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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 8:59 am PDT

What a Hoot!

      Breast-feeding in public is such a
 complete non-issue in most of the world. Sadly, the American culture has sexualized the breast so completely
and so successfully that we have lost sight of what
 mammary glands are really for. Visit any other part of the
 world and you'll see bare-breasted women who 'wear'
 their babies alongside men who don't give a hoot
 about 'hooters'.One woman on your show claimed she was against it because it was 'unattractive'. Since when is that a criteria for anything? I think bottle feeding is a poor substitute for the real thing. The American Academy of Pediatrics says so too! However, I can't stop women from using bottles in public. I think it's time for lactating mothers and their babies across the country to take back their breasts! The current nurse-in's at Starbuck's are raising awareness of this issue, but how about making a statement at businesses that cultivate and thrive on the sexualization of the breast? Think of all the places! For a grand finale, organize a nurse-in at "that" restaurant. Now wouldn't that be a hoot?!

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:59 am PDT

Breastfeeding in Public....here's my 2-sense

I am 22-years-old, and a new mother of a 4-month-old baby girl. Watching the show disturbed me today. Where should I begin? 

 

I have to respond to several comments the woman opposing breastfeeding in public made. 

Here's where I stand.......needless to say, I breastfeed. Do I breastfeed in public...no, not necessarily. I usually go to the bathroom. If I had to B.I.P.  I, personally, would cover up. That's my preference. However, should I have to...absolutely not. If one day, I have nothing to cover with....too bad...for everyone else, but my baby. She has to eat. How selfish is it for everyone to deny babies this natural, urgent right. It's pathetic. If I'm at the beach, my car isn't always accessible, neither is a restroom...so my baby should starve? How insane. As the woman argued on the show...how would you like to eat your food in the bathroom...everytime you have to eat...."excuse me, I need to go to the bathroom to chow down." I'm going to see you eat, and say...."oh my gosh, your mouth is open, can you leave?" How stupid! A baby has to eat!!!!!! They can't control where they are! Someone on the show commented on the mother exposing the breast in preparation for the feed. To be honest, sometimes that's necessary. If my baby is enraged, it's not easy to properly remove my shirt and bring her in effectively. 

About the comment on it being not as beautiful to everyone else, just to mommies and babies....it's not about being beautiful. No one's thinking, because this is so beautiful, let's show everyone my stuff. Trust me, they are just thinking about taking care of their babies needs in a timely fashion. 

It is absolutely no comparison what-so-ever to a man eating food off of a woman's breast. She literallysaid, "I hope it's not  sexual thing," but made the comparison to something directly sexual....how foolish! 

About the portable comment....we breastfeeding mom's can go to the bathroom....well she seemed to forget....she is just as portable, perhaps even more....all she has to move is herself alone. Along with lookin the other way, as she would in any other circumstance, she could just as easily, move to a different table. Why should I have to leave? 

I have my personal discretions....howver, if I'm uncomfortable with someone breastfeeding around me....too bad... for me, they're babies' needs come way before my comfort, no matter how awkward it makes me feel!  It seems, though, that you have to be a mother to really understand the concept....forgive me to whoever this doesn't apply to. Now excuse me while I go breastfeed!
 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:02 am PDT

unfortunately

I believe women have every right to BF in public.  Unfortunately, we have those who make extreme statements such as "pop the boob" making it sound like they should be able to bare ALL for others to see. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:02 am PDT

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Quote From: sanzan

This is probably a separate issue,  but  does tie in with the breast feeding debate.  I honestly don't mind women feeding their babies in public.  But when women breast feed children, I have a problem with that.  If the child is considered to be a toddler and the legs are hanging off of the womans lap, that child is too old to feed in public and is actually old enough for real food.  That child should be sitting at the table with a spoon.  I find that highly upsetting and somewhat gross.

My son was nursing with his legs hanging off of me months ago. He is now 15 months, and I still nurse him in public all the time. He also has 13 teeth or more. He is not only old enough for "real food," he has been getting REAL FOOD since before he was born. You make yourself seem really silly by saying a child past a certain length is too old to nurse and is disturbing to you. Is this because you think children past a certain age will develop a sick love of boobies or something? Personally I nursed until I was 2 and a half and my sister, until she was almost 4. My brother is less comfortable with me nursing in front of him, but I do it anyway. He was bottle fed. He is the oldest and my mom didn't breastfeed him because her doctor gave her a dry up shot in the hospital on the off chance that my mom might go back to work. He is also the only one in my family who has any sort of problem with public nursing, and his wife always only fed her baby at home, and the baby was crying a lot but she still wouldn't feed her in public unless it was a bottle. 

I admit before my son was born I had a lot of ideas about how I would use a cover or not nurse in front of people, but once you get used to it it's really no big deal. It takes about half a second to latch the baby on and after that the only skin you see is about what you would see if I bent over while wearing a normal top and you happened to be peering down my shirt. Usually my shirt is tucked around everything and you can't see anything, but I personally think it's ignorant for you to say I shouldn't feed my son because he surpasses your age or length threshold. Should I go around in the restaurant and ask permission from every single person before feeding my crying squirming kid?Should I hold a commitee meeting to watch me do it and make sure I'm doing it modestly enough? 

It's all so ridiculous. Some people say, just cover up, or just don't latch on in plain sight or just go in the bathroom or just go to your car or just go home. I would rather just go ahead and feed my hungry kid and eat my meal while it's hot, thank you! 

  

 

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October 7, 2005, 9:06 am PDT

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Some of you moms are overreacting...No one is asking you to let your "poor innocent child STARVE"--No one is suggesting Neglecting a child for the Public Good until you can get to a car. And no, I don't think you should go to the bathroom, that is nasty. But use a blanket, wear a shirt that you can unbutton, not pull up and show all of your breast and belly and such.  There are simple ways to remedy this and feed the baby.

I totally agree with you on this one. No one is telling breastfeeding moms to starve their children. I think we can agree on that these women on today's show were a bit extreme. We need a middleground here. It isn't as black & white as these ladies think.  Breastfeeding may be "unattractive" to some but so can other things in life. Everyone can find something or some action they find unattractive but breastfeeding, in my opinion is one of the most beautiful and wonderful experiences I've had. I breastfed 2 of my children but I was discreet about it. I feel that breastfeeding is between a mother and a child. I used to breastfeed my children in the privacy of my home or, if I was out, in my car or a bathroom.  It is not glamorous to breadfeed a baby in a bathroom stall but it did not, in any way, take away the bonding moments we shared or made it less beautiful for me....only more uncomfortable!  

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:07 am PDT

Oh that is so funny!

I've posted once but must post again. 

  

I want to address all of you who are saying "BF is fine, as long as a mother doesn't flaunt her breast"... 

  

As a mother of a wiggly baby, I don't think I would have time to stand up and attach a flashy dangler from my breast and wiggle it around in circles for everyone to look at.  Nor would I have Justin Timberlake pull off part of my wardrobe while I was dancing in front of millions of people. 

  

Besides that, if you find a mother who is desperately trying to sooth or feed her crying infant or toddler holding her breast to try and assist it into their childs mouth as milk is dripping to boot FLAUTING or some how SEXY then I honestly think you are a sick sick person. 

  

How can you say you care about children if you care so badly they are being fed?  Looking across a restaraunt at a mother nursing her child... if that's all it takes to ruin your day, or offend you, then you are extremely uneducated.  What better place for a child to eat and feel comfortable than at a table with family and friends.   

  

I'd like to tell any breastfeeding mamma--way to go!  Don't let anyone push you around.  Keep up the good work, your baby is so blessed, so so blessed.   

  

**And about schools passing out condoms**  I do know a good handful of kids when I was in h/s that did not have sex because they were too embarrassed to go buy them at the store.  The other kids that did have sex, did so with out protection.  I think it's NOT the schools job to worry about it, but a parents.  But if it came to a school passing out condoms, then with the child PRESENT, have the administrater call the mother AND father, or each guardian on the call list/contact list and say, "Hi, mr and mrs brown, I have Suzy here, and she is requesting 6 condoms, so we would like to clear that with you and if you could please come down and sign this waiver that states you understand your child may be participating in premarital sexual intercourse, and that we are not responsible for her partner raping her, or any pregnancies or std's that occur if the condom is not used properly et cetera."     Ya, I'm quite certain my parents would not be signing that waiver. 

 
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Quote From: therapistt

You are putting a SEXUAL twist on breastfeeding?!?!? Give me a break!!!! It is absolutely unfair and ridiculous to discuss the breast as a sexual body part when talking about its designed intention to supply nutrition to a child.
 What the hell are you talking about?????? There is NOTHING Sexual in her post!!!!!!!!!! GOOD GRIEF!
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:09 am PDT

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Quote From: titan13790

so your saying its alright for a baby to suck on a breast in public, but havens sake don't let them eat in a  bathroom privately. look there's nothing disgusting about breast feeding but not in a public place for the whole world to see. and whats wrong with a blanket? But like i said earlier this is America and women are free to breast feed in public its their right, I'm just asking for some common curiosity 

 UMMMMMM YES IT IS OK FOR A BABY TO NURSE IN PUBLIC! IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT THE TURN YOUR DAMN HEAD!
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:13 am PDT

Breast feeding in Public

I'm appaled by the fact that people compare nursing a baby with sexual exposure.  Are you kidding me?  First and foremost breasts are natural, and the best food source for infants.  Comparing nursing, to exposing oneself is like comparing apples to oranges.  People that have a problem with this have some more deep seeded problems with sex itself I'm sure.  I nursed all three of my children when and where I needed to.  Many restrooms are unsanitary and down right gross.  Not to mention the lack of chairs to sit upon.  I would always throw a blanket over myself while nurseing but you must help an infant to "latch" on.  So if you saw my breast.....too bad.There are many "looks" and ways of other people in our country.  If I choose not to look at them I can.  People that have a problem with nursing can look the other way as well!!
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:20 am PDT

Discipline

       For those of you who feel that you have the right or the need to discipline other people's children in public, I feel, are WAY OUT OF LINE!!!    There are certain circumstances and situations where it seems appropriate but in most cases it is the parents responsibility.  And if for some reason the parent doesn't do anything.... that is their choice.   The ONLY time I feel it's okay to respectfully say something is if the parent is not around and the child is causing harm to him/herself or to others.  Or if the child has disrespectfully entered into your or your children's personal space. Even then it can be done respectfully.  For example...I took my 4 year old son to the park one day.  He was climbing up the ladder to reach the entrance to the slide.  There was another little boy ahead of him on the ladder who turned around and tried to kick my little one in the head.  I looked around to see if his parents were watching but they weren't.  So, I firmly but respectful said to the little boy,  "No.  Do not do that again."  Only in those types of circumstances do I feel that it's appropriate to discipline someone else's child.  Yes, there are children out there that drive ya crazy while your shopping, dining at a restaurant or just out in public.  But we are not their parents and have no right to over-step boundaries as to take it upon ourselves to  enforce our discipline onto other peoples children.  Yes, our children need to know that they have to listen to other people besides mommy, daddy, grandma, grandpa...etc...etc.  But having said that I don't agree with the idea of some complete strange approaching my child with a mouthful of words to spit at them when we, as THEIR parents, are completely capable of doing so.  People, please....please....keep to yourself when it comes to others children.  Unless of course...like I said...their endangering themselves or others. 
 
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