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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 9, 2005, 3:41 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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Sorry, but walking around and nursing is not a very easy task, yes it can be done, but the child gets heavy after 15 to 30mins and unlike just carrying them you can't just change positions to get relief.  No I would not change my child on the table, I would take them to the rest room where everyone else goes to relieve themself, cause thats what the restroom is for, not for eating!  

  

Now if I did go to the restroom and nurse my child while walking around in the large area and you or anyone who did not find breastfeeding attractive walked in, would you then expect me to run to a stall? Or does your view of a nursing mother change? Are you wanting us to go to a private area for your benifit or others that you 'think' might be offended? You know the restroom is still a public place, the only private spot is in the stall and well you yourself said that noone was requiring us to go to the stall. 

  

As for singing to my child in the restroom, I'm not a very good singer and I am more than willing to admit that, I might offend someone trying to take a dump. 

  

  

Well if your smart enough (breastfed baby) then you should be able to walk around, nurse and chew gum at the same time!  It is not brain surgery!
 
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October 9, 2005, 3:43 pm PDT

I had the same problem, kind of

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I was never able to pump enough milk for either of my babies to make a whole feeding.  Babies are able to extract much more milk than a pump, at least until the milk supply is solidly established. 

  

I had a great deal of trouble bfing my first and quit after just 2 weeks, and it was in large part because the hospital nurses gave him a bottle or two in the hospital because they thought I needed the rest (even though I explicitly told them no bottles or pacifiers -- they also talked me into giving pacifiers within a couple of days of his birth).  Therefore, I was NOT going to do anything to interfere with bfing my second.  THere was no way I was going to give her a bottle.  It worked well, and I am still bfing her 3 years later (*gasp!*) and am a LLL leader.  I would never tell a mom who is trying to make nursing work to use EBM in public, because it might undermine their ability to bf.  It is *not* compromise for anything but the mom's milk supply. 

With my first the nurses gave him a bottle to 'see' if her could suck and swallow? Geeze what an idiot, anyhow he had such a problem latching on after that. He finally got the hang of it, but things were so much easier with the others 'that never received bottles' 

  

Also, pumping would take forever for me to get just 2 oz!! 

  

BTW: Congrats on the successful nursing of your 2nd child that is awesome!! Oh and I just took training to be a breastfeeding peer counsoler:)  

 
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October 9, 2005, 3:43 pm PDT

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Dr. Phil-- 

Some people are still offended --or find it unattractive--to watch an interracial couple have dinner. Should they take their meal to the bathroom--if it offends the sensibilities of small minded or bigoted peopel? I think not. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 3:44 pm PDT

I can't use a breast pump....

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Why don't these women that insist on pulling out the breast in public, use a breast pump? I find it very offensive to try and eat dinner while a child is making a sucking noise on a woman's breast! Talk about disgusting!! Yuk!!  That makes me very uncomfortable and frankly it makes me sick. Ladies, pump your milk out and carry a bottle. Why do you insist on breast to mouth contact in public? Please don't be so selfish by putting your child's needs in front of other people. 

 

 You do not have to breast feed in public, that is a choice.  

....so, no, breastfeeding in public isn't a choice. Not all women can use a breast pump, and it's rather ignorant for you to say that. And really, I can't hear my baby making sucking noises, and I'm closer to her than anyone while she's being fed. Plus, I will always put my daughter's needs above that of a stranger. A stranger can take care of themselves, my 6 week old daughter cannot. What's so selfish about that?
 

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October 9, 2005, 3:46 pm PDT

Oh, please!!

Why don't these women that insist on pulling out the breast in public, use a breast pump? I find it very offensive to try and eat dinner while a child is making a sucking noise on a woman's breast! Talk about disgusting!! Yuk!!  That makes me very uncomfortable and frankly it makes me sick. Ladies, pump your milk out and carry a bottle. Why do you insist on breast to mouth contact in public? Please don't be so selfish by putting your child's needs in front of other people.  

  

 You do not have to breast feed in public, that is a choice.  

 

 

 

***You are OBVIOUSLY trying to pick a fight...and are OBVIOUSLY NOT a mother.  Pumping was extremely difficult for me, as I'm sure it is for many other moms.  If you can hear a baby nursing at a restaurant, you're either (a) too close to their table or (b) way too nosy.  

 
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October 9, 2005, 3:49 pm PDT

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Why don't these women that insist on pulling out the breast in public, use a breast pump? I find it very offensive to try and eat dinner while a child is making a sucking noise on a woman's breast! Talk about disgusting!! Yuk!!  That makes me very uncomfortable and frankly it makes me sick. Ladies, pump your milk out and carry a bottle. Why do you insist on breast to mouth contact in public? Please don't be so selfish by putting your child's needs in front of other people. 

 

 You do not have to breast feed in public, that is a choice.  

I think many, many people here have responded to *why* some women can't or won't use a breast pump.  They are expensive, some babies won't take milk from artificial nipples, pumping is difficult, some women can't pump very much milk at all. 

  

Yes, my child's needs will always come before adults -- they are *children*.  Adults need to act like adults.  My child's need to eat comes before your need to feel okay with what I'm doing to care for my child.   

  

Why is it selfish of me to feed my child and not selfish of you to ask me to put your needs ahead of my own child's?  A good mama is always going to put her children first.  She is there to care for her *children*, not for you.  You have your own mama to do that. 

  

And darn right it's a choice -- the best one! 

 
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October 9, 2005, 3:51 pm PDT

I totally agree

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I APPRECIATED YOUR LETTER EXPLAINING ABOUT PUMPING.  BECAUSE I COULDN'T NURSE I DIDN'T KNOW ALL OF THE SITUATIONS THAT CAN COME UP.  I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD JUST BE MORE PRIVATE ABOUT BREASTFEEDING IN PUBLIC.  SOUNDS LIKE YOU MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT AND THAT IS ADMIRABLE.  THE PAST DAYS HAVE BEEN INTERESTING AND I HAVE EVEN CHANGED MY VIEWS SOMEWHAT.  MY FIRST POST CLAIMED I DIDN'T AGREE WITH NURSING IN PUBLIC BUT I THINK NOW IT WOULD SEEM MORE COMFORTABLE TO ME AFTER READING ABOUT ALL THE THINGS INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.  KEY FOR ME WOULD BE AT LEAST SEEING THAT A MOM IS TRYING TO BE DISCREET EVEN IF THE ATTEMPT ISN'T SUCCESSFUL SINCE SOME BABIES DON'T LIKE TO BE COVERED.  MY TURNOFF WAS THE B/F MOM ON THE SHOW THAT PRETTY MUCH LEFT THE VIEWERS THINKING SHE DIDN'T GIVE A DARN WHAT ANYONE SAW OR THOUGHT OR FELT.  LIKE WE NEED MORE OF THAT ATTITUDE IN THIS WORLD.  SEVERAL POSTS WERE VERY EDUCATING FOR ME AND I APPRECIATE IT.  ENJOY YOUR CHILDREN!!
I did find the b/f mother on the show to be way too intense! I mean to say she was not even willing to try and cover up?! I didn't agree with alot of her comments. I think both ladies were to the extreme of both sides of the issue?
 
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October 9, 2005, 3:52 pm PDT

oh, and one more thing...

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Why don't these women that insist on pulling out the breast in public, use a breast pump? I find it very offensive to try and eat dinner while a child is making a sucking noise on a woman's breast! Talk about disgusting!! Yuk!!  That makes me very uncomfortable and frankly it makes me sick. Ladies, pump your milk out and carry a bottle. Why do you insist on breast to mouth contact in public? Please don't be so selfish by putting your child's needs in front of other people. 

 

 You do not have to breast feed in public, that is a choice.  

...quit staring...it's RUDE!
 
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October 9, 2005, 3:55 pm PDT

Keep it out of my face!

I breast fed both of my son and I never never never did it without covering up.  I am amazed by these inconsiderate women that don't cover up.  The world does not revolve around your particular phase of life.  I'm an empty nester and don't want to see your kid sucking it up.  Especially in a nice restaurant where a child has no right to be in.  I pay good money to eat in a nice restaurant and I don't want it spoiled by a screaming kid.
 
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October 9, 2005, 3:58 pm PDT

Ladylike????

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In my opinion, I do not think women should breastfeed in public. That is not ladylike at all. If you need to do that, go find a restroom or someplace where you can have privacy. Now about the sex education, schools should not give out condoms. That is a big NO NO! Leave anything personal and private to the parents, not the teachers. Its the parents job to tell their children about sex and other things too.

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God invented breastfeeding.  God created women.  God helps us creat kids.  

  

Try MOTHERLIKE.  We are morally and legally required to feed our children.  It's part of motherhood.    

  

If you don't want to see a breastfeeding mother, please feel free to take your dinner to the restroom and finish up in there.  I'm sure your waitress will bring you a doggy box if your plate is too hard to hold. 

 
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