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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 8:12 am PDT

Watch out for Perverts

I don't know if anyone has posted this or not (I only read the first 8 pages because I had to go BF my 5-week-old baby) but if you do BF in public, make sure that you do cover yourself up because there are perverts out there that delight in watching you do this natural act.  You never know what some sick perverts would do.....
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:12 am PDT

Go directly to jail

I am going to be blasted for this. I think that parents of kids whose behavior is extreme in public should be arrested for child neglect.

  

 

 

  

 

What is extreme you may ask?

  

 

 

  

 

1.   In a store. Tearing things up. Cursing. Screaming. Hitting their parents.

  

 

           Why?

  

 

If this was an adult they would be arrested.

  

 

 

  

 

Yes I do have kids. Five and Four. At home, it's no holds barred. In public, you will behave. You are doing your child a disservice by allowing them to behave in a manner that is not appropriate.

  

 

No I do not want to discipline your children, thats your job. How ever you see fit. Time out, whuppins, revoking rewards, what ever.

  

 

 

  

 

We should teach our children that there is a time and place for everything and they should be respectful of others.

  

 

 

  

 

Even though I do not want to discipline your child I will redirect them.

  

 

 

  

 

2.   If your child is kicking my chair I will politely ask them to stop. If this continues I will speak to the parent.

  

 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:13 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: luv23girls

Okay, how long is too long to breastfeed? I breastfed 2 of my 3 girls and did remove myself from public when doing so or brought a bottle of pumped breast milk. I breastfed until they were almost 6 months as I just stopped producing milk. I agree that there should be a time to stop breastfeeding as the pediatricians always tell you that you need to stop giving your baby a bottle at a certain time and should introduce a sippy cup. Can you pump the milk for your 18 month old and put it in a cup? I would like to hear more on this subject. A friend of mine breasfed until her son was 18 months and complained about his bitting. I was a little taken-aback and did not know how to respond but thought, why not pump your milk into a cup. She simply said "he just likes to nurse".  Thanks for listening.
I believe in extended nursing, but at a certain point no longer nursed my children in public. When they got to a certain age they could have juice, milk or water in a cup when we were out in public.
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:13 am PDT

Breat feeding and condoms

I am expecting a little girl in two months, I also plan to breastfeed her.  However, I am not going to nurse in public because I personally wouldn't be comfortable exposing myself.  It wouldn't bother me if someone else needed to nurse in public, after all it is perfectly natural. 

I do think that making contraception available at school is a very good idea.  My children are small but if / when the time comes I would much rather they use a condom than become pregnant or contract a STD that might kill them. 

If you think for one second a lack of contraception is going to stop premarital sex you really need to get your head out of the sand.  Teen pregnancy is not something that only happens to poor, uneducated, single parent homes.  It affects every income level, and every family structure.  You would be doing your child a tremendous favor by having an open minded discussion about birth control and not being judgemental.  By the way, I am a married lady, an avid church goer, and a registered voter.  Also my family income is $85,000 and I am college educated. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:13 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: care4faces

Every time I would pump I would get mastitis - with an extremely high fever.  So pumping wasn't an option for me.  And I would bet I'm not alone.  Not to mention the design of breast milk in general.  When a baby starts to feed it is thin - like a salad course, it gets thicker and has more fat in it after a short while - like the main course, and then it changes again to even more fat content for the dessert course.  When you pump the three courses gets all mixed up together.  Not that in emergencies it shouldn't be used - because life happens.  Even going to work - there are mothers that NEED to work - so if they can pump its cheaper and much better than man made milks.  But of the 2 - breastfeeding is so much better.

Pumping is great for work if you can do it. Unfortunately some pumps that are out there are bad ones, which are manufactured by formula companies to try and get women to give up and choose formula. I think the Congress is looking at requiring all pumps to meet certain standards. I've never had mastitis but I have friends who have, and my mom did, and the best thing to do is not give up and keep nursing, in addition to the relief measures and the antibiotics. If you don't keep nursing because of mastitis you will probably get it more than once as you are drying up. But fequent nursing will help you keep from getting mastitis. 

  

Women who work should pump at work and nurse at home - I agree! 

  

Formula is expensive, not healthy, and you have to wonder what else gets in there in the factories. Sometimes they make mistakes and add way too much of powder x or vitamin y, and I believe formulas have had to issue massive recalls over 27 times. I think one time they accidentally mixed in something that was supposed to go into an adult energy drink and it was at toxic levels for babies. 

  

Breast milk has never been recalled! 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:14 am PDT

breastfeeding is a very special bonding

 God put breast on women for the very purpose of feeding there children.  I get very angy when people say negitive things about breastfeeding.  IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE SIGHT OF IT DON"T LOOK!!!!!!!!  Simple thing to do.  In some states it is against the law to approach a breastfeeding mother and say anything to her.  It should be that way everywhere.  I also want people to think about what they do before bottles ever were around.  And breastfed babies do not get as sick as bottle fed babies.  I have 5 children and I breastfed 3 of them and I wish I would have breast fed all of them.  I wouldn't have bottled fed if I had known how fullfilling it was and how it brought the baby and I closer together.
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:15 am PDT

disappointed about abstinence discussion

I was totally disappointed that all that was brought up for the stand on abstinence was HIV and the prevention of pregnancy. I am a school social worker and have 3 eighth grade girls that have HPV and according to 2 of them they used condoms. They did not realize that HPV is from contact regardless if you used a condom. Unfortunately, their parents were not even aware of HPV.  Two of them did not realize that HPV could cause cervical cancer. The health of these young girls is equally as important as preventing  an unwanted pregnancy. 

  

was also disappointed that you did not bring up the lack of emotional intelligence of these young people and what deep psychological scars that these early intimate relationships can have on our youth. Abstinence is the most effective way to optimize adolescent sexual health both physically, mentally and emotionally.  

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:15 am PDT

abstinence can work!

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Oh  my god! Just becuase this lady's daughter didn't have sex in school doesn't mean other children don't or won't! I didn't in high school but I am all for condoms in schools! And where did she get her statistics???? Condoms are 85% effective??? God, I  hope not or alot of us would have been in a different place than we are now.  One of the main reasons why I think it works is that I am from a very tiny rural town originally and everyone knows that in a small town, people talk.  No one wanted to go to a store and buy condoms where some clerk would tell someone who would tell someone who would tell their grandma little Johnny's having sex.  So instead, people just don't use them!  

  

Now she's talking about Uganda! Please!!!!!!!!!!! The reason why girls and boys want to have sex in the US, look at MTV, look at magazines.  It's cool and popular to dress slutty and have sex with different guys!  

  

Abstinence is one of those things that looks good on paper and in theory, but do you really think when a teenager is lying in the backseat of a car about to do the deed, they will suddenly stop, think that Mom told them to abstain and that its morally wrong, and then suddenly tell the other person they are with that they changed the mind! In the words of Dr. Phil, "Not gonna happen!". 

Abstinence can work, but not in a vaccume.  I am 45, married @ 20 and was a virgin when I did so.  But you don't abstain by stopping just before the sex act!  You abstain by not dating for recreation.  You abstain by going out in groups and not being alone with members of the opposite sex.  You abstain by having a ...dare I say it?...chaperone when you do go out on a date with someone that you are considering for marriage.  I did it in the late 70's when I dated my husband for 2 years before we got married.  It can be done.  But you can't let your children start dating when they're 12 & 13 and then expect them to choose abstinence.  You can't let your kids go to parties where there is no parental supervision, or sleep overs where you don't know the families or who is going to be there.  It takes alot of work, but it is wll worth it.  I have 3 kids, 17, 19 and 22.  The oldest is married and was a virgin when got married.  It can work. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:16 am PDT

breast feeding

I am 23 years old mother of two. I have to little boys, one is 4 months and the other is 2 years. I have breast fed both of my boys, and I am still breast feeding my youngest. I am one that will wear an extra large shirt to try and give my son some privacy while he is eatting. But when it comes to me feeding my child I will do it "anywhere I am". People try to act like if they haven't seen it before or if they are offended by the site of a baby nursing but they can watch two adults rubbing one another and slobbering each other down.  When you get hungry no one tells you "oh no you can't eat , its not appropriate".  For those individuals out there that feel as though they don't want to see it , you really don't have to watch.  Just because you see that a woman is about to pull out the resources that she uses to feed her child doesn't mean that you have to watch that child nurse. Has anyone stopped to think that you might be making that child uncomfortable by watching him/her? But you want the parent to know that you are uncomfortable watching their child nurse. There is nothing inapropriate about a child that is breast fed. I have seen grown adults that eat in such a way that I feel as though they need never to eat out in public but always at home. I have never seen or heard about a child that has disrupted a dinner table while eatting. But I have seen adults who deem it necessary to get the attention of the person sitting across from them to look at and then start a conversation about the woman who is having dinner/lunch/breakfast with her child. The reason I say it that way is because  if he is eatting and I am eatting then we had a date and we both kept it. I enjoy eatting with my son. As you can tell I am all for women breastfeeding in public and my thoughts will never change.
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:16 am PDT

Better Safe than Sorry

Quote From: coldfeat

Breast feeding in public?  I have no problem with it as long as she doesn't call a lot of attention to herself, which I personally have NEVER seen happen.  If baby's hungry, feed him/her! 

  

Condoms in schools? it's giving tacit permission to kids.  we have NO PROBLEM saying "SAY NO TO DRUGS" , "DON'T SMOKE", "DON'T DRINK!"  Why can't we tell our kids "SAY NO TO SEX"??  the argument "they're going to do it anyway" is not a valid one.  One can also say, "they're going to smoke anyway, do drugs anyway, or they're going to drink alcohol anyway, so let's give them "safe" light cigarettes, clean marijuana, etc., in school."  Give me a break!  why is it ok for our teens to have sex?  oh wait... the abortion industry has to thrive.  they would lose money if our kids didn't have sex.  condoms?  they fail.  a lot.  If you're 13 year old daughter gets pregnant and what do you do?  (I would hope most would place the baby for adoption!) unfortunately, too many will abort, which is why the industry is a multi billion dollar a year business.   

We are lying to our kids and permitting them to make mistakes that will affect them the rest of their lives.  Why can't we tell them the truth instead of sanitizing it and making it a "decision" for them?  We teach them about the bad effects of drugs, but don't tell them "if you should decide to use drugs, especially IV drugs, use a sterile needle."  It's time to be parents and "just say no" to schools handing out condoms and get involved with your school's sex ed program. 

  

I'll say something to a parent if the kid is acting up and the parent is doing nothing. and if a parent still does nothing, I have no qualms about correcting a child, especially if it may be affecting my property or someone elses.  maybe, just maybe, they'll get the message that society won't put up with their bad behavior.  but then again, maybe I'm an optimist. 

No we don't have any problem telling our kids to say no to drugs, drinking or smoking.  And I don't think anyone is saying there is a problem telling kids not to have sex.  We are just making sure that if our kids are going to have sex they are protected.  I remember after one of the Don't Drink and Drive lectures in school...the teachers/SADD *Students Against Destructive Decisions* handed out a contract for parents and teens to sign.  The teens portion stated that if they drank they were to call their parents for a ride home...and the parents portion stated that they would not hassle or give the teens any punishment via the phone or that evening when tempers ran high.  Did this encourage teens to go out and get smashed...probably no more than would have normally.  Did anyone get on a soap box and preach that is was going to give teens the illusion that adults were supporting underage drinking NO.   

I don't think a kid who was going to not have sex until marriage would go out and lay down with the first opprotunity that came along just because they were presented with a condom.  I do feel that a kid who is presented with an opprotunity to have sex is far safer if they have a condom, because likely they may not go and buy one for themselves.   I personally feel if you aren't mature enough to buy a condom because you are too ashamed then you are too immature to have sex.  However I am speaking from adulthood, with more knowledge of actions and their consequences. 

It isn't okay for teens to have sex....but they are....not all of them...and it isn't because we hand out condoms...or we don't talk about abstinence enough.  If one kid having a condom prevents that kid from having a child in high school or getting AIDS at 16 yrs old then it was worth it.  

By saying that the abortion industy needs to thrive and that is why we want our child having condoms is just absurd.  We want to try to prevent teenage pregnancy...not promote it...if we wanted the abortion "industry" to thrive we would kids to go out have lots of sex and leave the condoms at home.  I would not even suggest handing out condoms without a proper sexual education class behind it to instruct the children not only on the proper use of a condom, but the physical, emotional, and pyschological ramifactions of having sex at such a young age.   To say that by handing out condoms in school is supporting the abortion "industry" is just adding controversial fuel to an already controversial fire. 


Personally I wouldnt want the school to give my kids condoms but that is because I myself want to make that option known to my children...and make sure we have open lines of communication and that if they need to talk about something important such as sex..they can come to me..they don't have to seek a neutral third party.  However...maybe when the schools send home forms asking permission to hand out medical attention or for permission to ATTEND the sexual education classes *which at least at my former school they did*  they can add an addedum on the permission slip..a little box:  Do you wish your children to be given condoms at the end of this lesson?  Yes or No. 

  

  

 
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