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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 6, 2005, 3:46 pm PDT

breastfeeding in public

 I have a five month old daughter that is exclusively breastfed.  I do breastfeed in public, and at first I covered up with a blanket.  When it started getting too hot to cover her up, I just did it discretely... I understand that there are mothers of older children who may not want their children seeing it.  However I was shocked to learn that Tennessee, where I learn, does not have a law stating that breastfeeding in public is NOT considered public indecency.  I have never found it indecent to see a mother breastfeeding, even long before I had a baby myself.  

I have heard people suggest feeding my daughter in a bathroom stall because they thought it was indecent.  I thought this was absolutely ridiculous.  I don't eat in a bathroom stall... why would I feed my daughter there??  I think America should be much more accepting of this issue.
 
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October 6, 2005, 3:49 pm PDT

condoms in schools - BAD idea

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Don't you think giving the attacker the condom would be giving him permission to carry through this sick thing. and as some one else mentioned, it could backfire on her and he can convince the courts that she agreed to it and remind them that it was HER that handed him the condom. NOT a good idea. I would rather my girls fight back and leave scratch marks, scream and yell and draw attention and whatever else they can do to get way from this guy and to leave evidence of the attack, not to give in and say, "o by the way, here is a condom to help protect YOU". just another way to protect the criminal I think and to punish the victim.

I agree with you there.  sadly a large percentage (60-70 %) of young teenage girls 14 and under report that they had their first sexual experience AGAINST THEIR WILL.  basically, they're being raped. it may be date rape, maybe they give in, but it's still rape.  SO let's give them condoms so that when they get raped, they (maybe) won't get a disease or get pregnant.  great logic there! 

and we say we're liberated.  ladies, we are not as much as we'd like to believe.  we're inadvertantly handing our children over to become someone else's sex object.  and not just our girls, but our boys too.   

we as parents need to stand up to the "establishment" who says this is a "good idea" and let our voices be heard.   

Abstinence teaching and parental involvement - the best form of pregnancy and STD prevention.  it does work. 

  

 
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October 6, 2005, 3:50 pm PDT

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 I have a five month old daughter that is exclusively breastfed.  I do breastfeed in public, and at first I covered up with a blanket.  When it started getting too hot to cover her up, I just did it discretely... I understand that there are mothers of older children who may not want their children seeing it.  However I was shocked to learn that Tennessee, where I learn, does not have a law stating that breastfeeding in public is NOT considered public indecency.  I have never found it indecent to see a mother breastfeeding, even long before I had a baby myself.  

I have heard people suggest feeding my daughter in a bathroom stall because they thought it was indecent.  I thought this was absolutely ridiculous.  I don't eat in a bathroom stall... why would I feed my daughter there??  I think America should be much more accepting of this issue.
when I think of a mother breastfeeding in a public bathroom stall, it makes me want to barf!  YUK!! 
 
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October 6, 2005, 3:53 pm PDT

Do you eat in public?

Of course you do. Eating is a natural thing. Just like when a kitten nurses off her mother in the middle of the living room when company is over or a mother orangutans nurse their babies in the zoo. People fail to remember we are animals. Nursing is normal, and doing so in public is normal. I would never force your child to eat his baby food or formula ( Seeing how breastmilk is surperior to both of these things) to eat it in a bathroom, where people urinate and deficate.  I should not be shamed into a bathroom because my child needs to eat. Amazing how over sexed this country is. Breast are for babies not men (or women, whatever floats your boat).  Breast were made to nurish a growing child.
 
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October 6, 2005, 4:09 pm PDT

Would you not eat in public?

It is amazing that people even have an issue about this topic.  Would you not eat in public for fear of embarrassment? Most people wouldn't even give this a thought and rightfully so.  I am a first time mother who breastfed my son for 15 months successfully and very proud to say so.  It was a struggle enough for a first time mom trying to figure out how to get it right without worrying about what people think about you, but you do, whenever you get a strange glance from a passerby or a comment from someone you have never met.  Honestly I think it's ridiculous that God makes women unique to be able to breastfeed and I don't think anyone that has not  breastfed a child would understand anyway......the bond it indescribable!  

 
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October 6, 2005, 4:22 pm PDT

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it makes me real uncomfortable to see someone breastfeeding in public.at a grocery store. i bent down to pick up a can of apple sauce looked up to a breast staring at me... they say, its a beautiful, natural thing so it shouldnt be a big deal, then why dont you give birth in public..we can set up a  tent in the parking lot, and play guess my gender.
Anyone who is uncomfortable with breastfeeding should not watch women breastfeed.  I nurse where ever I am regardless of whos around and I have never put my breast in anyone elses face.  You saying you are uncomfortable with breastfeeding is like me saying I am uncomfortable with someone bottle feeding in public.  It is a choice for each women to make (hopefully an educated choice).
 
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October 6, 2005, 4:32 pm PDT

information not approval

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As a formal teen of the generation, i am surprised that so many people have said NO to schools giving out condoms and them giving the wrong message. I think it's a good idea. i un-like most teens watch Dr. Phil almost daily. i have a health class in school right now, and yeah sure they did hand out condoms ONE time but that doesn't mean that everyone takes one. i didn't because i believe that pre-marital sex is wrong. sex should happen after marriage. the school is not telling you to have sex, their telling you that if you are going to have sex that you need to know what the consequences can be and that you need protection not only so the female won't get pregnant but also so that you won't get an STD. so i have to say that their NOT giving the wrong message and that they should give them out, because not every parent informs their kids on STD's and protection. they always tell us that the only 100% effective way not to get pregnant, or get an STD is to not have sex, and i have to say i'm disappointed that people think that all teens will take the condoms and have sex because that's NOT me. pre-marital sex is wrong, but educating kids on the subject is right. 

As a kid just done with my teen years, I've heard what my friends were told and knowing what my parents didn't tell me about sex, it is apparent to me that not all parents can be trusted to teach their childern unbiased information about sex and choices - if it was up to my parents i would be single until i was 30. School is a place where kids go to learn and not all  of life is poetry and science - this is about a kids health. Parents will not be able to talk about all things relating to sex and frankly I think it's harder for kids to talk to their parents about the subject. Schools don't tell you what choice you should make about sex they are just giving the statistics and information and the tools you need to make a right choice for you not encouraging it - just because you give a kid a broom does not mean they'll clean.
 
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October 6, 2005, 4:36 pm PDT

So will you never leave the house with your child?

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I am sort of sitting on the fence for this one.  

On one hand it is a very natural thing; a way to for a mother and child to develope a bond that will last a lifetime (or is it life time?). But I must admit that a few weeks ago, I saw a woman breastfeeding at the public swimming pool, and it bothered me. Is that hygenic? I didnt enjoy seeing her just take out her breast and begin her babie's feeding.  

When my baby is born I will breastfeed, but I will not do it in public. I do not want people staring at me. It is not any of thier business, but I respect women who can do it, and not be bothered by the amount of people examining her, and probably judging her. 

Just curious-so if you plan to breastfeed, but not in public, will you just never leave the house, and have someone else do all your shopping, errands, and whatnot for you?   And you'll be okay with never getting out to the park or anywhere else outside the house? Is it really so much easier to spend a bunch of time on the breast pump or buying and mixing formula because some complete stranger might disapprove of you feeding your child? That's all it is-you're feeding your child!  There's absolutely nothing sexual or offensive about that.

It doesn't matter if you just nursed your child right before leaving the house-growing babies and toddlers go through growth spurts and lulls, and sometimes they WILL need to eat while you're out and about, even if  I take it that you probably do not have any children yet because I think I had some of the same misconceptions in my head before having my first-that my baby would eat, sleep, and poop on a perfect schedule, and that I should really care about getting permission from others to feed my baby.  Well, as I quickly learned, babies make their own schedules, and that schedule may be completely different from one day to the next.  I promise that there WILL be times when your child needs to eat when you are out and about with them, despite best laid plans to perfectly time breastfeeding sessions to avoid nursing in public. And when that time comes when a new mother's baby get hungry in public the first time, who should decide what is best for the baby's health?  Please, please don't make a decision out of fear and allow a stranger who has a distorted view of public nursing as sexual or inappropriate to make that choice for you. 
 
If a pregnant woman plans on breastfeeding, and she wants to be successful, she will need to nurse on demand which in turn keeps supply up.  Obviously, some women pump because they have to for work or because they want to to let their husband/partner parcipate in feedings and/or to get out of the house--I've fallen into that latter category.  But that's completely different from pumping and bottle feeding any time you're going to go out, or skipping that altogether and offering formula out of fear of judgement from strangers who don't matter anyway.  This will decrease milk supply since it's based entirely on supply and demand-the less you nurse, the less milk your body will be signaled to make.

 Yes-nursing in public (and nursing in general)  can be challenging at first--and guess what?  Just "covering up" and "being discrete to make others feel more comfortable" doesn't always work with a newborn who is as new to breastfeeding as you are.  In the beginning, when the mother and baby are still learning, it can make it MUCH harder to latch on when you're dealing with a nursing coverup garment between you and your baby for the convenience of strangers who might see a bit of skin while you're working at getting the latch right.  But it gets easier the more you do it, and if you do as I did and actually WATCH yourself nurse in a mirror, you'll see that once the baby is latched on, there's absolutely nothing to see!  I breastfed my two younger children on the job (as a teacher in a child care center), and I can't tell you how often parents would come in to pick up their children and would not even realize that I was nursing!  They'd think I was just cradling my sleeping child or something.  The few times anyone ever noticed, the reaction was always "cool-you're still breastfeeding?  That's great!"  I know there are people out there who have had bad experiences with public nursing but honestly, I've never had a bad reaction in public!   I usually just smile at people and they smile back.  If I ever did get a nasty comment, I would likely ask the person if they'd like the idea of eating their meals hunched over in a public restroom!
 
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October 6, 2005, 4:37 pm PDT

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Quote From: missjane2

Your Question: "Why would you take away the HEALTHIEST, MOST LOVING, PERFECT nourishment your child could have?!"  Well, 2 of my kids had milk allergies so that put them both on special formulas.  Honestly..... if I had another kid..... I don't think I would breastfeed for alot of reasons.  Like I said if another mom wants to do it that is fine with me.  To me it just doesn't fit into today's lifestyle.  You can spend quality time with your baby and so can others without having to breastfeed.  It is one of those personal decisions that perhaps bring benefits, but so do a whole lot of other choices.
My baby has a milk allergy, and while it restricts my diet I know he benefits from nursing. He had formula a coupl  times in the hospital at birth and all it did was make him fussy and miserable. He is my third child and I nursed all three of my children, for 12 months, 19 months and this time for as long as he wants. I let my other two children lead their weaning and there was no emotional trauma to it at all. As for nursing in public, I feed my baby when and where he is hungry as you would any child. Making them wait to eat gives them bad eating habits and makes them miserable. It is a perfectly natural thing to feed a child no matter how you do it so why do people discriminate against nursed babies as opposed to bottle fed?  Mothers know what works best for their child and them so others should back off and let them do what is best for their child and themselves.
 
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October 6, 2005, 5:22 pm PDT

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Anyone who is uncomfortable with breastfeeding should not watch women breastfeed.  I nurse where ever I am regardless of whos around and I have never put my breast in anyone elses face.  You saying you are uncomfortable with breastfeeding is like me saying I am uncomfortable with someone bottle feeding in public.  It is a choice for each women to make (hopefully an educated choice).

first, i dont watch women breastfeed, its kinda shoved in to where i happen to be looking. you nurse wherever you want. 2nd, bottle feeding is different, it doesnt involve a breast...in case you didnt know. obviously, this isnt about feeding your child specifically, but the fact, that your taking out something that otherpeople more than likey dont want to see..including myself, whether or not its to feed your baby. b/c trust me...some guys are not staring b/c your baby's so darn cute. would you flash yourself?... sure you can say...its a different context, but flashing a breast is flashing a breast, i dont care what your doing. like i said before. i personally dont think its appropriate, but im not going to go up to a woman and tell her to stop. she has her rights. its my opinion. 

 
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