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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 6:29 pm PDT

Are You Kidding Me!!!!

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I’m single and do not have children, but I helped bring up my parents kids, although that might be why I didn’t run and jump to have my own however it does help to validate my views on this day.   

 

  

 

In regards to giving condoms out at school, I believe that kids should receive a well rounded education, heck, so many of them are being brought up by kids it’s important that the parents receive the same education.  It’s pretty basic: children are having children, because girls "fall in love."  I believe that these girls and boys need a reality check, but let's be real there is a feminization of poverty that starts with single parent moms.  The majority of people who are poor are children born to moms who at one time fell in love, and now can barely make a living to support a family because they didn’t receive a much-needed education. 

 

  

 

Now, in regards to breastfeeding:  I’m not all that thrilled about the breastfeeding in public bit.  I’d prefer people be a bit more discreet and get a breast pump.  Yes, it’s a beautiful scene when set at home with your family and I mean immediate family, let’s not break out the feeding utensils at the family reunion and have a singsong as a cousin of mine did. 

 

  

 

Lastly, I would like to address the poorly equipped parents with unruly children.  Some people know how to give children responsibilities and help the family along, and others do not.  I say people because as a daughter and as a Godmother I was able to take care of children and have them help me and this in turn kept them in check with the promise that we could play later.  But many parents haven’t figured out that their kids are little people and they’re smarter than they think.  Having said that, I’ll leave you with a few parent/child and me instances that have occurred and ya’ll can figure it any way you like.  

 

  

 

Once in a London in an outdoor airport cafe, I noticed parents engrossed in their conversation while the kids were making a bit of a mess, this is when I saved a kid from his hot chocolate, and the parents weren't even fazed.  I think I was a little more thrown off then them, since it was just a reaction and I couldn't believe I ran over to their table like that and grabbed him up when the hot chocolate spilled. 

 

  

 

Yet another time when there were a few children running rampant on a bus, I made a comment to the parents who tried got extremely upset and tried to eat the head off of me, but I shot back at them and the entire bus backed me up.  The kids were out of control, and the parents really should have had better control.  I suggested parenting classes. 

 

  

 

And yet another time I saw a woman who's daughter was in a stroller and dropped her bottled water, mom looked at it, and turned away.  I said that's nice.  She didn't appreciate it and told me so with expletives.  I advised her that this was lovely she was teaching her kid to litter and to curse.  This is when she knocked her stroller with the child in it at me.  Great, I said, violence, a third one. You’re insane lady, they'll take that kid from you and I walked away feeling extremely sorry for that poor child and wishing I could have done something more. 

 

  

 

I hope these experiences have helped in some way, but I would also like to add two more issue that has been driving me crazy.   

 

  

 

The loss of our libraries to computer games, cell phones, and people who believe they’re liberriens.  Honestly, when I was a kid, the librarian advised me that there were no liberries; there are strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, but no liberries.  Shouldn’t people know how to pronounce their occupation and where they work?  Especially when it’s a learning institution with children?  And what happened to the librarian requesting quiet?  Why do people think they are in a coffee shop?   

 

  

 

Secondly, littering, is it just me or does there seem to be an incredibly apathetic attitude towards picking up after oneself?  What is going on with this world?   

 

  

 

Well, thanks for the rant!  Love the show! 

 

  

 

Really, you don't have any kids and you are commenting the way yu are about this stuff!!?? I also helped raise siblings and now have 2 kids and it is totally different. One son of whom I am nursing and will nurse where I want to when he needs to. I do have a breast pump and do use it but only when I have to leave him with somebody and then he will hardly take a bottle. He will most certainly not take a bottle from me and nor should he have to. I am not all out there but I am sure you can see a half inch of skin or so when I am nursing but I am not about to put a blanket over my sons head. He absolutly hates it when I do. And he will only attract attention then instead of just nursing. If you were not so into others buisness then you would not notice as much as you do. If you don't like my nursing then don't look. You can leave an area just as easily as I can. And probably a little easier seeing as how you don't have any kids.
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:29 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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My sentiments exactly.  I nursed both of my children and it is an extremely wonderful experience!  I would never entertain the thought of exposing my breasts under any circumstances in public!  You can certainly breastfeed discreetly in public and get the same bonding and nurturing experience.

from my experiance of breatfeeding 3 children, once they get to about 4 months old the tend to through the blanket off. i just try to be as descrete as i can, but a blanket dosen't always work. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 6:29 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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I do not think that people feel the need to stare at nursing mothers. I do think that nursing mothers(having done it myself) could cover up with a little blanket while the baby is feeding, this is not a difficult task, if you take a baby bag out with you(as most mothers do) just put a little blanket in there to cover the baby with, no big deal. What has me really annoyed in reading these postings is the fact that you people eep saying that, for some reason, it would be too difficult to cover up the baby. Also everyone keeps saying that people are trying to get free peep shows, I mean GROW UP, really. If you have a child and act like a child, then where will your kids learn to be an adult from???????????
 So I take it your child didn't mind hiding underneath a blanket to eat?  Mine would not have stood for it at any age.  Not to mention the fact that where I live it gets to be 90-100+ degrees for 2-3 months straight.  Sorry, not going to subject my baby to heatstroke by putting a blanket over him.  How am I or others acting like a child by wanting to feed my child in the way nature intended?  Really now, aren't the childish ones the ones who insist that mom should cover from head to toe or run and hide in another room or stay at home?  Tolerance goes both ways.
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:30 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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why would you have an infant in 90+ degree weather?  an infant will not know difference if you shelter them with a blanket.  like i told someone else-  maybe they need to have a breastfeeding section in public places, just like we have smoking sections.  let the public choose!
 Well let's see, I had my son in Aug.  What else was I supposed to do with him?  Tell him to stay inside of me until the weather was cooler because some nut can't handle the thought of him eating his food without some blanket over his head in the hot weather?  Comparing smoking to breastfeeding.  Let's see, last time I checked second hand smoke killed people, second hand breastfeeding doesn't.  Unless there's something new out and I'm mistaken???  Oh wait, I know!!!  How about a section for people who can't leave their personal sexual hangups at home and understand that a mother is simply feeding her child.  Nothing more.
 

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October 7, 2005, 6:31 pm PDT

Yes to breastfeeding in public

I am the mother of a breastfeeding son and I think it is my right to breastfeed him in public. I do try to be discrete about it for my own modesty but I know people have gotten a peak at my breasts and I don't really care. For everyone that says that we should breastfeed in the bathroom, I disagree. Just because they have issues does not mean my baby should have to eat in a filthy place. They should have to eat their lunch in the bathroom. Shelly, the antibreastfeeding in public guest on the show, should try it sometime.  Babies have rights too and that includes the right to breastfeed in public.
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:32 pm PDT

Breast Feeding In Public

My thoughts are simply this:

I think that breast feeding mothers should pump their breast milk and make special bottles for their babies to have while in public. Or if they're willing make formula bottles atleast for the times when their out with the baby. That way the mother doesn't have to actually feed the child from the breast publicly and the child can still effectively and quickly eat.
 

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October 7, 2005, 6:32 pm PDT

Non-Breast Feeding Moms

I've been scrolling through some of these posts about breast feeding and I have seen many posts that disturb me.  Someone please answer this question for me - Why are mothers who decide not to breast feed their children being called selfish?   I hate to assume things, but are these comments coming from the same people who think working mothers are selfish too for not being with their children 24/7?
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:32 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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I've read, and reread your message. I'm not sure if your profile name has anything to do with what you've passed along to the "ignorant" half of society, but I would take a wild guess that you don't have human children, rather feline children.  Before I go on...even kittens nurse.  Either you were raised in a convent, or your in your 90's. I would like to add, if you are elderly, you are excused, and I meant no disprespect.  If you are not, you need to see much more of the world before you judge others on the likes of being a lady.  LADYLIKE....it makes me laugh!  What in your opinion is a lady?  What does ladylike have anything to do with feeding a baby?  In a restroom?  Where, and how were you fed? Yikes...the restroom.!  Do you know that you are to keep your toothbrush atleast 6 feet away from the toilet because of fecal bacteria?  You want babies to eat in the bathroom?!  I hate to think of your daily, or lack of daily hygiene if you think the proper place for a mother to nurse is in a restroom, so your virgin eyes don't see another breast!  UGH!!!  Aren't they just the nastiest things!  Oh my gosh....and the dreaded nipple! What shall we do?  Feed our children the way God intended...anywhere, and anytime!   
its more ladylike to care for your child   than to worry that you are going to upset someone by exposing a boob   feed them anytime  anywhere
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:34 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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I've read, and reread your message. I'm not sure if your profile name has anything to do with what you've passed along to the "ignorant" half of society, but I would take a wild guess that you don't have human children, rather feline children.  Before I go on...even kittens nurse.  Either you were raised in a convent, or your in your 90's. I would like to add, if you are elderly, you are excused, and I meant no disprespect.  If you are not, you need to see much more of the world before you judge others on the likes of being a lady.  LADYLIKE....it makes me laugh!  What in your opinion is a lady?  What does ladylike have anything to do with feeding a baby?  In a restroom?  Where, and how were you fed? Yikes...the restroom.!  Do you know that you are to keep your toothbrush atleast 6 feet away from the toilet because of fecal bacteria?  You want babies to eat in the bathroom?!  I hate to think of your daily, or lack of daily hygiene if you think the proper place for a mother to nurse is in a restroom, so your virgin eyes don't see another breast!  UGH!!!  Aren't they just the nastiest things!  Oh my gosh....and the dreaded nipple! What shall we do?  Feed our children the way God intended...anywhere, and anytime!   
i agree that it is not ladylike to breastfeed. God may have intended for women to breast feed their children..and i love God very much so I am not trying to be rude towards him, but bottles werent invented back then so how else were they supposed to feed their children! Now that more proper ways to feed their children are developed, than I think God doesnt look down upon it. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:35 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

I have comments on all three debates that were given today.

  

 

 

  

 

Breast Feeding in Public

  

 

What has happened to modesty in today's world? Women would not sit around and take out their breast and simply flaunt it for the heck of it, if so this would be considered indecent exposure. Now we say we are breast feeding our children and this should be acceptable? I think not! In this day and age with breast pumps there should be no reason that people cannot be more discreet. There are women I know that pump ahead of time to provide their children they need. Also another point that was not discussed is the fact that men no matter what the circumstance are going to sit there and look at the naked breast and possibly get turned on by that. I mean there are porn sites for everything anymore even nude pregnant women! Are we naive enough to think that this is ok to do in public simply because it the natural thing to do. Come on let's use a little common sense.

  

 

 

  

 

Condoms In School

  

 

I think that we should NOT hand out condoms in school at all. The school job's is to educate and not to teach morals. I mean isn't this why they mistakenly took prayer out of school? and God out of the Pledge of Allegiance? I mean we take God out and hand out condoms? Do we not see the contradiction here? I know that the "stats" support handing them out. However, Planned Parenthood is one the most liberal organizations out there that hand out condoms and birth control because teenagers simply want to go have sex. On the show Dr. Phil is always saying that teenagers do not think things through all the time, so then we give them the great responsibility of having sex? I mean there is much more to sex then simply the STD's and pregnancy. There are emotional issues, especially with young girls that handing them a condom will not solve. Where are the morals in this? So we teach kids about sex and that they should abstain....but here is the lighter in case you want to start that fire? I know that for me because I had good parents that cared and instilled fear in me, that I did not have sex because I did know the consequences of those actions. Another point is that by giving the school more control over our morals as in this situation, we are giving the government more control in our lives.

  

 

 

  

 

Disciplining Children

  

 

When we were younger and went out to eat with our parents we would sit still and behave. It was a very rare day when I or my sister had to be removed from anywhere in public and disciplined. We knew what would happen if we did not behave. Parents need more control of their children. I would never go to someone's child and say something; however I would to that parent. I am in total agreement with the young lady on the show that is the comedian. Everything she said, I applauded. Kids need control!

  

 

  

 

 
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