Message Boards

Topic : 10/07 The Latest Debates

Number of Replies: 6020
New Messages This Week: 0
Last Reply On:
Created on : Friday, September 30, 2005, 03:40:18 pm
Author : DrPhilBoard1

Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

Find out what happened on the show.

 

More October 2005 Show Boards.


As of January, 2009, this message board will become "Read Only" and will be closed to further posting. Please join the NEW Dr. Phil Community to continue your discussions, personalize your message board experience, start a blog and meet new friends.

User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
October 8, 2005, 12:57 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: sprlact8r

Okay, get a clue here!   First of all, do you like eating in a place where you can smell other people's gas and hear them urinate and defecate? I doubt it. It's not my breast I'm worried about being sanitary; it's the facility itself. My breast doesn't just jump out on its own. Ever notice how many people don't wash their hands? They are touching things I would have to touch. Not to mention it is the rare restroom that has a comfortable, clean, and separate place for nursing moms. If I come across the rare one of those where there is a SEPARATE lounge, I use it IF that's where I am when my baby is hungry.   You know what? I have never taken off a stitch of clothing in order to breastfeed in public, so I don't know where you get the idea that nursing moms are stripping in order to feed. What are you looking at? A "Girls Gone Wild" video??? That isn't how it works. I'm not an exhibitionist. I could probably be in a restaurant booth next you and you wouldn't even know my baby is nursing and not napping in my arms. If you feel the need to look and stare, that's your problem.   It is a sexual issue because this country is obsessed with the female body as a representation of sexuality. I don't know what you think you are seeing. At worst a brief flash of skin when the baby is latching on, but even that is unlikely. If you see a baby that you know is nursing and yet you can't see any part of breast, let alone the nipple...and that makes you uncomfortable...it's YOU.   I have my boundaries and respect my rights and those of my child's first. I'm a mom and it's my job to give my kids the best start possible. Besides, every time a mom nurses her baby in public, that's one more mother acting in a normal loving manner - just as much so as a bottle-feeding mom. There is no shame in using breasts for their intended purpose.   I'm tired of the attitude that is being perpetuated by statements like yours. It shows ignorance and THAT is a true lack of respect.

I one hundred percent agree with you about breastfeeding in a restroom. The thought of it is discusting. I have a nine month old son and I breastfeed him for seven months. Can I tell you that I never once thought about sitting on a dirty toilet, in a stall to feed my son. Give me a break! And I 'm sure if  people would pay attention they would relize that many bathrooms do not have seats that you can close.  Anytime I was out in public and it was time to nurse I covered up to the best of my abilities. My son did not exactly like to be cover up, and i dont blame him. I'm not one who can sleep with my face under the covers either. Anyway, I guess what I am tring to say is that not all women who breastfeed bare there breast fully and latch the baby on. I have rarley seen women who bare it all, but when i do i simply look away. I don't see what the big deal is.  

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
October 8, 2005, 1:01 am PDT

could a bottle be offensive???

You know, a bottle is a replication of a woman's nipple. How would bottle feeding moms feel if women starting attacking them on bottlefeeding in puplic because the nipples for a bottle were compared to a sex toy? If a breastfeeding mom can't breastfeed in public, neither should a bottle feeding mom. At least women who breast feed are discrete! I see bottles with the nipples exposed all the time! And, it is even called a nipple! If you can accept a false nipple out in the open, you can accept a nipple that is concealed. And for moms explaining breastfeeding to their children, there is no difference in describing the two.
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
October 8, 2005, 1:12 am PDT

WHAT ?

Quote From: mncsmom

Just as I don't like seeing babies bottle fed in public. Or Adults eating in public. Or smoking in public.  Or swear words. I could go on and on and on, I'm sure. 

  

I don't like it. I think you should do it in your own home, or in a private area.  

so If a mother decides to breast feed and NOT use a bottle and your not close to home your suppose to what pull over and hide in the brush on the side of the road to feed your child ? come on now you really think thats going to happen ? NOT this is the real world if it offends you then DONT LOOK its that simple shes feeding her child and if YOU would starve your child until you get to the next rest stop 50 miles away  to go hide in the bathroom while this child is screaming due to being hungry then that dont make you a very good parent  sorry but thats NOT normal if they are hungry then feed them and if people dont like what they see then they DONT need to look
 
User Mood
Good

Message Emote
blank
October 8, 2005, 1:29 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: vixnbrian

I have 3 children (3, 16mos and 4 mos)  my eldest was never breast fed (he just wouldn't lach on) and he is always getting sick!!  My middle child was breastfed and NEVER gets sick!  My youngest was premature due to stress from moving and he throws up formula so he is breastfed.  I know from experiance that breastfeeding is the healthiest way to go.  The bonding you get while breastfeeding is something you can't get with a bottle, it has nothing to do with closeness....it is an emotional bond that you just would never understand because you missed out on it!

It amazes me the ignorance that people have when it comes to BFing over FFing.   Sorry but anyone with 1/2 a brain should be smart enough to know that GENETICS have more to do with the child being healthy or sick than the 'food' they eat.   My kids were all 3 FF and are so much healthier than many BF kids and my oldest is VERY VERY smart.    Its FOOD, nothing more !!    And the *bonding experience*,   get a clue,  you can bond just as well HOLDING YOUR BABY and giving it a bottle, amazingly they have the same look in their eye if they are sucking on a bottle. 

  

R. 

 
User Mood
Good

Message Emote
blank
October 8, 2005, 1:33 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: rachel23

I think that people especially those without kids should mind their own business when it comes to rowdy kids in public. Sure they can be disruptive but give the parents some time to settle them down. I think that unless the child is in immediate mortal danger you should let me deal with my own kids the way I want to and if my parenting style is to let them scream it out in public then so be it. Go somewhere they don't allow kids if you want peace and quite.

I'm a mother of 3 and if you won't dicipline your children in PUBLIC than the PUBLIC should be able to do it for you.   If you don't want to grow-up and be responsible for your kids than you shouldn't have any.   I am SOOOO sick of AP and how they think they are so much better than everyone else, get a clue and realize you are creating monsters and not decent children that should be out in the world.   You want your child to scream and act like a brat then keep them at HOME. 

  

R. 

 

Message Emote
confused
October 8, 2005, 1:59 am PDT

i probably am entering this wrong

my $0.02 on today's topics: 

breastfeeding in public- put it this way, i would find it rude as hell if i saw a mother breastfeeding out in the open without covering herself. if she wasn't covering herself, i would as fast as i could, request to go to another table nowheres near the mother if at a restaurant. if one wasnt available, i would get my ass out of the restaurant. i would hope that a mother and her baby would have the etiquette to go to the bathroom or in their car to breastfeed out of respect for everyone. also, why arent these mothers bringing bottles with milk for the baby? while breast milk is probably the bed nutritionwise, for when you are out of the house, formula is fine...... 

  

telling someone's kids to knock it off- i'm the the middle here. i would never tell a kid to knock it off or go to the parent just because it's not a big deal but a slight annoyance. however, it is hard as hell to be on a plane with screaming kids while the parent(s)'s sit back and do nothing. granted though most of the time, the parent(s)'s do try to quiet down the child(ren). i did once get pissed off enough at a child to do something about it. i was at a department store in the fitting room (the ones that dont lock but shut), and some little boy kept running across the room opening my door and looking under. i slamed the door LOUDLY each time the kid was doing this. the mother did not speak a word of english so i knew what i did got the point across. i wanted to try on my clothes in peace without some brat giving me a fricken headache. 

  

condoms in school- i graduated high school just a few years ago and i think america needs to wake up and realize you need to have an organized sex ed program where you teach EVERYTHING on how to use protection, stds, and that abstintance is best and the only guarantee. i agree 100% with the woman who was for condoms in school. like she said, this doesnt mean you are simpily passing them out to every child. imo schools should have a jar in the nurses office for students that annmously can pick up condoms. you are asking for trouble and thinking way over your head that most kids will refrain from having sex by only teaching abstinance. my high school taught abstinance only and let me tell you, students laughed the whole thing off. in an ideal world, abstinance education is great, but people need to be realistic and teach a variety of things to avoid stds and pregnancies. 

 

Message Emote
blank
October 8, 2005, 2:01 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: raerae

i don't think people should breastfeed in public unless they are covered by a blanket or something. i have a 5 year old boy and he is always asking what people are doing. i don't think i should have to explain that to him. when he is older maybe. but most places have a place for them to feed. i don't walk around with  food for him. if he is hungry we go somewher and eat. i don't want to look at someone else breastfeeding. i believe that is something to do the pricacy of your home or somewhere that not everyone is looking at you. i think that people that breast feed in public are just looking for attention. go home and get your attention from your husband. i don't want  to see your breasts. keep them to your self. if i want to see them i could go to the strip club and see as much as i wanted.
 How 'bout this: when your son asks what people are doing, you might want to try ANSWERING HIM. "That woman is feeding her baby." There, how hard is that to say? Six words, none of them over two syllables. What's to "explain" that would be at all age-inappropriate?
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
October 8, 2005, 2:02 am PDT

Condoms in Schools

I agree with Dr. Phil - as long as there is education that goes along with it, I don't have a problem handing them out.  Does that mean every child is going to have sex or that I agree with them having sex - no.  It just means that there are kids out there who do have sex without thinking of the consequences. 

The only disagreement I had with Dr. Phil is when he likened giving a condom to saying "dont drink but here's a six pack" or "don't smoke but here's cigarettes".  I liken it more to "dont drink, but if you do here is a number to call so you don't drink and drive".  After all, providing a designated driver may save their life and others.  Providing a condom is the same. 

 
User Mood
Nervous

Message Emote
blank
October 8, 2005, 2:12 am PDT

I Have Ben

OMG!!! 

OK, Here Is What I Think. 

 Women were meant to Breast feed. 

What  is the difference of a Man wakin down the street without a shirt???  

Ok Ya Were goin there . 

Cause ya know the only reason that we even COVER UP as Women is cause somone said we should , probably back in the 1800s. Ok 

Well Men have NIPPLES TOOO! So Ya know what if I am gonna be expected to Cover my chest then I think The MEN should COVER Theirs!!! Cause They have NIPPLES TOO. 

Ya Know Women can walk around in a string bikini, but No thats not your issue. You Gonna sit and bitch about women NOURISHING their child . UGGGG What a Pitty. 

  

Becky 

  

 
User Mood
Touched

Message Emote
blank
October 8, 2005, 2:13 am PDT

This is silly....

Having recently graduated from high school (now attending university in Canada) I think I can offer some insight on the condom issue. 

  

I hear what some women are saying about leaving the choice up to the parents. Fortunately, I was one of the lucky children and had parents who educated me on the subject and sacrificed a lot of money and material possessions to put all four children through Christian elementary schools. In grade 5 and 8 we were educated about the sex organs/puberty and in grade 8 about how sex works and why you should abstain. 

  

I then attending a public high school where sex education was quite different. Contrary to what a lot of adults on this message board are saying, the schools do not just hand out condemns left right and centre. You are taught foremost that abstainance is the best way to prevent pregnancy/STDs. You are taught about all types of birth control not as if you are going to do it anyway, but because in reality a lot of teens do. And even if teens don't this is good information to know when you get into a serious relationship or marriage. Teens know that they can drop in the nurse's office if they need to get them. 

  

But I really disagree with a few of you who think that just because you are Christians (as I am too) that everyone must have the same upbringing and attentive parents as you must be (and my parents were) BUT NOT ALL TEENS HAVE THIS!! I had a lot of good friends where their parents just didn't care or were too uncomfortable to talk about it. And the sex progams may supply condems if needed; but they also say to teens - "Hey, you don't have to have sex just b/c your boyfriend wants/or all your friends are" - these are words they may not have heard otherwise. 

  

That's what sex programs are like in Canadian schools anyways, I assumed they were similar in the States. 

 
First | Prev | 361 | 362 | 363 | 364 | 365 | 366 | 367 | 368 | 369 | 370 | Next | Last