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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 17, 2005, 5:18 pm PDT

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Who gives you the right to say that I am wrong!?!  Honey the last time I checked exposing yourself will land you in jail, so remember that the next time you pull out your breast in public.  I will go ahead and tell you, if i see a woman doing it and is NOT being discreet about it I will not hesitate to call the cops on her butt!  YOu flash the world you deserve to be put in the same place the rest of the 'flashers'' are!  Your doing nothing different from them!  I dont care if your feeding the world!  You should not do it in public!  I dont care if your breast was the last remaining food on this earth, you should NOT do it in public! Get over yourself ! Stop telling me and the few other women on here that our opinions dont count!  I am sorry that we have more self respect to know to keep our body parts covered!  It is only a self respect issue!  I guantee that if you ask a dr if breast milk was just as good out of a bottle he would say yes!  I dont want to hear that your baby will not take a bottle, trust me honey, if he/she gets hungry enough they will learn what the bottle is! so grow up and learn some self respect and back off me!  If you dont like what i have to say then DONT READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Sounds like ya'' ll saying "blah blah dont look at it"  whatever

The LAW says you are wrong.  Look it up.  Please.   

  

Most states exempt breastfeeding from indecency statutes, even if OMG!  the nipple is showing.  

  

Calling  the cops and infringing on another person's legally protected civil rights because of your own person squeamishness could buy you a lawsuit,  so you might want to be careful about your vindictiveness.   

  

As for self respect, those of us who do nurse in public have enough self respect not to let other people shame us into thinking there is something dirty or obscene about feeding a baby.  

 
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October 17, 2005, 6:17 pm PDT

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 I am so confused why as women, we have to defend what was given to us for a great purpose.  OK...for men too, but the ultimate reason that breasts were given to us, was for the ability to feed our young!  There are many discreet ways to feed from the breast and be unknowing to those around unless they too have shared in the "art" of breastfeeding.  I have breastfed my four children (two years apart) in restaurants, schools, parks, shopping centers and the zoo.  If you latch them on before their cries draw attention...if you use either your top, a blanket, or simply turning your body differently, those around you do not necessarily have to see what some find offensive.  As a mother and now a grandmother who still has two in college, I can honestly say that I have been offended many times by the high school and college aged girls who have visited our home.  I am offended by the see-through shirts, the low rise jeans that show a little too much, or how about the nipples peering through on those cold days??  I think woman need to ban together for a cause of giving our children the healthiest start in life that they are allowed and quit attacking one another on something that should be just plain common sense....come on girls!!!!  

 
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The LAW says you are wrong.  Look it up.  Please.   

  

Most states exempt breastfeeding from indecency statutes, even if OMG!  the nipple is showing.  

  

Calling  the cops and infringing on another person's legally protected civil rights because of your own person squeamishness could buy you a lawsuit,  so you might want to be careful about your vindictiveness.   

  

As for self respect, those of us who do nurse in public have enough self respect not to let other people shame us into thinking there is something dirty or obscene about feeding a baby.  

i need the word for word statute.
 
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October 17, 2005, 7:00 pm PDT

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My girls and I went out for lunch today and we ate in a restaurante that allows smoking, I noticed that even in the non smoking section, you still get a whiff of cigarette smoke and just walking by a person who is smoking, actually casues others to inhale some, to me that is offensive but do I have the right to go up to a smoker and say hey, I don't smoke and your smoke is going into my lungs, I think it is unappropiate for you to be smoking, are they going to stop? probably not becasue they have the right to smoke becasue it is legal and they are in a place that allows smoking, if smoking is not aloud then there are signs posted that states no smoking. If a person is sitting on the park bench smoking a cigareete then I do not have to go sit beside them, I need to go sit some where else or just be offended becasue they are aloud to smoke, absolutely nothing I can say about it, Whether a person likes it or not, nursing a child in public is aloud therefore nothing a person says is going to matter becasue the mommy is sitting there feeding her baby in an area that is aloud and others do not have to sit close to her, if they do then that is their choice, not hers. As far as teen age boys, it isn't going to hurt them to know what breasts were really made for, if it wasn't meant for a womsn to nurse her child then she wouldn't develop milk after bearing children, therefore there is absolutely nothing wrong there, boys are obsessed with sex because of what they are exposed to, not becasue of a nursing mommy, look at the advertisemetns in department stores or catalogs that sell under garmetns or bikinis, what do yuo usually see, women with about 90% of their bodies revealed and what they do have on is tightly worn and you can see every shape and form of the body, women are portrayed as sex objects and this is what turns the males on. How often do you see men in their tight fitting underware on in the store advertisements? not very often, it is women that is looked up as playmates and it is the women who reveals the ajority of her body which always shows much more then nursing mommy. I don't hear any fussing over the models on tv and magazines, and even young girls revealing their bodies and young boys who wear their pants down to theri knees showing theri hind ends, I am sure there are peopole who are offended by these type of things but there is absolutely nothing they can do about it because it is legal. I can almost bet that every one here is offended by something and that there are things that every one oo us do that would offend others, but if it is a legal thing there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, believe me, if i had my way, there wouldn't be any smokers in any public building, including the public bathrooms buy hey, they have their rights and in the same way that those of you who are against nursing in public, it is a legal act, so you may as well, get used to it and walk away from the scene. Now, I believe all people should have respect for those around them and not to be rude and uncaring, all of us need to be polite and do our best to keep peace but yet as long as we are in the legal right to do something, we can continue it regardless of what others think. Gee, if we did away with every offensive thing in this society, we all might as well just stay behind closed doors casue somebody is gonna be offended by something. debate it all you want, but for now, nursing in public is legal...................
 
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October 17, 2005, 7:32 pm PDT

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My girls and I went out for lunch today and we ate in a restaurante that allows smoking, I noticed that even in the non smoking section, you still get a whiff of cigarette smoke and just walking by a person who is smoking, actually casues others to inhale some, to me that is offensive but do I have the right to go up to a smoker and say hey, I don't smoke and your smoke is going into my lungs, I think it is unappropiate for you to be smoking, are they going to stop? probably not becasue they have the right to smoke becasue it is legal and they are in a place that allows smoking, if smoking is not aloud then there are signs posted that states no smoking. If a person is sitting on the park bench smoking a cigareete then I do not have to go sit beside them, I need to go sit some where else or just be offended becasue they are aloud to smoke, absolutely nothing I can say about it, Whether a person likes it or not, nursing a child in public is aloud therefore nothing a person says is going to matter becasue the mommy is sitting there feeding her baby in an area that is aloud and others do not have to sit close to her, if they do then that is their choice, not hers. As far as teen age boys, it isn't going to hurt them to know what breasts were really made for, if it wasn't meant for a womsn to nurse her child then she wouldn't develop milk after bearing children, therefore there is absolutely nothing wrong there, boys are obsessed with sex because of what they are exposed to, not becasue of a nursing mommy, look at the advertisemetns in department stores or catalogs that sell under garmetns or bikinis, what do yuo usually see, women with about 90% of their bodies revealed and what they do have on is tightly worn and you can see every shape and form of the body, women are portrayed as sex objects and this is what turns the males on. How often do you see men in their tight fitting underware on in the store advertisements? not very often, it is women that is looked up as playmates and it is the women who reveals the ajority of her body which always shows much more then nursing mommy. I don't hear any fussing over the models on tv and magazines, and even young girls revealing their bodies and young boys who wear their pants down to theri knees showing theri hind ends, I am sure there are peopole who are offended by these type of things but there is absolutely nothing they can do about it because it is legal. I can almost bet that every one here is offended by something and that there are things that every one oo us do that would offend others, but if it is a legal thing there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, believe me, if i had my way, there wouldn't be any smokers in any public building, including the public bathrooms buy hey, they have their rights and in the same way that those of you who are against nursing in public, it is a legal act, so you may as well, get used to it and walk away from the scene. Now, I believe all people should have respect for those around them and not to be rude and uncaring, all of us need to be polite and do our best to keep peace but yet as long as we are in the legal right to do something, we can continue it regardless of what others think. Gee, if we did away with every offensive thing in this society, we all might as well just stay behind closed doors casue somebody is gonna be offended by something. debate it all you want, but for now, nursing in public is legal...................
Laws can be changed.
 
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i need the word for word statute.

Obviously, the exact language varies from state to state.  To find out what the law is in your state, you can check:  

   

http://www.lalecheleague.org/Law/summary.html  

   

This is the law in New York, where I live: 

  

  

NEW YORK CIVIL RIGHTS LAW: 

   

NY CLS Civ R § 79-e (Article 7 Miscellaneous Provisions).
1994 N.Y. ALS 98; 1994 N.Y. LAWS 98; 1994 N.Y. S.N. 3999§ 79-E. Right To Breast Feed.
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a mother may breast feed her baby in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be, irrespective of whether or not the nipple of the mother's breast is covered during or incidental to the breast feeding.  

 

  

NY PENAL CODE:  

 

§ 245.01. Exposure of a person  

A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed or exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate parts of a female person shall include that portion of the breast which is below the top of the areola. This section shall not apply to the breastfeeding of infants or to any person entertaining or performing in a play, exhibition, show or entertainment.  

   

§ 245.02. Promoting the exposure of a person   

A person is guilty of promoting the exposure of a person when he knowingly conducts, maintains, owns, manages, operates or furnishes any public premise or place where a person in a public place appears in such a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed or exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate parts of a female person shall include that portion of the breast which is below the top of the areola. This section shall not apply to the breastfeeding of infants or to any person entertaining or performing in a play, exhibition, show or entertainment.  

 
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October 17, 2005, 8:31 pm PDT

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Quote From: macdale

Who gives you the right to say that I am wrong!?!  Honey the last time I checked exposing yourself will land you in jail, so remember that the next time you pull out your breast in public.  I will go ahead and tell you, if i see a woman doing it and is NOT being discreet about it I will not hesitate to call the cops on her butt!  YOu flash the world you deserve to be put in the same place the rest of the 'flashers'' are!  Your doing nothing different from them!  I dont care if your feeding the world!  You should not do it in public!  I dont care if your breast was the last remaining food on this earth, you should NOT do it in public! Get over yourself ! Stop telling me and the few other women on here that our opinions dont count!  I am sorry that we have more self respect to know to keep our body parts covered!  It is only a self respect issue!  I guantee that if you ask a dr if breast milk was just as good out of a bottle he would say yes!  I dont want to hear that your baby will not take a bottle, trust me honey, if he/she gets hungry enough they will learn what the bottle is! so grow up and learn some self respect and back off me!  If you dont like what i have to say then DONT READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Sounds like ya'' ll saying "blah blah dont look at it"  whatever

I have the feeling "if [her] breast was the last remaining food on this earth" that you would be standing in line for a mouthful!!! 

 
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Quote From: rlanthier

Laws can be changed.
They sure can be, like Wisconsin is proposing a bill that would fine people who harrass nursing mothers $200.  Go, Wisconsin, way to change (or elaborate on) those laws! 
 
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October 17, 2005, 9:06 pm PDT

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I watched the debate on should you show your breasts or should you keep them covered outside your home.  With Synnora I got the impression that she is the type that wants to be seen and she has a point to make her sexuality on the other hand Shelly has a higher standard and she seems to appreciate privacy and modesty.  Shelly has nothing to prove and she demands respect.  Synnora has no respect for herself or her boy friend or husband whe she did not speak of.  This brings me to a point of interest and a question.  Why is it that since we are talking about a womans breasts which are sex organs that there was no mention of what the husbands or boy friends thoughts are on this.  I as a husband do not or would not want my wife to expose her breasts (sex organs) in public any where.  Not in the car, not on a bus, ont on an airplane, not at the park.  Even though a woman has a right according to the law and as it says as long as the female breasts is not exposed so as to create desire you may expose the breast to include the nipple.  Now how does a girl since we have many that have children at very young ages and how does a woman not think they are not getting young boys or young or old men excited when they see the female breasts exposed.  Some I think do such as Synnora because she says to get over it.  I tell you this if I were married or attached to someone like Synnora it would not be for very long because this is not the quality of person I would want as a wife or to raise my children.  What has happend to us so that we are 61% in favor of a womans right to flop out her breasts in public view.  Is there not anything sacred and private with in the marriage.  It sounds like anything goes.  We are all aware of law makers that make laws that are unjust and immoral such as killing an unborn child and the government being able to take your home and property for what they think is a greater purpose or the irs doing the same thing.  This is a law of the land giving the feds the right to do whatever they want but we know when it affects us that the law is wrong.  It is the same with the law that says it is ok for a woman to expose her breasts (sex organs) for public view.  Instead of stipulating that using common sence so as not to draw attention to others you must have your breasts covered for the entire event.  But we have perverted judges who want to see this.  I dont even know why this should even be a topic at all I wonder just how low will we go before we self distruct.  I would like to have asked Synnora this,  do you also flop your breasts out for your dad, brother, cousin, uncle, brother in law, pastor, minister, rabi, male co workers, who do you not show them to.  Just because a woman has a baby does this mean that her breasts are no longer sexual objects or sex organs.  No man on earth is able in his heart and mind seperate this.  I have seen doctors become excited when they see fresh meat come into their office.  Think on this two people are on the subway and she decides to giver her man a frilly dilly and during this event security comes along and discovers that a frilly dilly is going on and the officer says Hey, you cant do that in public but she insists that she is thinking of it as a piece of fruit.  Does this fruit thought change what she has in her mouth, No it does not and just because women want to think of their breasts as milk jugs for babies does not suddenly stop the female breasts from being sex organs.  Since we are into womans rights and woman have the right to expose their breasts to include the nipple so dont you think men should have rights to pull their scotums out if they need air and men should have the right to expose their testicles with the scrotum.  Now that is silly and so are the women who want to show it off.  There are places that will pay women like Synnora to show it off.  Has Synnora and others like her thought of the breast pump.  This is a dandy item that allows a woman to retain the milk by refrigeration and there by can be taken on the go so as to feed the baby in a public setting.  We do not live in the Sudan where tits exposed is a way of life.  We are suppose to be civilized so as to respect our self and the ones we are with and all others.  I do not want to be in a public place and have some female plop her tits out in front of my 14 year old son and I have to explain to him that this is they type of woman that you do not want to marry.  If this is such a beatiful moment with the baby then why is it not in private where you alone can relish in the moment.  Yes everyone has a right to eat but there is something in us that seperates us from the animals, well, some of us.  I am sure that there are so many that do not appreciate the true values that hold a society together and that there are some things that ought not be done for public view but this is one example that we are morally on a downward trend and marriage between two people mean nothing. 

Bless your wifes heart...I cannot imagine what it must be like to live with you.  I do think a woman should cover up and be modest, but my goodness...you are so far out there! I bet Dr. Phil would have a field day with you.  By the way, I don't believe God created breast as sex organs, they're much more functional for food. I bet you're one of those guys who thinks breast 

stimulation gives the effect  as oral sex. Get over yourself! 

 
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October 17, 2005, 9:18 pm PDT

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Quote From: rlanthier

Laws can be changed.
Why don't you go out there and start your campaign now? As you can see from this board alone I don't think it will pass or have much support. And I don't think that a bunch of lawmakers are going to pass something so absurd to limit breastfeeding, which is already too rare as it is! Besides, the Supreme Court has already ruled that states cannot impose restrictions on breastfeeding. Don't you have anything you would rather do to help the needy or the underprivileged? OR go cure some disease... something worthwhile other than just pure hatred and oppression.
 
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