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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 6, 2005, 5:28 pm PDT

I don't understand...

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first, i dont watch women breastfeed, its kinda shoved in to where i happen to be looking. you nurse wherever you want. 2nd, bottle feeding is different, it doesnt involve a breast...in case you didnt know. obviously, this isnt about feeding your child specifically, but the fact, that your taking out something that otherpeople more than likey dont want to see..including myself, whether or not its to feed your baby. b/c trust me...some guys are not staring b/c your baby's so darn cute. would you flash yourself?... sure you can say...its a different context, but flashing a breast is flashing a breast, i dont care what your doing. like i said before. i personally dont think its appropriate, but im not going to go up to a woman and tell her to stop. she has her rights. its my opinion. 

How much of a womens breast do you think you actually see when she is breastfeeding? I myself breastfed and I never popped out my whole boob in front of anyone. And when I did remove my nipple from my clothing it wasn't until my baby was right at my breast so no one saw anything.  

The only thing anyone would ever see while I was breastfeeding was the back of my baby's head. 

  

  

 
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October 6, 2005, 5:30 pm PDT

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first, i dont watch women breastfeed, its kinda shoved in to where i happen to be looking. you nurse wherever you want. 2nd, bottle feeding is different, it doesnt involve a breast...in case you didnt know. obviously, this isnt about feeding your child specifically, but the fact, that your taking out something that otherpeople more than likey dont want to see..including myself, whether or not its to feed your baby. b/c trust me...some guys are not staring b/c your baby's so darn cute. would you flash yourself?... sure you can say...its a different context, but flashing a breast is flashing a breast, i dont care what your doing. like i said before. i personally dont think its appropriate, but im not going to go up to a woman and tell her to stop. she has her rights. its my opinion. 

Post this picture of me.. I am breastfeeding... where is my boob... I don't see it and neither do you.. so what is the problem?? 

 

 
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October 6, 2005, 5:35 pm PDT

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first, i dont watch women breastfeed, its kinda shoved in to where i happen to be looking. you nurse wherever you want. 2nd, bottle feeding is different, it doesnt involve a breast...in case you didnt know. obviously, this isnt about feeding your child specifically, but the fact, that your taking out something that otherpeople more than likey dont want to see..including myself, whether or not its to feed your baby. b/c trust me...some guys are not staring b/c your baby's so darn cute. would you flash yourself?... sure you can say...its a different context, but flashing a breast is flashing a breast, i dont care what your doing. like i said before. i personally dont think its appropriate, but im not going to go up to a woman and tell her to stop. she has her rights. its my opinion. 

I think I can probably speak for all of the breastfeeding mommies when I say this:  When we nurse in public no man can see enough of our boobs to get excited unless they are just sick, then thats their problem not mine.  Its not like we hang our boobs out for all to see. When I nurse in public you cannot even tell I am nursing, it looks like my baby is sleeping against my chest. And if he starts wiggling around or playing, there is still less of my breast to be seen than with some of these clothes some girls are wearing now that let everything hang out.  What I don't understand is why its acceptable for breasts to be half exposed when its in a sexual way(with skimpy clothing), but its not ok for breasts to exposed a little in order to feed a hungry, fussy child?  Its a shame our society has gotten to this... 

  

happily nursing baby #2 in TX 

 
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October 6, 2005, 5:48 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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I think I can probably speak for all of the breastfeeding mommies when I say this:  When we nurse in public no man can see enough of our boobs to get excited unless they are just sick, then thats their problem not mine.  Its not like we hang our boobs out for all to see. When I nurse in public you cannot even tell I am nursing, it looks like my baby is sleeping against my chest. And if he starts wiggling around or playing, there is still less of my breast to be seen than with some of these clothes some girls are wearing now that let everything hang out.  What I don't understand is why its acceptable for breasts to be half exposed when its in a sexual way(with skimpy clothing), but its not ok for breasts to exposed a little in order to feed a hungry, fussy child?  Its a shame our society has gotten to this... 

  

happily nursing baby #2 in TX 

 Oh wow do I agree with this!!!!  Why is it OK for a 14 year old to walk out in public showing everything but her nipples with her skimpy clothing, but I can't feed my baby when I am out in public??  Give me a break!!    And for whoever said that they will be BFing but not  in public... how do you think that is going to work??  My daughter WON'T take a bottle, would you like for me to just let her scream all the way through wal-mart just so you don't have to see me breastfeed... Sorry you are out of luck on that one... I feed my daughter when she is hungry!
 
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October 6, 2005, 6:36 pm PDT

Discretion is best

My experience is a little different from some of the other posts here.  I breastfed my son until he was 6 months, but if we were out in public (i.e. the mall, a restaurant, a friend's home), I used discretion.  Any mall has dozens of dressing rooms that are handicap-accessible and fit a stroller.  There is a bench that makes feeding comfortable and is in a quiet setting....not a loud food court in plain sight of others who may be uneasy with public BFing.   Both my baby and I were content in this situation.  If we were going out to eat, we timed it where he was fed before leaving home or in the car before we entered.  It is what we did out of social-sensitivity as Dr. Phil suggested. 

 

Now 4 years later I have a unique situation.  My daughter is now 1 year old and has cerebral palsy and other special needs.  She cannot nurse or bottle-feed.  She has a gastronomy tube (g-tube) which means she is fed liquids through a tube directly into her stomach.  It is more complicated than traditional feeding and takes more effort, especially in public.  I still remove myself and my daughter from a public area (when possible) in order to feed her.  I have fed her in the open when necessary (on a plane, for example) but still with discretion.  This is not because I am ashamed;  it's just a private matter for us.  I am happy to explain the procedure to anyone who sees us (flight attendants for one have been WONDERFUL), but I prefer not to shield her from people who just gawk and wonder "what's wrong with that baby??" ~  

My point is that public feeding, whether it is from the breast or other means, is an issue that can be handled peacefully, without people getting upset or defensive.   

 
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October 6, 2005, 6:59 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in public!!??

Yes, We have mammory glands, and we have milk for babies to drink from our breasts. We also are more advanced than your regular warm blooded hairy animal. Discretion is the key, usually noone cares that you're feeding your baby, meaning noone has a problem with that part. The problem arises when some women get  100% all natural , animalistic, hippie, bohemian on you and  start flinging breasts out of blouses with exposed nipples in everyones view. No, you shouldn't feel ashamed or be shunned. There are ways to do things in this day and age, there are nursing clothes, and endless resources for nursing mothers. You have to take into account others peoples feelings when you are in public. As mothers this is just like teaching our children that our needs, and feelings are superior and come before other peoples needs, and feelings. Yes it's natural and necessary but so is passing gas, would you like people openly passing gas around you while your eating, shopping, and everything else in public, or would you prefer them to be discrete about it?
 
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October 6, 2005, 7:01 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

   I am all for breastfeeding, it is a natural part of life, indeed. However, It should be done discreetly when in public. In your own home, feel free to expose whomever, but outside, you have to and should think of others. Not everyone wants to see you!!!  It shouldn't be a problem to cover  or find a more private place.  

   I totally disagree with the lady on your show who wants schools to hand out condoms to young children!!! Her suggesting condoms in vending machines, what is she thinking?? Just because she made some mistakes when she was younger, it  doesn't mean everyone else will do the same as she did. Sexual education should be a MUST talk at home by both parents and school . Handing out condoms is a definite permission to say its okay to have sex. Confidential school counselors or programs should be available to those who need to ask questions or get advice if they can't turn to the parents. Our society today is very wrong in promoting sex  through tv shows, commercials, movies, and even cartoons have girls with low cut clothing and act inappropritately for the age. What is our world comiong to? We should put a stop to this!!!!!  The more we are accepting, the worse it will get!!! 

 
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October 6, 2005, 7:08 pm PDT

Breastfeeding

Breastfeeding is one of the most natural things in the world.  Americans are so uptight about it though and seem ashamed to have "those" used for "that."  Narrow minded people.  If people don't like what they see then they just shouldn't be looking.  The way some people look bother me but I can't make them leave or expect them to cover up because they are not flattering to me.  The woman on the show kept saying, "not everyone finds it flattering."  Well, news flash, it is not for flattery - it is for feeding the young and natural.  I have lived overseas where they don't cover up at all and walk around with clothes off - we are much different in the USA.  God help those people that might have to see a breast or two in their lifetime...!  I say get over it and get your mind out of the gutter - breasts weren't made for boys toys and this is what these people seem to see them for.  The ones complaining have a problem with self image I do believe.
 
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October 6, 2005, 7:11 pm PDT

Great comment

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 Oh wow do I agree with this!!!!  Why is it OK for a 14 year old to walk out in public showing everything but her nipples with her skimpy clothing, but I can't feed my baby when I am out in public??  Give me a break!!    And for whoever said that they will be BFing but not  in public... how do you think that is going to work??  My daughter WON'T take a bottle, would you like for me to just let her scream all the way through wal-mart just so you don't have to see me breastfeed... Sorry you are out of luck on that one... I feed my daughter when she is hungry!
You hit it right on the head.  Skimpy clothes for sexual attention...that is fine for our young boys and old men.....but heaven forbid, let a mother feed her baby.  Shame on America for the way they think and act.
 
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October 6, 2005, 7:16 pm PDT

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In Japan, every single public place I have been to that has a restroom also has a separate room entirely for nursing - this ranges from small airports to shopping malls to the 100 Yen Store (the Dollar Store). In general I think women here are much more shy & conservative and having the nursing/diapering rooms I think is a direct reflection of that. So I say, if the public is really that uncomfortable, public places should have nursing rooms just like they have handicapped entrances and handicapped accessible tables. I breastfed my first child, and I plan to with this child as well. I'll always take the private area first (anyone notice that most public toilets don't have a lid you can fold down to sit on anyway?!) - be it a dressing room or the corner of a table. We have "smoking areas" and that is dangerous to my health, and I can smell it all the way across the room. My policy is if I walk in and it smells, I just don't go there. For those who are offended, ask for another table or go somewhere else.  

  

In Sweden in my junior class the question wasn't who has had sex, it's who HASN'T had sex (two of 28). And there wasn't even a question as to whether condoms were used or not, it was automatically expected. To the extent of my knowledge they did not pass out condoms by the time kids entered high school - they passed them out in junior high. By high school it's expected that you can go out and get your own. My host mother once told me if I wanted to invite a guy-friend overnight I could (I was 16), and I nearly had a heart attack. But I know if I wanted to have sex I could have gone to her to talk about it, ask about protection, or anything. My sister got pregnant at 14 back in the States - she was too scared to ask my mother about condoms or sex because she was afraid she'd get in trouble. How many babies end up aborted or dumped because the child is too scared of the parents?? It's gonna happen, it's not like you can honestly believe that having condoms available is going to give a teenager a "new" idea - YEAH RIGHT, in our dreams. I personally would rather my child come to me for a condom or birth control than have my child come to me four or five months pregnant and ask me what to do about it now.  

  

There's a major gap between parents and kids right now, with a lot of parents in denial or putting their head in the sand and hoping for the best - totally forgetting how they and their friends were at their children's age. Too many kids looking for some human contact, some understanding, in the wrong places. Too many kids totally unaware of the likelyhood of contracting an STD, or having the relationship end whether they put out or not. Too many kids thinking their self-worth equals how many people like them. Wouldn't it be nice if we as parents could push our fears to the side and meet our child where their needs and concerns actually are, as opposed to where we THINK they should be? 

  

I thought it was a little ironic how in the first and last issues, the people who were against breastfeeding in public and had a problem with parents not properly taking care of their children were people who didn't have children! Everyone's got opinions, but it's like my husband telling me how to deal with my period or mood swings during pregnancy. You simply don't have much credit among parents in these topics unless you've "been there"! 

  

PS...MILITARY WIVES LOVE DR. PHIL!!! 

  

  

 
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