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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 8:29 am PDT

Please breastfeed your babies and educate your children!

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C'mon people..why would someone think it would be acceptable to just let it all hang out?  As a mother of a 4 year old...I do not want to have to explain to him about why a baby is hanging off of a ladys body in the food court of the mall!  Why would it be so hard to move to another table in the corner?  No, I am not a prude.  No, I did not breastfeed..it was my choice.  No, I am not ashamed of the human body...it is just not something that needs to be dealt with....again, as stated during the show...would these women think it would be acceptable for a man to "Whip it out" in public?    or a teacher "whipping it out" to pump during school?  Do you know what we lack as a society?  MORALS!    Breastfeeding has been happening since the beginning of time...why were there not these questions 20 years ago?  HAVE RESPECT FOR YOURSELF AND FOR OTHERS AROUND YOU...WE TEACH THIS TO OUR CHILDREN...MAYBE THESE WOMEN MISSED OUT ON THESE IMPORTANT VALUES.  Thank you.

Why not explain it to your 4 year old son.  WE should teach our children that breastfeeding and in public is okay.  My sons 11 & 3 and daughters 8 & 6 are educated about breastfeeding.  They find it acceptable.  

  

And a man whipping it out in public is not the same as a mother nursing.  Apples and oranges. 

  

I have morals and respect for myself and others and have important values like my baby has the right to be breastfed. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:29 am PDT

Breastfeeding, Condoms, & Shut that kid up!!!!

America has got to be the most puritan nation in the world.  Of course breastfeeding is natural, but so is sex.  Feed your baby in public, but be considerate of others. 

  

Give condoms to the mother of three who self stated, she could handle three. Much less four? Or she should quit feeling so exausted and prideful, and let someone help her out.  I agree with Dr. Phil, stating you shouldnt want the village idiots reprimand your kids, but most of the regular average people are not the villiage idiots!  Have a little common sense. 

  

  

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:30 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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Have these women thought about who might be around while they are exposing themselves to others? A 17 year old girl was missing in virginia , they have found a body they believe may be hers. I know she never expected some nut would hurt her. There are a lot of nuts in this world and i personally would be careful about what i do in public.
 So, what, we should just live in fear and never leave the house over anything because something bad might happen?  Am I missing something here?  Maybe someone will try to kill me because they don't like the car I'm driving or the shirt I'm wearing! 


 
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October 7, 2005, 8:30 am PDT

breast feeding in public

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Would you EAT in a public bathroom?  I think not.  If you don't like it, don't look.  THere is nothing disgusting about it.  But your attitude, now that is completely disgusting.

so your saying its alright for a baby to suck on a breast in public, but havens sake don't let them eat in a  bathroom privately. look there's nothing disgusting about breast feeding but not in a public place for the whole world to see. and whats wrong with a blanket? But like i said earlier this is America and women are free to breast feed in public its their right, I'm just asking for some common curiosity 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:30 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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There are non-electric ways to keep the bottles at 'body temperature'.  I fed from the breast most of the time, and the 20% of the time that I didn't, I did not experience a loss or reduction of milk. I even checked with my doctor and was told that it wouldn't reduce it if you did it regularly.  

There are downsides to public breastfeeding as well--if a mom is tense because others are uncomfortable or other children are pointing, then she is not producing the same amount of milk because of the tense disposition of her body.  

 That is wonderful that you did not experience a loss in milk production, and that it did not impair your nursing relationship.  This is not the case for all women, though--some women do great pumping, and others are just never able to get the same letdown from artificial stimulation as they do from the baby.  A baby will always get more milk out of his or her mother than the pump-even if a mom has good production at the pump.  If it works for you, fantastic-but that's not the case for many women.

Another issue is that for  some women, especially those living paycheck to paycheck, even getting a pump is often not an option.  The pumps that do the best job at helping a mother express her milk in the most efficient amount of  time are double electric pumps, and these run anywhere from $100-$300 dollars depending what kind of deal you can get on them.  At least where I live, WIC (the Women, Infant and Children program) supplies formula to low income women with babies, but will not help them at all with a breast pump or breastfeeding supplies.  My health insurance does not cover breast pumps, which is the case with a majority of health insurance programs (yet many WILL cover stuff for erectile dysfuction-go figure!  Where are our priorities?) 

My point was that if it works for you to never breastfeed outside the home and spend all that time pumping, then great-but don't discourage women who want to give breastfeeding in public a try-it does them a disservice to try to talk them out of it because one doesn't feel it's appropriate for themself!
 

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October 7, 2005, 8:31 am PDT

Breast feeding/ discipline in public / handing out condoms

Breast Feeding in Public 

I think it is perfectly fine to breast feed in public. I did it with my own children 20+ years ago and it does not bother me to see Mothers today breast feeding. I always tried to be modest but every once in awhile something might show. It's the nature of breast feeding and I think if this bothers you so much you should stay home so you won't be offended. The lady on the show kept saying it was not attractive. I did not find her particularly attractive so maybe she should stay home or wears a covering over her head...... 

  

Discipline in Public 

One of my children was a monster in public when he was young and the other was an angel. We did not feel the need to subject the public to my sons bad behavoir so we did not go to restaurants and malls much until he outgrew the bad behavoir. I was not sure if the lady on the show with 3 kids and another on the way had a father in the picture because she acted like it was just her and her kids. If she chooses to have more kids than she can handle alone, then she should not subject others to her kids.  

  

Handing out Condoms 

I do not particularly agree with the waiting for marriage debate about sex. We are asking our young people to put off marriage longer and longer, yet we expect them to remain celibate? I think it is unnatural to ignore your sexuality for ten years before marriage and know some people that are never comfortable with their sexuality after avoiding it for so long. I have no problem with condoms being discreetly available for teenagers. My kids are 17 and 21 and I have given them all the info they need in age appropriate incriments. I want my kids to be healthy in all ways including their sexuality. Interestingly both my kids tend to be pretty conservative. Perhaps when given all the info they are less likely to try the forbidden fruit until they are emotionally ready for the responsibility.  

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:31 am PDT

Breastfeeding

i am breastfeeding as i type this, and i can't imagine life without it.  It is one of lifes most percious and rewarding experiances.  So to have the be a horrible social faux pas is beyond belife. It isnot the same as flashing the public for a peep show, COME ON! there are women who show a heck of alot more wearing short skirts and shorts and skimpy tops. What I am doing is PRODUCTIVE and nessicary for my child to sustain its life! I have been told before i shouldnt do it in public, as a SAHM i hardly get out in public so i am supposed to sit at home all day and night just because people are unable to accept it as a part of life? No one complains when a mother pulls out a bottle to feed her child, and thats UN-NATRUAL. Or when an OBESE person eats a huge greasy burger and fries ,  should they eat that in the bathroom because i think its repulsive? i dont think so.  I have two children that are 18 mons apart and i need to feed my daughter when and where i can, and i cannot have my 2 yr old son running around touching things in a fithy public restroom, That is much more discusting than feeding my daughter in public. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:32 am PDT

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she means those of us who believe in child led weaning, when our kidlets wean themselves. Sometimes around the age of 3 or  4.   

  

  

Hi 

  

I was being a smart a**, with that ? 

  

I have 2 healthy girls ages 9 and 4.  

My oldest breastfed for 3 1/2 years and my 2nd for 2 years. 

  

I just did a speech for a class and it was on breastfeeding. 

  

I left out parts of the quote. Actually it is recommended to breastfeed for the first 12 months and thereon as long as both mutually desire.  

  

Even our GOVERNMENT knows the benefits of extended breastfeeding. 

  

Also- the standard for growth charts and such for babies is based on a breastfed child. THATS a big change.  

  

I had to hear crap from my own mother about my oldest. "you're STILL doing THAT?"......as you can tell, she was not my influence. My aunt was. She was big in the LLL and breastfed my cousin for 5 years, so I had the one person that mattered in my court.  

  

I think everyone that wants to whine and moan about us going in a stall,should eat their own meals on the floor of a nasty public restroom...Better yet, just roll that bottle of formula all on the floor first before you give it to your own babies.  

  

Its bad enough that wome are choosing the lazy way by popping a bottle in. Not to mention all of the health benefits their kids are missing out on. 

The research PROVES it raises an IQ.  

  

Put it this way. There are over 100 ingredients in breast milk NOT found in formula (can't duplicate that) 

  

This post is really directedt all of the women who gripe about not wanting to see a breast. Jeez, what do you think that they are there for?  IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT......DONT LOOK. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. AND QUIT YOUR GRIPING. THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE TO WORRY ABOUT.  

  

THANK GOD BREASTFEEDING IS NOT ONE OF THEM!!!!! 

  

FORMULA IS BASED ON COWS MILK . ARE OUR BABIES COWS????????????  NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

  

PEOPLE, GET A GRIP. 

  

JEN 

a 100% breastfeeder and PROUD of it!~!!!! 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:32 am PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

FRANKLY, I HAVE NEVER WITNESSED A WOMAN 'EXPOSING' HERSELF IN ORDER TO BREASTFEED!  MOST WOMEN ARE DISCREET AND THE BABIES HEAD COVERS THE BREAST.  POSSIBLY FOR THE MOMENT WHILE MOM GETS BABY TO LATCH ON, SOME BREAST IS EXPOSED.  WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE SEX IS SPLASHED IN OUR FACES ON BILLBOARDS, SIDES OF BUSSES, TV, COMPUTERS, MAGAZINES!!!! AND ANOTHER WOMAN CAN'T STOMACH A MOM BREASTFEEDING IN FRONT OF HER? I DIDN'T HEAR ANY MEN GIVING THEIR OPINIONS?  WHAT'S DISGUSTING IS THE THOUGHT OF ME HAVING TO GO INTO A RESTROOM TO FEED MY CHILD.  WHERE SHOULD I SIT? RESTROOMS AREN'T WELCOMING TO BREASTFEEDING MOMS EITHER.  SOME RESTROOMS YOU BARELY APPROACH TO RELIEVE YOURSELF, LET ALONE EAT IN!!!  i HAVE TO TOLERATE SO MUCH, FROM SO MANY PEOPLE, FROM NEIGHBORS DOGS CRAPPING IN MY YARD TO BLASTING MUSIC FROM THE CAR NEXT TO ME..., THE THONG CLAD ON THE BEACH.  I THINK WE, AS A SOCIETY CAN TOLERATE NURSING MOTHERS IN PUBLIC....iT'S NATURAL, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, IT'S WHAT THE BREAST WAS INTENDED FOR!!!!!!!!!
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:33 am PDT

My thoughts .

I'll start with breast feeding. There's nothing unnatural or disgusting about breast feeding. Everyone on the planet either has breasts or has, at one time, encountered them. When I see women breast feeding in public, I think nothing of it. These women are not disturbing me, they are not shoving their breasts in my face or the faces of others, and I can always looks away (just like everyone else can). All these women are doing is feeding their children. They don't get to choose when their children get hungry. Unless the woman is doing something to intentionally disrupt, upset, or hurt the people around her, I see nothing wrong with breast feeding in public. It's just one breast people! Get over it! If you don't want to see it, look away. Those babies have got to eat. 

  

  

On to condoms in schools. Giving out condoms does not promote the idea of sex to adolescents. By junior high school, girls have started their periods and boys have begun to discover girls, it's the beginning of our sexuality, so to speak. By the end of junior high, we're physically ready to reproduce (this day and age in America, we're neither emotionally or mentally ready at that age, but we are physically ready). My point is that you can teach abstinence all you want, but the fact is that kids at that age know about sex because of the messages from their body alone and the sexual feelings they're starting to have. And as if that wasn't reason enough to promote safe sex by giving out condoms, the media practically shoves sex down everyone's throat. It's not just adult themed television either, turn the TV on to any channel and the commercials alone are laden with sex. The media can make any product sexual, and they do. And the media can do that if they wish, but that just supports the fact that kids who are 12, 13, and 14 years old know about sex. The fact is that kids know about sex by junior high, they know what the missionary position is, they know what oral sex is, they know what the G-spot is, so is there any reason to not to give them condoms? It may give a few kids the 'clearance' to have sex, but I'll paraphrase Dr. Phil, I'd rather there be two kids having sex with condoms, then one kid bringing a child into the world that they don't know how to care for. 

 
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