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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 3:50 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: rodell

you need to have respect for nursing mothers!!
Can you prove that I don't? No. There is time and place for everything. There is no reason not to use your best discretion. Please try to use your common sense from now on. Thank you.
 
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October 8, 2005, 3:53 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: kat200

Shelly obviously needs to be educated about breastfeeding, as it is completely normal and natural. If you have a problem with it, don't look! I believe that for Shelly and others who have problems seeing women breastfeeding, the issue stems from an event, most likely sexual, that occured in childhood. Many victims of sexual abuse have difficulties with anything or body part having to do with sex and, also have trouble forming any type of relationship. 

  

As far as condoms go, the lady opposed to the idea is right about latex breaking. Also, if you are allergic to latex, you must resort to non-latex, which breaks even easier. (Note: I did not figure out that I had a latex allergy until I kept noticing bandaids irritating me all through childhood and put two and two together, so this is just a little note for parents or anyone who might be.) Tracey, please stop blaming everyone else for your getting pregnant--you chose to spread your legs, knowing full well how it happens.  

  

I have a question for Karla: where is your husband? Certainly, you don't go out to dinner without him. I can understand only having two hands during the day while he's at work, but where is he when you go to dinner? Parents need to teach their children proper etiquette and class. Also, please do not bring your children to graduations, lavish weddings, shows, and other upscale events. When I pay for expensive dinner or tickets, I expect there to be peace and quiet. Lastly, I have never actually tried to discipline another child in public, but I have given the parents "looks" and said, "Shut-up!" and they still did not make much of an effort in some cases. A little threw something at me at a graduation and neither parent removed him. These are parents who seem to think that little Suzy is a perfect angel, and act like there is nothing wrong. I agree with Robin on removing their son from the restaurant. 

Well, you made me laugh. That is some BIG assuming. Made you should take some psychology classes before you do anymore armchair diagnosis' there doctor.
 
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October 8, 2005, 3:53 pm PDT

Your issues are not my problem

 I'm not sure where some of you people live, but I can assure you that not once in the process of breastfeeding my nine month old daughter, have I taken off my entire top and danced around while my breasts swung in the breeze so that I might entice husbands of uptight women, traumatize young children who were unfortunate enough to be bottle fed and hope that anyone in sight might find me feeding my baby to be "attractive".

Thankfully, my state protects my right to feed my baby. I'm allowed, by law, to feed my munchkin anywhere I am allowed to be. Try as I might, I have not found a single statue or law on the books that says that I, or any breastfeeding in public opponents, have a lawful right to not be offended.

I will not waste my time pumping.
I will not feed my child in the bathroom/car/corner facing the wall.
I will feed my child where and when I want to because my STATE and my COUNTRY have said that I have a RIGHT to feed my child.

Your offense is not my concern and it's not my problem.



 
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October 8, 2005, 3:53 pm PDT

The Latest Debates

Quote From: antedote

I too am extremely offended when I see a baby being bottle fed or with a pacifier stuck in its mouth.  I think it is ugly and disgusting. 

It inteferes with how I am trying to raise my children.. to be healthy, to value babies and people, to discern what is true (breasts and mothers arms) and what is fake (bottles, pacifiers, baby swings, car seats as  infant holders). 

If you decide to have a baby....stay home, breastfeed, hold your baby, give of your self to your baby and someday he/she will do the same loving things for you when you are old and can't feed yourself, turn over in bed or even to talk to the person who you are completely in LOVE with and dependent upon. 

  

So you are saying that if you see a child with a bottle in their mouth it is gross. Well, what about babies that are adopted, foster babies etc. not being raised by the bilogical mother for what ever reason. Or if a mother has done everything she knows to do and still can not nurse and has to bottle feed. Is it wrong and gross then? And the paicficer issue. Some babies like to suck on things. I don't hear debates about people smacking gum in public. And there are way fewer dabates about smoking in public which is unhealthy for that person and everyone around them, but yet we have to pick on mothers for doing the very best they can with as much help and support as they have. How are swings fake? They are being rocked when mom can not hold them or sometimes the baby is tired of being held! Why do we mothers have to breastfeed and stay at home cooped up inside all the time just because we are doing what God commanded us to do! Go and populate the world! So don't stand in judgement of someone when you don't know the full story!
 
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October 8, 2005, 3:54 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: rodell

Why do we have to be in the bathroom.  It sounds like you have a personal issue with it. 
Actually, with all of your hostility, I think the issue is yours.
 
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October 8, 2005, 3:56 pm PDT

Mother of three

Quote From: moiras

I am a mother of 3 children, one being a BOY.  When a BOY is raised around a breastfeeding child, it doesn't have to be explained as to what the woman is doing.  My son thinks nothing of me breastfeeding his little sister, because he knows that is how she eats.  That is her food.  It is nothing to "explain".  It is a Mom feeding her baby.  Why should I have to pump to make you happy.  That isn't my job.  My job is being the best mother I can be, and raising my kids to be comfortable in all kinds of situations, including b/f mothers.  My children are raised not to be judgmental of other people.  Maybe it is what is not being said, that bothers your sons more, than an explaination.  Just like overweight people, or mentally hanicapped people.  Do you not explain these to your children.  Why make a big deal out of a breastfeeding mother, if you don't make big deals out of other situations.  If you don't make a big deal out of it, your children won't make a big deal out if.  The MORE your children are given knowledge, the less curious they will be.  Knowledge is power, not judgement.   P.S. what do you suggest when a baby won't take a bottle?  My daughter just absolutely refuses.  It has a funny taste to her, and she won't take it.  I won't be SHAMED into going outside to my car, (where by the way people can still see in your car, and aren't happy), or having to make other people happy.  My goal is to raise happy healthy children, who understand that breastfeeding is natural for a mother to do with her child.  Don't explain, empower your children with knowledge.
Nudity is not knowledge. We don't care if you breast feed. More power to you. You just don't have to share it with us. All we are saying is cover your breast. It has been done by thousands of wonderful breast feeding mothers for years. You don't have to hide in a bathroom, or your car. Just hide your BREAST under your shirt or a small blanket. I have a question. How old is your breastfeeding baby? Is she old enough to tell you that it doesn't taste good? Doesn't the milk taste the same no matter if it comes from your breast or a bottle? If it doesn't, maybe you should try washing the bottle and or the breast pump....
 
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October 8, 2005, 3:56 pm PDT

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You are missing the point.  Breastfeeding has nothing to do with sex!!  It is perfectly natural for BABIES to eat this way, but nobody is endorsing this behavior for adults.
Who said it was about sex? It's just having dinner. We are just going to eat like your kid is. How is that not fair?
 
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October 8, 2005, 3:59 pm PDT

Benefits of Breastfeeding

When we were trying to get pregnant with our first child, I was diagnosed with Ovarian Cancer.  Inside 2 weeks I had major surgery to remove my left ovary and fallopian tube.  If breastfeeding prevents me from getting it again or from getting breast cancer (which I am also at higher risk for now) then why shouldn't I have the right to do it whenever and wherever I please.  I want to stick around for my children.  But it's not about that.  Breastfeeding in public doesn't hurt anyone and there isn't a single breastfeeding mom who says to herself.....let me see who I can offend today.  Most people are discreet and we as a culture need to accept people for who they are and the choices they make for themselves. 
 
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October 8, 2005, 4:00 pm PDT

Wow..that is all I can think of!!!

 I am deeply disturbed by some of these posts I don't know where to start.   I don't understand what the problem is with breastfeeding.  If you happen to be in public and you child needs to eat...shouldn't you feed him/her?  Or should you let him/her scream, so you can be like the other lady with unruley children? 

Feed them discretely, don't just wip it out.  And it is not the same as "having sex or unrinating in public"...give me a break.   You see more breasts on tv (most not even real) in a hour then you will ever see of a b/f women in public....do you turn the channel??  Probaby not..why, because is it now normal to see naked people on tv.  Why isn't feeding a baby normal?? 

You should not have to "leave" if you need to feed you child.   There are plenty of  people in public that are MORE disgusting than a mom feeding her child.  Or you going to tell them to go home because you don't want to look at them??   I think not.  Isn't that why most of us choose to live in this country.  FYI, the MOA has "family" restrooms, couches, tv etc..

I don't think you should be b/f an older child in public...give the kid a cup.  Breast are for feeding,  BUT  that is because babies are not able to east or drink any other way.  When the child is older, if you choose to b/f until 2 or 3 years..don't do it in public.  At that age you have a choice to give them food or a bottle or cup.  Just my two cents.

I am a mom of 7 and b/f 6 of them.  Some people are not able to or just have a hard time b/f and that is totally ok.  That is why they make formula.  I have done both.

The lady with the unruley kids.....don't bring them out in public until you can control them.  I understand kids have fits, but if this is ALL OF THE TIME..read Dr. Phils book or call Nanny 911!!

Condoms in school..I am on the line with that one.   I have teenagers and they are taugh sex ed in school.  And I prefer my childer not to have sex.  BUT I was also a teenager....you don't think about what you been taught in the "heat of the moment", so having condems available would be of benefit.


 
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October 8, 2005, 4:01 pm PDT

Are You Serious???

Quote From: immom98

 As a breastfeeding mama of 2, I am ashamed of your message!!  I breastfed my first child until her 3rd birthday, and my second is still nursing strong at 33 months!  I have had no problems at all BFing in public, when my baby or child was hungry, upset, tired, etc we would find a bench or chair and sit down to nurse.  Then everything was all better for mommy,  baby/child, and THE PUBLIC because my baby/child wasn't screaming, crying, or being wild in public.  I satifised their needs.

What isn't ladylike about using the breasts for the purpose they were designed for??  Let's say you were eating in a restaurant, and I walked by your table and I didn't like what you were eating, would you go eat in the bathroom?  NO!  So what's the difference??  NOT ONE THING!
All I have to say is one thing, when a child is old enough to unhook your bra and put your breast in their mouths all by themselves and put it back in when they're finished it is definantly time to get them off the breast.
 
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