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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 10, 2005, 6:59 pm PDT

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Quote From: petrosky

There is nothing more beautiful than a lactating breast.  It gives life and it gives love.  Again, don't look at the breast.  I'm sure the saggy, stretch marked mother doesn't want you to anyway.  Perhaps you can spend the time looking into your soul!

If the "saggy, stretch marked mother" doesn't want someone to look then she should cover up! 

  

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Mashall, I'm with ya.  As an aside, and I think a good show topic, have you ever had anyone make rude or otherwise unsolicited comments about having five children?  I have four and have had complete strangers, and relatives, make comments about overpopulation and the need to control the amount of people being born.  I get so furious that I have to walk away for fear of being arrested for assault.  Any anecdotes?  Denise, proud mother of four!
No I can not say I have been talked to like that....I think if I ever did I would be in Prison today. My children are my life and let me tell you something....It is God who is keeping me from being in Prison for some of the things people have said. I think people with thiose kind of remarks have to try to be something they are not. You have 4 children that God blessed yo u with...When some one says to you something in that nature just turn around and say "Hey the rent is due please give me the money..Being you have such an opinion!!!!" That is saying it in a nice way....LMAO....Tell them to also buy the kids the clothes or wants they have.....Good Luck and I hope to talk to you again soon...My e-mail is ....gorda2573@yahoo.com......Mashell
 
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October 10, 2005, 7:12 pm PDT

disciplining other peoples children

I am a 35 year old mother of two girls, both are autistic.   My oldest has Aspergers, she is 6, and my  youngest,she is 5, is a non-verbal autistic with recent emergent speech...mostly when prompted.  I have made it my life's journey to learn as much as I can about autism so that I will be able to understand my children. 

  

 You may not always know the circumstances behind a childs outburst, here is an example: 

  

We were on vacation in N.C. and we decided to go to the mall.  Upon leaving my youngest who was three at the time,throws herself on the floor, started kicking and screaming...it  was the worst temper tantrum ever.  Through all of the work with the therapists and teachers, as well as the conferences...I was taught to step away and totally ignore the behavior.  I did just that.  A man from one of those kiosks came over to me and said " Ya know, if you'd pick her up she'd stop crying!"  I stepped away from him, and not a second later the mall police showed up on their atv with lights flashing.  He asked me to pick her up...he even tried to give me tokens to take her on the merry-go-round.  I tried to explain that she was autistic...he responded with  "what?".  What nobody realized is that I wanted nothing more than to pick her up, console her, tell her how sorry I am that life has delt her a doozy...but that would only have benefitted me.  After a couple of minutes my daughter stopped crying and stood up...I asked her if she was done...she said "done",,.one of her only words at the time.   She took my hand and we walked to the car.  As my husband drove...I cried. 

  

Autism is not visible...therefore my daughter looked like a typical three year old having a tantrum...in reality, yes she was having a tatrum...but it was because she couldn't communicate her needs to me.  I looked like the worst parent in the world...but I was doing what was best for my child.  She doesn't have those outbursts anymore and she is working real hard to speak. 

  

So, to those who walk by and glare, stare, and whisper rude comments just loud enough for parents to hear...shame on you.  You have no idea what the situation might be...so instead of standing in judgement...especially those who don't have children, the next time you see a mother with three kids in chaos you might want to say "Is there any way I can help you?"   

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:13 pm PDT

Please refrain from being childish about this issue...

   I'm probably digging my own hole by stating this fact right off the bat, but here goes: I do not have children, therefore I have never breastfed. That being said, I must comment on how amazed I am at how many people on this message board, (AND the Dr. Phil show), are misconstruing the topic at hand. The arguements of the woman on the "Con" side of this debate (on the show)--and seemingly the arguments of women on the message board here-- are not AGAINST breastfeeding...they are against breastfeeding mothers' blatant disregard for everyone else around them. It is a given that breastfeeding is healthy, wholesome, nourishing, etc...for the baby. However, it is none of those things for anyone else with that image in their line of vision. Why, then, should everyone ELSE have to be the ones to "avert their eyes", "leave", "don't let it bother them", (and everything else that has been said to support your points)? Tell me:  Is it easier for ONE woman to use a tad of discretion when suckling her child in public, or for EVERY OTHER PERSON to somehow change their opinions on what they feel is offensive?  

   The way I see it, there is no hassle involved in tossing a light blanket over your baby and the exposed breast (whether the "baby's head is covering most of it" or not). The other option, as mentioned by a few people in the message boards, is to kindly excuse yourself from the situation and go share that moment of mother-to-child nourishment in private.  

   I have not read a single message post that stated disagreement with the ACT of breastfeeding, so it is shocking to me that this many grown women can read that misinterpretation into the "Con" argument, simply to make the "Pro"'s seem more strong. There is nothing wrong with breastfeeding, (that anyone has mentioned anyway), so why is the debate at hand being twisted around into "people telling mothers not to feed their children"? Come on, now...that statement has NOT been made, and NO ONE is arguing that point, so please don't misread these people's opinions here. (And the person who went as far as to label passer-bys as "perverts"--that comment was both childish and immature, and I hope other people are more realistic in their side of the argument than you are.)  

    

   Without intending to offend, I gather that many people's views of breastfeeding are that it's only "beautiful" to the mother&child at hand. In other words, not a lot of people outside of that union and bond view it the same way as the breastfeeding mother herself.  

   Let's be honest: Breasts are a sexual body part. We're taught from the elementary-school age that when we go through puberty, women get their "boobies" and that "boys may try to touch them one day, but don't let them beacuse it leads to bad things". We're told from a VERY young age that breasts are one of our "private areas". Why, then, are breasts all-of-a-sudden deemed 'okay' for public viewing simply because there's a hungry child waiting in the stroller? That's the point that the people who are "anti-public breastfeeding"....they're not against the act of fulfilling the child's physical needs, they're simply against the blatant display of public indecency.  

  

   So, please put a stop to these ridiculous rants about how the women commenting on this message board are "anti-humanism", or whatever the insults were, and just try to see the point-of-view of anyone outside of your own flesh. All it takes is a bit of caring, respect, and a little tasteful discretion.   

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:21 pm PDT

breastfeeding in public

I have nursed both of my children. My daughter for 11 months and my son for 13 months. Honestly I am not a person who nursed in public a lot but when I did my children and my breast I kept covered because that is how I am comfortable. DO I think nursing mothers should be sent to unsanitary bathrooms NO WAY!  

If your child is hungry you feed them! If your child was crying and you know it is from hunger you feed them. May it be with a bottle or breast........ Your child comes first. If my child was upset and I was not prepared YES I would nurse. I would do my best to cover up but I know first hand babies DO NOT like their little heads covered while  nursing. They swat it off. Honestly if you are not comfortable with a mother who is nursing her baby it is your problem not the mothers who is nurishing her hungry child!  

We have breasts to feed our young! They are not there to please our husbands or be sexy. We have them to feed our children. It is natural and healthy for our children.  

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:25 pm PDT

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Quote From: landofcj

I found out from an Oprah show just how dirty  public bathrooms are.  Do you expect the breastfeeding mother to santitize the bath and then herself before feeding her child?  Why is breastfeeding being compared to a man urinating in public instead of a man going shirtless?  Why is the woman's breast more offensive??  Let women  feed their babies when they are hungry.   If any of you are so sexually disfunct as to be embarressed,  ask the waitress to turn your place so you are facing in a different direction.
Why, then, is it inappropriate and discriminatory to have the breastfeeding mother ask the waitress to turn her place so that SHE may be facing in a different direction?
 
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October 10, 2005, 7:32 pm PDT

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Quote From: mama2liam

gee, what a concept, something coming up in the real world that draws a small child's attention and gives a "teaching moment" to a parent. That never happens with anything else... like, say, a mixed race couple, someone wearing a costume when it's nowhere near the end of October, someone abusing their child in public, and worse.  If you're so concerned about what your kids might be exposed to in public, raise them in a bubble.  
   ....And how much good are all of THOSE things for an un-tainted mind such as a child's?? You're argument's not very solid if you're point is simply that breastfeeding is the "lesser of two evils". Think about it...
 
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October 10, 2005, 7:46 pm PDT

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   ....And how much good are all of THOSE things for an un-tainted mind such as a child's?? You're argument's not very solid if you're point is simply that breastfeeding is the "lesser of two evils". Think about it...

Breastfeeding is the lesser of two evils? Were you using your brain when you typed that? Or maybe you're some fantastic new typing robot who spits out nonsense sentences onto web based message boards?  

That is the most truly stupid thing said on this board. Breastfeeding is anything but evil. I doubt breastfeeding would ever take place in Hell. Breasts are not evil. I can not believe my eyes as I read your post. I think the woman whom you replied to said that when a  child sees a woman feeding her baby and asks, mom, what is that woman doing, it is a "teachable moment" i.e. a time to teach a life lesson. Just because it's not something you chose to do doesn't make it evil. If you had lived a century ago I think you would have realized that breastfeeding is how you feed a baby, but instead for whatever perverted reason you think it is evil to breastfeed. I am honestly searching for a way to express this, but anyone who thinks breastfeeding is evil must actually have a little evil in their heart. Or maybe you're simply a sociopath. I didn't want to get caught up in the debate any more but after reading your post I think I will have to keep reading to see what other outrageous comments have popped up. 

Personally if you can make a statement like this on a public board I don't want to know what you would be willing to do behind closed doors when no one is looking. I wonder if you said this just to get a rise out of people or if you truly believe it is EVIL to breastfeed. I have never heard anyone in my entire life say that, I don't think even a demon would plant that thought in your sick little head. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:49 pm PDT

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Quote From: happyb

Urinating in public is against the law.
Having sex in public is also against the law.

Breastfeeding in public is not only NOT against the law, it's a specifically protected right in many states.

That's how it's different.

I do not see any problem with you excusing yourself to a private place if me lawfully feeding my baby upsets you.

Why should other people have to be the ones to leave whenever a mommy pops her breast into her infant's mouth in a restaraunt, theater, etc.?  If you go someplace like that, then you know your child might get hungry, right? Then why not have a bottle of BREAST MILK prepared for such an occasion, (if formula is really THAT bad of an idea to you)?  

  

Making out in public is not against the law. 

Groping in public is not against the law. 

Spitting tobacco is not against the law. 

                     .....but these things ARE offensive to some people. It's only decent to be conscientious   

                           of the people surrounding you, whatever situation you may find yourself in. (And, so 

                           that I'm not misquoted later, I'm not saying any of these things are exactly like BFing.. 

                           I'm simply trying to get some closed-minded people to actually CARE about what  

                           people -young AND old- have to be subjected to. Even if you deem their opinions as 

                           "archaeic" or "unnatural".)  

People have a right to their own privacy and comfort level, just as YOU do...just don't push the envelope TOO far simply for the sake of making a statement.  

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:50 pm PDT

How about this...

Quote From: kimmie5433

   I'm probably digging my own hole by stating this fact right off the bat, but here goes: I do not have children, therefore I have never breastfed. That being said, I must comment on how amazed I am at how many people on this message board, (AND the Dr. Phil show), are misconstruing the topic at hand. The arguements of the woman on the "Con" side of this debate (on the show)--and seemingly the arguments of women on the message board here-- are not AGAINST breastfeeding...they are against breastfeeding mothers' blatant disregard for everyone else around them. It is a given that breastfeeding is healthy, wholesome, nourishing, etc...for the baby. However, it is none of those things for anyone else with that image in their line of vision. Why, then, should everyone ELSE have to be the ones to "avert their eyes", "leave", "don't let it bother them", (and everything else that has been said to support your points)? Tell me:  Is it easier for ONE woman to use a tad of discretion when suckling her child in public, or for EVERY OTHER PERSON to somehow change their opinions on what they feel is offensive?  

   The way I see it, there is no hassle involved in tossing a light blanket over your baby and the exposed breast (whether the "baby's head is covering most of it" or not). The other option, as mentioned by a few people in the message boards, is to kindly excuse yourself from the situation and go share that moment of mother-to-child nourishment in private.  

   I have not read a single message post that stated disagreement with the ACT of breastfeeding, so it is shocking to me that this many grown women can read that misinterpretation into the "Con" argument, simply to make the "Pro"'s seem more strong. There is nothing wrong with breastfeeding, (that anyone has mentioned anyway), so why is the debate at hand being twisted around into "people telling mothers not to feed their children"? Come on, now...that statement has NOT been made, and NO ONE is arguing that point, so please don't misread these people's opinions here. (And the person who went as far as to label passer-bys as "perverts"--that comment was both childish and immature, and I hope other people are more realistic in their side of the argument than you are.)  

    

   Without intending to offend, I gather that many people's views of breastfeeding are that it's only "beautiful" to the mother&child at hand. In other words, not a lot of people outside of that union and bond view it the same way as the breastfeeding mother herself.  

   Let's be honest: Breasts are a sexual body part. We're taught from the elementary-school age that when we go through puberty, women get their "boobies" and that "boys may try to touch them one day, but don't let them beacuse it leads to bad things". We're told from a VERY young age that breasts are one of our "private areas". Why, then, are breasts all-of-a-sudden deemed 'okay' for public viewing simply because there's a hungry child waiting in the stroller? That's the point that the people who are "anti-public breastfeeding"....they're not against the act of fulfilling the child's physical needs, they're simply against the blatant display of public indecency.  

  

   So, please put a stop to these ridiculous rants about how the women commenting on this message board are "anti-humanism", or whatever the insults were, and just try to see the point-of-view of anyone outside of your own flesh. All it takes is a bit of caring, respect, and a little tasteful discretion.   

When the obese person sitting stuff their face goes and excuses themselves from the table and moves to a private place to eat...so will the breastfeeding mothers.  Let's face it we have no choice but to see things that we might not really want to see but the person has the right.  If somebody who is 400 pounds sit next to me at a restaurant and eats and it bothers me...it's not their place to leave because I may not like it. 

And I am not saying that I have a problem with a 400 pound person eating in public.  It's just an example that there are things in life that some people don't like and if you don't like it...you go away.
 
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