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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 1:20 pm PDT

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Quote From: jax3303

 The way I see it, if you or I can eat in public, then so can my child. If bottle feeding is allowed in public, then so should breastfeeding. I'd rather see a breastfeeding mother over a formula feeding mother any day. At least with a breastfeeding mother, you know that baby is getting the best food possible, and not some artificial junk. (yes, MY PERSONAL OPINION is that formula is junk). People see more breast from a random woman wearing a low cut top in the mall than you do seeing me breastfeed my daughter. If you dont like a woman breastfeeding in public, don't look. Nobody is forcing you to stare at my child eating.
Then would it be alright with you if we all took off our tops and ate our food off of each others chest like your child? I am just trying to be fair.
 
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October 8, 2005, 1:21 pm PDT

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Quote From: akasam

 Women who insist on breast feeding in public are selfish, rude and exhibitioists.  My children were breast fed but NEVER in public, I have too much dignity.  They survived to healthy adulthood without the public displays of  "bonding" and I was not a recluse either.  There are times and places for everything. 
Parents who do not have control of their children should not have them in public, period.  Here's tip #1 - if a child does not, will not or can not understand and follow the concepts of  "be quiet" and "stop" then they do not belong where they intrude in innocent people's lives.  Tip #2 - if you can afford to raise four children you can afford to budget a babysitter.  If you can't afford a babysitter  you should not have four children.  You are a burden to those of us who are capable of doing the math.

OHIO

Ohio now has legislation addressing breastfeeding in public. The Governor of Ohio signed SB 41 into law on June 14, 2005, which shall take effect in 90 days (September 12, 2005). 

Sec. 3781.55. A mother is entitled to breast-feed her baby in any location of a place of public accommodation wherein the mother otherwise is permitted. 

"Place of public accommodation" has the same meaning as in section 4112.01 of the Revised Code. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 1:24 pm PDT

Breast feeding in public

I think that breastfeeding is a normal and natural process; however, so is a lot of other things like urinating, bowel movements, and even gas. These things we try to not do in public and breastfeeding is the same. There MAY be times that it has to be, but only when an alternative is not available. I know breastfeeding Moms pump their breasts for milk for the times that they are not available for the child. That milk should be kept available for public uses too.  I know one mom that breastfeed in such a discrete way that you had to look hard to tell if she was breastfeeding or just cuddling her baby.  

  

 Some moms DO like for people to look at their fuller and firmer breasts and the attention is a plus for them. I was young once too and those milk -filled breasts were a beauty to behold!!!  (I did not breastfeed, but I can clearly remember wishing my breasts would stay that size until eternity).  These attention seeking females is what makes breastfeeding in public an issue. There is such a wide chasm between discreetly and flaunting and many moms choose the latter. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 1:24 pm PDT

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YOU GO GIRL!!!!  I support you 200%!!!!  My mom raised me by herself with no help from my father and she had a hard enough time with just me.  Kudos to you!!!  I wish there were enough kudos to give you!!!  Keep up the good work!!!!
I think it's a prime example of how we all judge people without knowing the complete story. Thank you for reminding us all that maybe we should "Think before we speak". Good for you for at least being responsible for your situation.
 
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October 8, 2005, 1:25 pm PDT

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Quote From: dr_joy

Rude people are everywhere, including women who insist on baring their breasts in public on the flimsy excuse that they are breast-feeding, not giving a damn about kindness or respect for others. During my pediatric internship, I found that the women who refuse to show discretion when breast feeding in public are almost always small breasted when their breasts are not engorged with milk, and feel insecure/inhibited sexually. They use the excuse of breast feeding to show off their breasts in public because they can convince themselves that it this is a morally, if not socially, acceptable way to show off their new, bigger breasts. Those who are emotionally and sexually secure, and endorse public breast feeding do it with respect and modesty, acklowledging and respecting that some natural acts are not meant to be done with no restraint in public places, and acknowledging that the breast IS a sexual object, NOT just a source of food for infants. My compassion goes out to the women who are so psychologically challenged , they need to hide behind and use their babies to become sexual exhibitionists. There are plenty of socially acceptable venues to do that, and family restaurants are NOT socially acceptable venues. Farting and belching are equally natural parts of eating for all people, not just babies, and thank goodness most people are kind and respectful and don't just "let one rip" while they are eating in public, simple because it's natural process to pass gas from both ends while eating.    

  

Joy, M.D. 

A Quote From the American Academy of Pediatrics: 

  

"Human milk is species-specific, and all substitute feeding preparations differ markedly from it, making human milk uniquely superior for infant feeding.12 Exclusive breastfeeding is the reference or normative model against which all alternative feeding methods must be measured with regard to growth, health, development, and all other short- and long-term outcomes. In addition, human milk-fed premature infants receive significant benefits with respect to host protection and improved developmental outcomes compared with formula-fed premature infants.1322 From studies in preterm and term infants, the following outcomes have been documented" 

  

Or, read the entire study here: http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;115/2/496 

  

By being opposed to breastfeeding you are going against all medical schools of thought, knowledge and facts. You should have your license revoked for the ignorance you just spouted. Doctor or not, you're an idiot. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 1:26 pm PDT

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Quote From: jenmousie

I hope I never have the misforturne to take one of my children to a doc like you.  I've actually been thanked by the docs for breastfeeding in their waiting room because they want the low income patients they have to understand that it is natural and that they don't have to resort to formula.  And BTW, I don't have small breasts that I'm happy are swelled from milk.  My dream for when I'm done with my child bearing is to have the dang things reduced!  Besides, once you get past the first couple of months of breastfeeding engorgement isn't much of an issue anyway. 

  

Perhaps you are fixated with breasts as sexual objects.  I guarantee  you that most breastfeeding mothers will tell you that their breasts have become strictly functional objects for them.  If your fixation with breasts as sexual objects is causing you distress perhaps you should stay home to do your eating.   

Dr Joy, 

  

It is too my dismay that you practice medicine, and have patients who listen to you.  I have 3 children, age ranges from 11 to 11 months, and not once has a doctor tell me I shouldn't breastfeed in public.  They have all encouraged to feed my child on demand.  I don't flaunt my breast for the whole world to see, but I also don't cover up like I should be ashamed of my act of feeding my child.  I am a nurse, and worked with doctors who encourage woman to breastfeed, not bottle feed for the health and well being of the child. I know in your training your were made aware of the benefits of breastfeeding over bottlefeeding.  I like the woman before me have large breasts, and plan on having breast reduction when I am through breastfeeding my children.  I am not FLAUNTING my breast for sexual pleasure for anyone, I am FEEDING my child.  My 11 yr old daughter thinks it is perfectly natural for me to breastfeed my 11 month old daughter, and is not the least be ashamed that I do it in public.  On occassion while out, she will hand her too me and tell my to feed my daughter.  As a "doctor" do you find this wrong too?  Breastfeeding in public and anywhere else in Texas 

 
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October 8, 2005, 1:28 pm PDT

Bust the biker babes not the B/F Moms

I live in FL and every year for bike weeks we have to deal with Biker babes riding around on the back of their boyfriends bike with their top off and showing off their boobs to the world if you want to get mad about indecency do something about that or about Hollywood who can't seem to make a movie with out showing someones bust. Leave the breast Feeding Moms alone who are Doing the best thing for their babies.  Don't look if it bothers you and be thankful some one feed you when you were a baby hopefully not in a bathroom either.
 
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October 8, 2005, 1:31 pm PDT

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Quote From: blakekimo

 I am really disappointed that Dr. Phil did not get an adequate answer out of the woman who didn't want to see women b'feed in public. It is not appealing? That is not an answer.  If someone offered her breastmilk she could say "no thank you, it is not appealing to me". I wonder if she thinks that her unusual style of dress and hair color is appealing? To those a little more conservative I would have to say probably not, but I wouldn't ask her not to dine out because of it. I am breastfeeding my second child and have only had to do it in public 2x. I try to stick to a schedule so that I dont have to do it in public, not because I shouldn't, but because it makes me uncomfortable, which makes my child uncomfortable. I have seen many people, including close friends, nurse their children and have never seen their breasts. It must be the IDEA of it that bothers you all so much. Get over it, God made them specifically for my child, it is only a bonus that they can be used for other things when they are not working to give my child the best start in life.
You are right. My silly " have respect for other people around you" and " I think a compromise is best" were just ridiculous (I am being VERY sarcastic, dear). It is clear that you didn't listen , or heard exactly what you wanted to. I mean , when you sink as low as going after someones appearance that means you really have nothing of value to say in the first place. Yes, a skirt and a top are highly unusual.
 
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October 8, 2005, 1:32 pm PDT

BREAST FEEDING

 THE WOMAN WHO WAS COMLPAINING ABOUT WOMEN BREASTFEEDING IN PUBLIC.........WHAT IS SHE THINKING.... IT IS A NATURAL THING ....I NOTICED SHE DIDNT HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING HER BREASTS HANGING OUT.  I BREAST FED 2 BABIES 26 YEARS AGO AND  IT WAS WONDERFUL. AND NEVER DID I HAVE TO EXPOSE MY SELF AND I FED THEM WHERE EVER AND WHEN EVER.
 
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October 8, 2005, 1:33 pm PDT

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The American Academy of Pediatrics States that: 

  

Infectious Diseases
Research in developed and developing countries of the world, including middle-class populations in developed countries, provides strong evidence that human milk feeding decreases the incidence and/or severity of a wide range of infectious diseases23 including bacterial meningitis,24,25 bacteremia,25,26 diarrhea,2733 respiratory tract infection,22,3340 necrotizing enterocolitis,20,21 otitis media,27,4145 urinary tract infection,46,47 and late-onset sepsis in preterm infants.17,20 In addition, postneonatal infant mortality rates in the United States are reduced by 21% in breastfed infants.48  

Other Health Outcomes
Some studies suggest decreased rates of sudden infant death syndrome in the first year of life4955 and reduction in incidence of insulin-dependent (type 1) and non–insulin-dependent (type 2) diabetes mellitus,5659 lymphoma, leukemia, and Hodgkin disease,6062 overweight and obesity,19,6370 hypercholesterolemia,71 and asthma3639 in older children and adults who were breastfed, compared with individuals who were not breastfed. Additional research in this area is warranted.  

Neurodevelopment
Breastfeeding has been associated with slightly enhanced performance on tests of cognitive development.14,15,7280 Breastfeeding during a painful procedure such as a heel-stick for newborn screening provides analgesia to infants.81,82  

Maternal Health Benefits
Important health benefits of breastfeeding and lactation are also described for mothers.83 The benefits include decreased postpartum bleeding and more rapid uterine involution attributable to increased concentrations of oxytocin,84 decreased menstrual blood loss and increased child spacing attributable to lactational amenorrhea,85 earlier return to prepregnancy weight,86 decreased risk of breast cancer,8792 decreased risk of ovarian cancer,93 and possibly decreased risk of hip fractures and osteoporosis in the postmenopausal period.9496  

Community Benefits
In addition to specific health advantages for infants and mothers, economic, family, and environmental benefits have been described. These benefits include the potential for decreased annual health care costs of $3.6 billion in the United States97,98; decreased costs for public health programs such as the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC)99; decreased parental employee absenteeism and associated loss of family income; more time for attention to siblings and other family matters as a result of decreased infant illness; decreased environmental burden for disposal of formula cans and bottles; and decreased energy demands for production and transport of artificial feeding products.100102 These savings for the country and for families would be offset to some unknown extent by increased costs for physician and lactation consultations, increased office-visit time, and cost of breast pumps and other equipment, all of which should be covered by insurance payments to providers and families.  

  

  

We should be applauding nursing mothers wherever they are and not insulting them with ignorant stereotypes. Formula feeding should cause embarassment, not breastfeeding. Not under any circumstances! 

 
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