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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 9, 2005, 11:49 am PDT

oh my goodness

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I do think that often we give teens mixed messages regarding sex that can have life changing consequences other than pregnancy and STD's.  On the night of his high school graduation my 18 year old son had sex with his girlfriend.  He was 3 weeks past his 18th birthday and she was 5 weeks before her 15th birthday.  In Oregon that is sexual abuse - sex with an underage minor.  He was a senior and she was a freshman at his high school.  He used a condom...no pregnancy or STD's like he was taught in school.  We taught him no sex before marriage but he chose to ignore that and do what he learned in school....use a condom.  He now has 3 years of probation and has to register as a sex offender for at least the next 13 years at which time he can petition to be removed from registering if the court agrees.  If the court doesn't agree he has to register for the rest of his life. 
The young lady had been having sex since she was 12.  She told a counselor about having sex with my son and by law the counselor had to report it to the police.  We need to teach our teens that there are more consequences than pregnancy and STD's.  Condoms do NOT prevent all consequences.
so you are blaming your sons school for his stupid decision?? So with the sex education we should be teaching that even though you use a condom you should not have sex with your 14 year old girlfriend?? COME ON!!  Face it, it was your fault your son got in trouble, not the schools.  It was your fault for letting your 18 year old son to be with a 14 year old girl when you knew the possibility and intentions of that relationship.  The school should not remind 18 year olds not to have sex with 14 year olds that should be common sense!! I know your son knew the laws and he just figured he'd get away with it.  He knew that even though he put on a condom that he could get in trouble for having sex with her.  Just because your son made a stupid decision it doesn't mean you should take away easily accessible protection from pregnancy and STD's.
 
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October 9, 2005, 11:49 am PDT

shelly---attention please!!

Shelly I have seen you respond SEVERAL times stating you didn't say that women should breastfed in the washroom. Please explain this quote DIRECTLY taken from the Dr. Phil website(taken from "see what happened on the show): 

  

“It’s not appropriate to nurse in public. It’s not attractive. For people like me who don’t have kids, we don’t want to watch it,” says Shelly. “Natural’s got nothing to do with it. It can still be natural in the bathroom or in your car!” 

  

  

Hmmmm......I think I see BATHROOM in that statement!!! Please read it and tell me what you see!!!! 

  

 
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October 9, 2005, 11:49 am PDT

Breastfeeding in public

I am against moms breastfeeding in public if they are not covered up.   If your child is pulling the blanket off, then he/she is probably too old to be breastfed anymore.  It's the same thing as if we get upset when a teenager is wearing just a bathing suit top and her breasts are almost hanging out.  We have enough nudity in TV, films, etc.  Let's get back to being more conservative in our appearance.  We don't have to pull a breast out and just start breastfeeding, we can cover up, then others know what's going on, and they can respect that.  I breastfed my children and when I was out in public, I went to the bathroom to breastfeed, or I would pump my breast beforehand, and feed them the breastmilk in a bottle.
 
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October 9, 2005, 11:50 am PDT

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Thank Goodness people with extreme beliefs are in the minority according to the survey on Dr. Phil: 

  

Do you think it's OK to breast-feed in public?  

57% 26215 It's OK with me, anywhere, anytime.
36% 16406 I don't mind as long as mother's breast and feeding child are covered.
5% 2512 It should be allowed -- but only in a restroom or private area.
0% 374 Breast-feeding should be done only in the home.
Total: 45507  

  

  

Shelly that's 93% of people that feel that breastfeeding in public is okay.....Which makes me, as a breastfeeding mom feel better about the general population.  

 
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October 9, 2005, 11:50 am PDT

Breast feeding in public

I am a RN who work in a postpartum unit in the hospital, as well as a mother who breast fed my second child. Part of my job in the hospital is assistance with breast feedng.I am a strong supporter of breast feeding, but it is a personal choice to do this. I see nothing wrong with breast feeding in public. I did so myself, but was always discreet for my comfort as well as others. I feel that it is wrong for others to prevent a mother from breastfeeding her baby in public. This is her choice and right! I always was discreet about it, because there is always someone out there who is  uncomfortable with it, or  has his head in the gutter who might make you uncomfortable. Breast feeding is natural and that is what a woman's breast were made for. This world is hard enough. Give the breast feeding mothers out there a break, and focus on something else, like world peace!
 
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October 9, 2005, 11:50 am PDT

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 You know, I totally understand where you are coming from, and I do agree that discretion must be used.. I really do. But, I give up. You refuse to even consider a breastfeeding mothers' point of view, or to be courteous of her and her child.  When I breastfed my daughter, I was very aware of what people thought, and was courteous and respectful, and was very discrete with I fed my daughter. 

But that is all I am saying. We agree then. See, it is all good! :)
 
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October 9, 2005, 11:52 am PDT

Women should coverup when breastfeeding!!!

 I grow up in a different culture. WHen you breastfeed your child you should be coverup. Know one whats to see a breast in their faces when eating out in a public place. I wonder would she like to see a man with his man part it's his right to urinate but he cover it up. she should be a shame.
 
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October 9, 2005, 11:54 am PDT

I think that both debater participants were rather offbase

1. If you don't play the game, you can't make the rules. If you are not a mother, than why do you care so much?  It doesn't affect your life in anyway. It isn't violating any noise ordinances or polluting the area so just turn your head or go away. Nothing annoys me more than being stared at (when NO skin is showing) because someone doesn't know the difference between a sex act and a food source. Get a hobby, seriously.

2. I do maintain modesty and I am 'discreet'. The problem with this is that one persons interpretation of discreet may be extremely different than mine. When my son nursed, no one could tell unless they were staring at my chest for a prolonged period of time. I find that lecherous even if I am not nursing. Of course I would find if they were staring at my feet for 10-12 minutes rather disturbing too.

The 'anti' NIP was talking about how it shouldn't be allowed because it isn't "attractive". Good thing I am not nursing for my big break as a fashion model.

The 'pro' NIP was saying she didn't care as a reactionary statement because she gets so many negative looks, so she had to stop letting it bother her.


When I nurse in public, I am not doing to make anyone feel weird or uncomfortable or anything of the sort. I am feeding my baby. I don't feel like I should have to run off into some dark corner to do this. I don't cover my baby or my breast with a blanket but I do try to keep it as simple as possible. Perhaps if the breast wasn't so overly sexualized in this country it wouldn't be such a 'weird' thing.

I honestly didn't read about the other debates.


 
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October 9, 2005, 11:56 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

I myself did not breastfeed my three children due to health issues on my part, but would have liked to for the benefits they would have received.  My sister did however breastfeed all of her children and in public.  My husband half the time did not know she was doing it due to the fact that she was discrete.  I don't mind it.  It's a natural thing to do.  Before the invention of the bottle and formula that's all women.  The problem I have with it is the fact that some of these nursing mothers do however "put it in your face" and expose the whole breast.  I don't feel it's appropriate to ask a nursing mother to go someplace else i.e. their car or the restroom.  How would you feel to be asked to feed your child or yourself in the restroom due to the fact that somebody doesn't like how or what you eat?  Leave nursing mothers alone, let them feed their children. 
 
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October 9, 2005, 11:57 am PDT

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I agree... DR. Phil did seem asleep.  I kept thinking, who is this man and where did he hide Dr. Phil.  And by the way, the Lord did create our bodies, our breasts, and the function of breastfeeding!  Nothing wrong with pointing that out! 

  

Dr. Phil........are you out there?  Will you return again for the next show? 

Thank goodness he didn't. I would have smacked him. It is the DR. Phil, not the PREACHER Phil Christian happy hour. Please do not impose your thought and beliefs on the rest of the world. He was right for not doing that.
 
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