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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 8:03 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: laurachev

I have two children ages 5 and 1. I breastfed both for about 1 year. Breastfeeding in public is a necessity. Especially with my second one. He feed every 1.5 to 2 hours (both were low birth weight). I literly could not get to and from the grocery store in between feedings. He never would take a bottle. While he does not like his head covered (he would squirm and pull at the blanket creating more of a scene and often exposing me); I wore nursing shirts and exposed as little as possible.  

  

Eating in the bathroom (public or private) is gross, weither you are a baby or an adult. 

  

One thing I haven't seen commented on is the fact that a mother's body will physically react when a baby cries. It is very hard to ingnor a baby's cry when you milk lets down and you are leaking through your shirt. Mother's are hard wired to respond when their baby cries. 

  

Mother have the right to feed their babies, but need to be resposible about how they go about it. 

Oh my goodness! I had forgotten about that.  I could run to a store just for a quick break from my newborn - think about her and BOOM!  My body would react and the milk would start to leak - my shirt would get wet because my breast pads would get full before I could get to my baby. 

  

Or I remember once I was standing in a line at Meijers after my third baby...and someone else's baby started to cry.  And my breasts got hard, then started to leak.  I laughingly asked my companion if she thought the mom of that baby would let me feed him. (I was kidding!) I was HURTING!  And nothing stops that uncomfortable feeling except to feed your baby. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:03 am PDT

thoughts on all of todays subject.

1.  If a woman is breastfeeding in a restaurant and doesn't want her child to eat in the bathroom....if you have a problem with it, ask them to move your table to the bathroom if you think it's so enjoyable to eat in there.  I had three kids breastfeed and 9 times out of 10, you couldn't tell they were even doing it in public.  People need to get a grip when they think it is possbile to go somewhere else and do it.  Bathrooms are not sanitary, cars are not comfortable if it's hot or cold, etc. 

2.  My daughter wanted to get birth control pills in case she decided to start having sex.  I explained to her that it's harder to say no when there is no fear or excuse about not wanting to get pregnant.  She agreed.  She wants to wait until she was married but was afraid that she might give in.  She realized that not having protection available makes it easier to keep her goal. 

3.  How can a pastor ask someone not to bring their children to church.  How insensitive!!! I'd be finding a new church.  What's wrong with the rest of the congregation that they haven't offered to help out.  Have each child sit with a different family.  Offer help instead of isolation. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:04 am PDT

Discipline

For the mother that was on the show and said that there is 3 kids and one of her,  my opinion is that if you cant control your 3 kids then you shouldn't have that many! That is happeneing way to much these days, people have more kids than they can take care of.. I have 4 children of my own and if my girls are acting out and we have to go somewhere I ask a friend or a family member to either go along or if it is something we all dont have to do then I ask thm to keep an eye on the ones that don't need to be there. Its really not that hard to figure out !!! 
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:04 am PDT

Breastfeeding in public

I have no problem with women breastfeeding in public as long as they use discretion.  I confess I had three children and never breastfed any of them.  However, I have to question whether a woman is an exhibitionist when she flops out her breast and proceeds to feed her child without showing some modesty.
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:05 am PDT

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Quote From: luckyducky

I'll tell you what.  I breastfed my first child for 16 months and I'm currently breastfeeding my 7 month old.  I've been there and done that with nursing in public.  When my child is hungry, I'm going to feed her, whether it be in a restaurant (where everyone else eats), a mall, a park, church or anywhere else that a baby may be hungry.  Frankly, it's no one's business but mine what I feed my baby or where I feed her.  Just like I don't condone formula fed babies and where they're fed, they shouldn't condone my decision.  

  

Instead of being so hostile and thinking that we're exposing ourselves, shouldn't you (collective you), be more offending by the teenagers baring belly shirts, boys with their pants hanging down and some of the other nastiness that comes from what our teenagers are wearing.   30 states protect breastfeeding mothers and it's a shame there aren't more and that we actually need a law to protect us. 

I just wanted to respond to your last sentence. We don't really need a law to protect us. Even in the states that haven't passed a law, there is no law against nursing in public. The Supreme Court has upheld that it is unconstitutional for a state to impose feeding restrictions of any kind on breastfeeding. It is the MOTHER's choice how she chooses to breastfeed. 

Some women think they have to cover up, some women want to cover up, some women only do it in private. I personally do it anywhere and everywhere and I have only had to deal with 1 time when I felt I was offending someone, and one time when someone asked me "if I would be more comfortable in the dressing room" to which I said, "No, I'm good here, thanks." 

I don't try to flash people but I do think it is impossible to get the baby latched on under a blanket. For those of you who have a problem with it, why don't you stop whining and do something better with your time. Because I am not on this board to try and solve the debate, I am here mainly to inform all of you looney tunes that what you are doing if you try to oppress women is wrong. This is EXACTLY like segregation. I refuse to go to a separate BFing area just to give my son his comfort or his snack or a meal. 

Philadelphia passed a law making it illegal to try to force any sort of segregation on BFing moms, and the Congress is currently looking at adding nursing moms to the Civil Rights Amendment as a protected class.  

It is sad that there are people who get so mad about it. Why don't you do something more productive with your time and go help all those teen moms you keep talking about. 

I think it is highly ironic that some of the people on this board don't condone public nursing, but they think condoms in school are fine. I personally think condoms are ok in schools if they are made available, but not necessarily handed out, but I just don't see how that is consistent with trying to oppress women in the form of making them feel like breastfeeding isn't the normal way to feed a baby. 

If you don't have a problem with women feeding their babies a bottle but you do with breastfeeding, personally I think that is sinful. Especially considering breastfeeding is healthy and formula is sub-par, tastes like crap, causes babies to spit up, leads to more sick babies, hurts babies in the long run, etc. etc. etc.. 

By the way you will be seeing more BFing moms in public as they get used to the idea of their freedom, more often, because their babies won't be at home sick or in the hospital really very much at all, and they will be free to go out all the time! But you will probably still see more bottles because sadly, formula marketers have done such a good job and taken over our country. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:05 am PDT

Breastfeeding in Public and Parenting

I am a mom to 3 children who have all been breastfed. Honestly the woman who was against nursing in public showed more of her breasts while on the show then I have done nursing my children. Her comment about wiping your breast on the toilet before feeding your baby showed her ignorance. How about having her eat her dinner in a stinking restroom? Defication, urination and eating shouldn't be happening all in one confined space. I've seen people with more skin showing just walking around in public. Should it be my right to choose their clothing because I find it offensive? Not in a million. Breasts are for feeding babies. God intended for us to nourish our children that way. You can do so discreetly in public and most people won't even notice what you're doing. If you're staring that hard then you have boundary issues of your own.  

  

The woman with 3 children shouldn't be expected to take her kids one by one to church. She does need to set some limits and learn some discipline techniques so that she isn't so overwhelmed. I get the same dirty looks when I try to reprimand our children in public. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.  

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:05 am PDT

Child Feeding in Public

I have one son and for whatever reason, I did not breastfeed.  But my sister, a new mother, does breastfeed her son and she is a lady in every way about it.  I believe that many of the 'women' these days that have an attitude about a mother providing the best nutrition for their child are showing jealousy in there disgust.  Yes, there is a way of going about the process in a 'lady like' manner but there should be no objection to it no matter what.
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:05 am PDT

condoms in school

  

I am only 23 years old and I had my oldest son when I was 17 years old. I was the high school student in love and I was going to spend the rest of my life with this boy, and yada yada yada. What these students don’t under stand is that it fades very quickly. For me, two years after I had my oldest I found my self pregnant again and going through a divorcé with my high school sweetheart.  I don’t believe that schools should be handing out condoms. I can under stand maybe a sex Ed class but there would have to some boundaries with it. I believe that students need to see the other side of the fence, I under stand that these students are all in to it because it’s something new to them. Like a new car they want to drive it around every where until it gets into a wreck then it’s not so nice to look at any more. I desperately believe that parents now a day need to seriously be more involved in the discussions with their children. My mother had the “talk” with me but it only lasted 10 minutes. Parents should be more up front and too the point about it. My son is only 6 years old and I don’t sugar coat anything with him. And I think that in the long run that will go far with him and my other children. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:06 am PDT

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Quote From: leahlew

I am not opposed to breast feeding. I am not opposed to breast feeding in public, although I would prefer those doing it to go somewhere private. I agree with Dr Phil that breast feeding is a sacred bond but should be done with some modesty in public. Please cover up! I have always felt this way, prior to the issue I will state later.  Modesty is the best policy, this is to ensure that the babies can be fed, and to ensure that it is not as uncomfortable for those you do it in front of. I say this not just because people are uncomfortable with breasts exposed. I want to throw another reason in the mix. We are going through fertility treatments. We have tried for years to no avail except for a miscarriage this past summer. My point being, can the public breast feeders please be sensitive to those of us who want a baby but cannot have one? It is a heart stabbing sight to see it in public so blatant. Please consider the childless. Thanks
This comment STUNS me. I am sorry for your loss, but how does artifcially feeding a baby make your contact with any baby less hurtful? Should we be so sensitive as to not bring our babies into public veiw of those who may be in fertility treatments? Pregnant women should probably stay home, too, for that matter. Let's be sensitive to everyone else's needs, but the breastfeeding child.
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:06 am PDT

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Quote From: twfriday

If you were breastfed until Kindergarten, you have a whole other issue! No one is saying that women shouldn't breastfeed, but they should do it with respect, not this "I Am Mom-I Can Do What I Want!" There are times when a mother is positioned so that the offended party can't turn their heads or cover their ears to stop hearing the slurping and other noises associated with it. And you can't stop other children from watching becuase of the natural curiosity. Pre-fill bottles before going in public. What's so hard about that?? 

 SOME Babies like MINE HATE BOTTLES
AGAIN DON'T LOOK! And we are NOT freaks so STOP TREATING US LIKE WE ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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