Lots of luck! 

 
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October 20, 2005, 11:19 pm PDT

10/06 "Stand Up for Yourself!"

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I've taken the steps to end this relationship, now I'm scared. All the doubts he has put in my head are running wild. He's leaving me everything, but now I have to pay for everything too. I've never done that. I'm self- employeed and my checks don't come on a regular time. Everyone says just stay busy and try not to think about, but how can I not. I sell real estate in Ca, but never had to really work at  it. Let me say was never really allowed to work at it. Now I don't know if I can keep a roof over my kids head and food on the table. Please help!

Hmm... leaving you everything? make sure that this is not a trap. 

  

I was left everything too, and told that I would never be able to take care of anything. 

  

I proved him wrong........and thats when the real problems started. 

  

Be calm and make sure that everything is legally outlined,  what belongs to who. 

  

You can do it !! 

  

Good luck! 

 
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October 23, 2005, 5:52 pm PDT

Can an abuser ever change?

I have lived in an abusive relationship for about 15 years,  we have 2 children together, for the most of the abuse which is mostly verbal and physical, i used to think that it was my fault because he is an alcoholic and he would come home drunk and i would get so mad at him that i would start fights with him, well after doing this and him choking me and punching me in the stomach and arms and back i decided to not say anything to him when he was drinking but even then the abuse still happens he tells me daily that iam a b----,wh---,dumb and stupid an idiot and a moron. He tells me that iam worthless, if i let the kids do anything and he doesn't like it he will take my car keys away from me and tell me i can't bring them anywhere he even expects me to ask his permission to leave the house, if i can go to my mother's house. and he watches every cent i spend which is not much.  If the kids want to spend a night at their friends house i have to ask him his permission, they can't watch movies that he doesn't like, if i make something he doesn't like for dinner he will throw it across the room, and i could go on and on about it, he never lets me go out with friends eventhough he goes to the bar everyday, he says he makes the money so therefore it is his and i have to ask before i spend anything, he will not let me haul the garbage because he doesn't like my driving he has to come with me and then he sits in the truck while i unload it, he never does anything with the kids i let our daughter age 10 go to a dance the other night for kids her age and he came home drunk and kicked in the computer and tore down my halloween decorations and kicked a hole in the door to our bedroom because he said i didn't ask his permission for her to go, i told him you weren't here and iam her parent and i don't always have to ask his permission because iam an adult , he told me to pack my stuff and leave so i was gonna leave and he tore the telephone cord out of the wall and took me in the bedroom and threw me on the bed and said you are not going anywhere he then locked me inside until he calmed down and made me agree it had to be his way,  i told him i don't feel like he loves me and he says he does but if i would only do as he says he wouldn't get so mad at me. He told me i have to listen to him, His control has gotten worse and his drinking is getting worse and iam worried what might happen if i tried to leave, does the abuse ever end? can an abuser ever just change or will it keep getting worse for me if i stay?
 
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October 23, 2005, 8:30 pm PDT

10/06 "Stand Up for Yourself!"

Quote From: piers_

I posted before asking women in this thread to please be careful about what they post online; as abusive husbands often monitor their wives' computer usage. 

  

In surfing around I found some info on this topic from the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence: 

  

Internet Safety

WARNING  

Taking all of the actions on this page may not prevent an abuser from discovering your email and Internet activity. The safest way to find information on the Internet is to go to a safer computer. Some suggestions would be your local library, a friend's house or your workplace. Other safety suggestions: Change your password often, do not pick obvious words or numbers for your password, and make sure to include a combination of letters and numbers for your password.  

HOW AN ABUSER CAN TRACK YOUR ACTIVITIES

Email  

If an abuser has access to your email account, he or she may be able to read your incoming and outgoing mail. Even if you believe your account is secure, make sure you choose a password he or she will not be able to guess.  

If an abuser sends you threatening or harassing email messages, you can print and save them as evidence of this abuse. These messages may also constitute a federal offense. For more information on this issue, contact your local United States Attorney's Office.  

ERASING YOUR TRACKS

History/cache file  

If an abuser knows how to read your computer's history of cache file (automatically saved web pages and graphics), he or she may be able to see information you have viewed on the Internet.  

You can clear your history or empty your cache file in your brower's settings*  

Netscape:  

Pull down Edit menu, select Preferences. Click on Navigator or choose "Clear History". Click on Advanced then select Cache. Click on "Clear Disk Cache".  

Internet Explorer:  

Pull down Tools menu, select Internet Options. On General page under Temporary Internet Files, Click on Delete Files. If asked, check the box to delete all offline content. Still within the Temporary Internet Files section, click on Setting (This step may make it harder to navigate pages where you would like your information to be remembered, but these remaining cookies do show website pages you have visited. Therefore, use your own judgment as to whether or not to take this next step). Click on "View Files", Manually highlight all the files (cookies) shown, then hit Delete. Close that window, then on General page under History section, click on "Clear History."  

AOL:  

Pull down Members menu, select Preferences. Click on WWW icon. Then select Advanced. Purge Cache.  

Additionally, you need to make sure that the "Use Inline Autocomplete" box is NOT checked. This function will complete partial web addresses while typing location in the address bar at the top of the browser.  

If you are using Internet Explorer, this box can be found on the MS Internet Explorer Page by clicking on "Tools" at the top of the screen, then "Internet Options" and then the "Advanced" tab. About halfway down there is a "Use Inline Autocomplete" box that can be checked or unchecked by clicking on it. Uncheck the box to disable the feature that automatically completes an Internet address when you start typing in the Internet address box.  

*This information may not completely hide your tracks. Many browser types have features that display recently visited sites. The safest way to find information on the Internet would be at a local library, a friend's house, or at work.  

For help call the National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) TTY 1-800-787-3224

  

I hope I haven't broken any rules about posting this information from the NCADV's website.  I worry that some women will find out as I did the hard way years ago when my now ex found out I was researching custody and divorce laws in my state on our home computer. 

  

I ended up getting out of the marriage by working nights as a cashier (no college education, hs diploma only) and I managed to do it even though I had bad health and a two year old.  I got a status quo order from the court where my husband had to pay all the household bills since he refused to move out and I had nowhere to go with my baby (My family thought I was making a mistake at the time, they now know different) 


I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying you have to get creative, explore all the options, and keep the goal of freedom in front of you.  Not just for you, but for your children.  Start today, and be careful! 

Thanks for sharing this with everyone, I found out the hard way my husband was monitoring my every move.  It sucks too because he is a computer wiz, had keyloggers I couldnt even find (and I consider myself pretty computer savvy) and even when you delete the history it is still there, I mean I would delete the history from 2 places plus recycle bin and still he could see it all somehow, plus access to all my accounts, but even if you can delete everything that can spark their interest too because then they want to know what youre hiding then.  Most men probably arent as freakin computer smart as mine is, which I guess is a wayward compliment to him lol, but for those that are its easier just to stay on very safe grounds because I have found it is impossible to hide, delete, or cover up anything on my phones or computer from him (vonage is great but they detail all the calls)  Unfortunatly for me, I have always related better to guys then females much to my jealous husbands dislike, so he "banned" me from all male friends, and it sucks I feel so lonely sometimes, I cant even chat or email old friends now without getting caught, just because of his insecurity.  Of course he gets upset when I talk about stuff with girlfriends, pretty much anythign interesting in my life offends him I am telling our business.  Oh well.
 
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October 24, 2005, 8:13 pm PDT

My Controlling Sister-in-Law

I spent the day looking at apartments today and think I have found 10 reasonable woo hoo hey to choose from.  BUT LISTEN TO THIS.  My car is 10 years old.  It is paid off.  It is clean.  I do maintenance on it.  I like it.  My brake lights have been going off so I stopped and got them fixed today for a reasonable price.  My husband fought me tooth and nail NOT to get them fixed.  Nice huh?  Anyway I find this email today in his email FROM HIS CONTROLLING SISTER who I haven't talked to for years at her choice... I have tried to make small talk with her, who lives 500 miles from my house, who calls my house everyday and won't say even hi....  GET THIS......  She and her husband are shopping for a car for me... to put on my CHARGE CREDIT without consulting me or asking me one word about what I feel.  Test driving and sending us papers and planning to drive it up here.  My goal is to NOT BUY A NEW CAR until my credit cards are down.  NOW MY CONTROLLING SISTER in LAW who is wealthy and pay cash for very expensive stuff... HER GOAL IS TO PICK OUT A CAR FOR ME AND PUT IT ON MY CREDIT WITHOUT ASKING ME.  See this is what I mean that I am not involved in my own decisions and I only find out about it accidentally.....  And it is about all kinds of stuff.  It is so frustrating.  And I can't even call her to try to talk to her about it because she would hang up on me if I asked for my AMERICAN FREEDOM to make my own decisions.... YOU CAN PICK YOUR HOUSE YOUR KITCHEN AND YOUR CAR and I pick mine?  SIMPLE?  right   **sigh**  It would never never never in a million years fly if I did that to her......  I mean my husband has a company car and doesn't drive my car at all ZERO!  Why should his sister pick out my car that I am going to make the payments?.... When it comes to any decision It's like she's his wife.....   

 
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October 24, 2005, 8:45 pm PDT

10/06 "Stand Up for Yourself!"

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I have lived in an abusive relationship for about 15 years,  we have 2 children together, for the most of the abuse which is mostly verbal and physical, i used to think that it was my fault because he is an alcoholic and he would come home drunk and i would get so mad at him that i would start fights with him, well after doing this and him choking me and punching me in the stomach and arms and back i decided to not say anything to him when he was drinking but even then the abuse still happens he tells me daily that iam a b----,wh---,dumb and stupid an idiot and a moron. He tells me that iam worthless, if i let the kids do anything and he doesn't like it he will take my car keys away from me and tell me i can't bring them anywhere he even expects me to ask his permission to leave the house, if i can go to my mother's house. and he watches every cent i spend which is not much.  If the kids want to spend a night at their friends house i have to ask him his permission, they can't watch movies that he doesn't like, if i make something he doesn't like for dinner he will throw it across the room, and i could go on and on about it, he never lets me go out with friends eventhough he goes to the bar everyday, he says he makes the money so therefore it is his and i have to ask before i spend anything, he will not let me haul the garbage because he doesn't like my driving he has to come with me and then he sits in the truck while i unload it, he never does anything with the kids i let our daughter age 10 go to a dance the other night for kids her age and he came home drunk and kicked in the computer and tore down my halloween decorations and kicked a hole in the door to our bedroom because he said i didn't ask his permission for her to go, i told him you weren't here and iam her parent and i don't always have to ask his permission because iam an adult , he told me to pack my stuff and leave so i was gonna leave and he tore the telephone cord out of the wall and took me in the bedroom and threw me on the bed and said you are not going anywhere he then locked me inside until he calmed down and made me agree it had to be his way,  i told him i don't feel like he loves me and he says he does but if i would only do as he says he wouldn't get so mad at me. He told me i have to listen to him, His control has gotten worse and his drinking is getting worse and iam worried what might happen if i tried to leave, does the abuse ever end? can an abuser ever just change or will it keep getting worse for me if i stay?
Are you still there?  Honey I've been in this situation.  Do you have somewhere to go?  Anyone to help you?  I packed my stuff in my friends car and hauled butt while he was at the bar one night.  15 years is a long time to put up with that kind of abuse.  Have you thought about how your children must be feeling?  I started feeling sick when I read your message.  I married at 18.  He became abousive about a year later, right after I had my daughter.  He told me I was worthless, cheated on me with a crack whore, beat me, choked me and threatened to kill me. He also would take my car keys from me cause he was scared I'd leave while he was gone.   I left him when my daughter was 9 months old.  I was scared but the only thing I could think about is, What if he turns his anger toward my innocent baby.  He still is an alcoholic and abusive, but hes paying for it.  Hes in jail for DWIs and will be there a while.  Well think about your future.  Wish you the best of luck.
 
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