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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 7:57 am PDT

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It strikes me as odd that people can even debate over something as natural as this. I love how the human body is something to be ashamed of yet violence for the most part is acceptable. TV is a perfect example of what I am speaking of.   I am a mother of 2 however I personaly did not breast feed either of my children, However, it does not bother me in the least bit to see someone do this in public.  It is a breast & it produces milk for to feed  a newborn infant deal with it.  The sick twisted indivuals are those that turn breastfeeding into something sexual or something to be ashamed of. Sorry but that is sick and a serious reality check is needed.  If you do not wish to see it do not look or stare for that matter.  Should I tell you to eat in your car or bathroom? Maybe you are over engorging yourself or  your manners just are not  right,  I guess you should remove yourself so we do not have to see such vial things? How stupid did that statement just sound? I am aware sex is a natural thing to do as well but if you are comparing the both of them in same sentence you need Psychiatric evaluation. Breastfeeding IS NOT sexual.
 
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condoms in school

I agree that sex should be addressed in school. The school has our children longer than we do and that is where they do most of their interaction with their peers. We should try to stress how important abstinence is. The truth is though, not 100% of all of the kids will go along with that. Maybe the condoms shouldn't be passed out, but made available. Education is key. We need to provide all the facts. Not just statistics, but the emotions and the aftermath of sex. Most of us know about the STDs and pregnancy, but it is sooooo important to explain how sex affects us emotionally. Also, how boys generally view sex differently that girls do. We need to take sex education to the next level. Also, parents need to discuss sex with their kids. Keep a realistic open dialouge with kids. It may not be easy but I think it will definately help is parents and schools keep the conversations realistic and educational.
 
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October 7, 2005, 7:57 am PDT

disciplining other people's children

The mother on the show who doesn't think it's anyone's job to discipline her children except hers, is deluding herself.  If she continues to allow her children to misbehave and cannot control them to the point where other people are always annoyed at her childrens conduct, she will find out that her children will be disciplined by others, namely school authorities, juvenile court, and finally, the adult court system.  They must be taught to respect other people and authority.  When grown people don't like your children, it's because they are rude and disrespectful of others.  This is the parents fault.  If you don't want to stay home all the time and come home all the time because of the kid's conduct, train them!  I could take my kids anywhere when they were young, it's just a matter of consistant training. 

  

My other question to the lady with the unruley kids is, where is their father?  I'm guessing he's still around since she's expecting.  Why is he never around when she goes out anywhere?  I hope her children get the help they need from her.  If her attitude doesn't change her kids will all have a hard row to hoe their entire lives. 

 
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Hand them out. Parents need to get their heads out of the sand! They don't want to think about little Sally or Little Billy, having sex.  If they are in high school, chances are high that they are or will be very soon!  Teaching abstinence is ideal, but there should be both things in schools--teaching abstinence and giving condoms for the kids that don't listen to the abstinence speech.  Also, it needs to be in conjunction with PARENTS taking care of these things at home!  Sex education shouldn't be the schools responsibility, but parents are too embarrassed to speak bluntly about it. When my daughter went through Sex Ed, it was so "scientific and glossed over" that she didn't learn a thing. Fortunately, we had covered the real grounds at home so she knew what was missing from the education.  I even got on the internet and showed my 15 year old Sophomore what Genital Herpes, Warts, Sphyllis, etc really looked like and believe me, that was as effective as any condom because it is GROSS. If someone had shown me that stuff, she wouldn't be born today!! That is what teens relate to and there should be a total program of condoms, real education, parental involvement, and teaching abstinence!
I am a parent of two teens in high school, a daughter and a son.  You are so right when you say parents need to get their heads out of the sand.  My daughter tells me a lot, we have a very open relationship.  Parents in my town would be MORTIFIED if they only knew what their kids were doing.  Parents are oblivious!!  Most parents that I talk to think their kids are still virgins and that they have nothing to worry about.  It has been an eye opener for me.  We need to talk to kids on their level.  It is great if a teenager wants to wait for the right person or marriage, but there are too many of them out there that are having sex with no protection.  I am in the medical field, and these kids have no idea what having an STD can involve.  They have no idea that just because someone doesn't show symptoms, they can still pass the disease.  I think absitinence should be taught, but right along with it we should be teaching our kids responsible sex.  AIDS is a killer and I would rather teach them responsible sex than put my head in the clouds.
 
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It always shocks me when I hear how offensive the act of breastfeeding is in public.  As the mother of a 5 month old, I have recently spent many a time in the ladies bathroom relegated to the stall to feed feed my child.  This kind of thing needs to stop!  By asking people to "compromise" as you did this morning on your show, all you are doing is continuing the problem.  And indeed it is a problem.  What kind of society are we that we can watch nudity and violence on TV on a regular basis and get offended or lose our appetite at the sight of a mother feeding her child?  That is absurd. 

  

It is true, look away if you feel offended.  To me, it is the most amazing experience.  If I don't want people to look I would remove myself from the public.  However, it is a basic instinct for our chlidren to want to eat.  By making women uncomfortable, we force many women to STOP breastfeeding early just so that they can be out in "public".  Scientific studies have repeatedly proven how beneficial and necessary breastfeeding is.  Our children are forced to formula too soon because of archaic beliefs and ideology.    

  

We are one of the ONLY societies in the world who don't look favorably at breastfeeding in public.  It's a VERY selfish person who can't put aside their bias for the good of a child.  If I thought breastfeeding was just a simple choice, bottle or breast I would have gone to the bottle.  However, nothing can replace breastmilk.  Nothing provides the nutrients and antibodies prevelent in breastmilk but breastmilk.   

  

So get OVER it.  Deal with it and look away and go about your business.  It's only a breast! 

Some of you moms are overreacting...No one is asking you to let your "poor innocent child STARVE"--No one is suggesting Neglecting a child for the Public Good until you can get to a car. And no, I don't think you should go to the bathroom, that is nasty. But use a blanket, wear a shirt that you can unbutton, not pull up and show all of your breast and belly and such.  There are simple ways to remedy this and feed the baby.
 
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but, like some kids pull the blankets/covers off, a lot of babies are so used to the breast that they will not drink from a bottle.  A lot of breastfeeding mothers have tried the "cover up" and "pump/use a bottle" with little success.   

  

I was very uncomfortable with feeding in public...just because people judge it so harshly.  But, my baby was hungry...he had to eat and I was not willing to give him formula.  He also would not use a bottle. 

Mine also wouldn't take a bottle, and I tried a few diffrent pumps - had to pump about an hour to get three ounces . .
 
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October 7, 2005, 7:58 am PDT

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I breast feed 2 children and loved every minute of it. I do not feel that all people should be exposed to it. One example is My Dad. I did not feal comfortable in front of him and neither did he so I would just drape a recieving blanket over myself. For the woman who said her child would through it off. I just feel that if you did that from the start then your child would not know the difference. What happens to the parent making the rules.  It can be done discreatly without offending others and still nurishing you child. 

Tina in CT 

RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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October 7, 2005, 7:58 am PDT

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The lady who had 3 kids and is now pregnant again!! needs to STOP having children 1st of all.  2nd of all if you can't handle the 3 you have then why would you have more.  Where is the father in this family?  I agree with the Lady who thinks you should be able to say something if they are disrupting your dinner, movie, space etc.  I have 2 children and they would not act up like that in public.  They know with bad behavior comes bad consequences.  I have always said "if my kids are acting up and I'm not there to do something about it then by all means.  Say something to them."  I don't feel that you should spank, that never solves anything.  I'm sure I've upset a few people out there, and I'll read all about it when I get back home from work.  I also disagree with breastfeeding in public.  COVER it up.....I don't want to see it and didn't show mine when I breast feed my son. 
 
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It always shocks me when I hear how offensive the act of breastfeeding is in public.  As the mother of a 5 month old, I have recently spent many a time in the ladies bathroom relegated to the stall to feed feed my child.  This kind of thing needs to stop!  By asking people to "compromise" as you did this morning on your show, all you are doing is continuing the problem.  And indeed it is a problem.  What kind of society are we that we can watch nudity and violence on TV on a regular basis and get offended or lose our appetite at the sight of a mother feeding her child?  That is absurd. 

  

It is true, look away if you feel offended.  To me, it is the most amazing experience.  If I don't want people to look I would remove myself from the public.  However, it is a basic instinct for our chlidren to want to eat.  By making women uncomfortable, we force many women to STOP breastfeeding early just so that they can be out in "public".  Scientific studies have repeatedly proven how beneficial and necessary breastfeeding is.  Our children are forced to formula too soon because of archaic beliefs and ideology.    

  

We are one of the ONLY societies in the world who don't look favorably at breastfeeding in public.  It's a VERY selfish person who can't put aside their bias for the good of a child.  If I thought breastfeeding was just a simple choice, bottle or breast I would have gone to the bottle.  However, nothing can replace breastmilk.  Nothing provides the nutrients and antibodies prevelent in breastmilk but breastmilk.   

  

So get OVER it.  Deal with it and look away and go about your business.  It's only a breast! 

Some of you moms are overreacting...No one is asking you to let your "poor innocent child STARVE"--No one is suggesting Neglecting a child for the Public Good until you can get to a car. And no, I don't think you should go to the bathroom, that is nasty. But use a blanket, wear a shirt that you can unbutton, not pull up and show all of your breast and belly and such.  There are simple ways to remedy this and feed the baby.
 
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October 7, 2005, 7:59 am PDT

On disciplining other people's kids

It never fails to astound me at how many parents are oblivious to their childrens' rotten behavior.   

  

When faced with this situation, my first approach is to the parent.  I paste a smile on my face and with warmth in my voice I ask them to please take care of the situation. 

  

Depending on the response I get from said parent (some get really snotty) I take two different tacks.  

  

After they have attempted to control the child without success, I'll -- again with the smile and the warmth -- ask their permission to take a try at it. I'll explain, with a wink, that sometimes kids respond better to strangers. This kind of parent is usually so embarrassed and so frustrated that they let me take a shot.   

  

Those that get snotty, though, get treated quite differently.  First, with a lot less friendliness in my demeanor, I'll ask them to either control or remove the child (if possible).  If it is a situation that we are all trapped (i.e., plane) in our assigned areas I'll complain to staff.  If THAT fails, I'll confront the kid directly and tell him to knock it off.  That usually works.  

  

 
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