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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 9:21 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: blackgoldp

I volunteer at an after school program in Washington, DC.  Most of the youth I work with come from single parent families and do not spend a lot of time with their parents (because the parents work).  The Junior High and High School age youth are very sexually physical with each other most of the time.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what they are thinking.  These youth are not getting the information they need at home to make an informed decision and often the school is the only source of information.  It is very important to me that all of these youth are able to continue their education without the concerns of raising a child.  I speak very candidly with the youth about sex and the consequences including STD's and children.  I do not personally provide condoms to youth, but I do not have a problem with schools making them available to the youth as long as education accompanies them. 

  

I think a lot of people are unaware of what goes outside of their own homes.  Just because you plan to educate your child on the dangers of sex does not mean that all children are given the opportunity to learn from their parents.  I think the most important thing is that the youth are educated so they can make the best decision for them. 

 That 's exactly what the problem  is with the education system.  Instead of just stating facts, schools must follow absurd abstince only education guidelines.  This is forced on the schools by the Bush administration and the christian fundamentalists that insist on pushing their views onto everyone in society.  Teenagers have been having sex since way before the invention of the condom. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:21 am PDT

breadfeeding to long

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I breastfed my boys-one would take a bottle of pumped milk, one wouldn't. As for me giving my baby a bottle, I see no reason for that. Why would I buy a pump and bottles, and worry about storing my milk when we are out all day when I can breast feed? This can also cause supply issues, as the breasts don't respond to a pump as well as to a baby. I breast fed in public when I needed to, discreetly. I could have conversations with people face-to-face and they thought the baby was sleeping when he was breast feeding. 

As far as how long is too long, I believe that each baby has different needs. I personally allowed my sons to breast feed until they were ready not to--child-led weaning. They are both much healthier and more secure as a result. I wish more people would parent by watching their children's cues instead of watching the calendar, and by trusting their own and their babies' instincts instead of "expert" advice.  

Thanks for the wonderful responses. Unfortunately, my milk dried up early as I full intended to go the first whole year. I was truly devistated and my youngest just turned a year old. I wished I could have gone longer but I know I would have stopped by their first birthday. I did not know if breastfeeding moms of children over 1 year felt uncomfortable when their child can walk up to them and take their breast and feed themself? I am just curious so please understand, I am not trying to be a jerk.
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:21 am PDT

Get a grip!

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What you are saying is that displaying affection in public is correct? 

SOoooo I can make Love on the table as you brestfead your baby? 

   All you will do is turn your FLIPPIN HEAD AND look away? 

      You don't have to watch US makeing Love on the table INFROUNT OF YOU..Turn your FLIPPING HEAD!!! 

In a lot of countries holding hands are not done in public. 

Going to the bathroom is not done in public BUT it is a NATURAL THING. 

 In order to have a society you MUST have RULES and MORALS agreed on by the people in that society. 

 You sure have a LOT OF HEART BURN over this subject. Wondering IF this is really what you are trying to say? 

  

Nobody said anything about sex!  A kiss is a kiss, can I not kiss my husband in public?  I didn't say anything about tongue down his throat!!!   Holding hands, kissing, hugging, eating, walking, sitting, talking on the phone are all things that are done in public.  Why is it so wrong for an INFANT to eat in front of other people when it is not wrong for others to eat in public?  How about I take it to another level.  Are you offended by anyone who is unable to feed themselves?  What about the elderly?  The disabled?  Would you approach them and tell them they shouldn't be allowed to eat in public, that they should go to the bathroom to eat in private?  Does anyone come up to you in the middle of your meal and say, "That is so inappropriate.  You really should do that in the bathroom, in your car or in the privacy of your own home!"  What if you put a big blanket over your head so that we can't see you eating?   How about we just get rid of all public eating facilities and make it inappropriate for ANYONE to eat in public?  Why just the infants?  Not everyone can pump.  Not everyone can make absolutely sure that their outing will only take the time between feedings so as not to offend those who won't see breastfeeding as nourishment for a baby, but rather as simply an intrusion on their beliefs/values/morals what have you.  Get a grip for cryin' out loud!  I am all about fairness and discretion, however, this is getting ridiculous!  A breastfeeding mother is not sitting there shirtless flaunting her breasts saying "Look at my boobs!", she is sitting with maybe a part of one breast barely exposed so that her child can eat.   The people who WON'T see that breastfeeding is simply a way for a child to eat need to just get over themselves.  This is the United States of America, a FREE country....and yes I do realize that means freedom of speech...what about the right to feed your child in public without people telling you that you should be feeding your child in one of the filthiest places?  If you wouldn't sit in the bathroom to eat your lunch, then don't suggest that a mother feed her child in one.  

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:21 am PDT

Breast feeding in Public

I have nursed three children and it is hard not to feed a child when they are hungry. I do think that it is important to be sensitive like Dr. Phil says. We all want to have our opinion respected but we are not very willing to change ourselves. So I do feel that we can be considerate and use a light blanket to cover. i know that some children do not like that but if we try to do that for our children early on and consistently it may be easier. For those that dont like breastfeeding. You need to respect us as well. If it wasnt meant to be our breast wouldnot produce the milk. It really is a wonderful opportunity for child and mother to have a few moments of closeness that I feel is appropriate in every aspect.
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:22 am PDT

One Guy's perspective

I'd prefer a woman breastfeed discreetly. As a guy, I am very uncomfortable when a woman shows her breast when breastfeeding.  I am conflicted and uncomfortable when seeing that.  I know it is natural etc, but although I know I shouldn't look, it's hard not to, given the male fascination with breasts.   

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:23 am PDT

Breasts & sex ed & walmart tantrums

 Breastfeeding in Public

I breastfed in public and the only comments I received were positive ones. I was always discreet so people rarely noticed and although I refused to ever feed my children in a washroom, I could always find an out of the way bench.  Once in a while, I'll see a mom feeding her child in a food court and that warm rush of feelings comes over me. It was such a precious time and it was over much too soon.

The only time I ever made someone really uncomfortable with my breastfeeding was at a family dinner when I was such an old hand at it I just "whipped 'em out" at the table and my poor dad turned deep pink. I was so used to not having to be discreet around my hubby, mom and sisters, I'd forgotten about dad. I covered up, he pretended he hadn't seen a thing and my son just kept on eating. 


Child Discipline

I can't imagine a scenario where my children would need to be disciplined by someone other than myself or my husband or where I'd need to discipline someone elses children. I've been tempted to give "the look" to a few moms in Walmart but it's generally because they're shopping with wee ones at 10 p.m. and the kids are beyond tired and the moms are frazzled and they both are whining at each other. I try to always remember how blessed I am that my husband was there to look over our kids in bed at 10 p.m. if I had to run to the shops and that not everyone is in the same situation.  As tempted as I've been to discipline a parent though, it would never cross my mind to discipline someone elses child.

Sex & Drugs & Rock'n'roll

I'm a big believer in sex and drug education that is truthful and complete. I think that  parents should be able to exempt their children from sex ed classes but I wouldn't exempt my own children even though we've always answered their questions at home.

I think that too much focus is placed on the end effects of drugs and sex without telling kids why people want to risk so much to have sex or take drugs. We fill them up on AIDS, STD's and addiction warnings without informing them of any of the pleasures.

My children are aware that drugs and alcohol make you feel GREAT. Both take away inhibitions and make you feel powerful and the temporary euphoria is enough to make you want to take drugs or alcohol again and again. They know it's a seductive process that their bodies will reach for if they start down that slope. Teen bodies will also reach for the pleasure that sex brings. It's a hormonal thing that they have to be told about in order for them to understand it and deal with it. If we tell them only about pregancy and condom failure and STD's without telling them that sexual feelings will be humming through their bodies and sex play will make them feel good and temporarily loved, how will they be able to fight the feelings? 

As we gave our boys all the info about the positive things they'd feel, we let them know about the negative effects. That way, if they ever try drugs, they'll remember that we told them the truth about the "positives" so they'll be more inclined to believe us about the negatives. We took a very similar approach to sex ed and when my eldest son was 13, he felt no fear about going into planned parenthood to pick up some condoms so he could show them off to his friends as the most incredible water balloons ever made.  

  

I have an 18 year old son who, so far, has been able to say no to drugs and alcohol (with 1 exception) and even sex. He made that decision for himself using the information we gave him. The one occasion he drank, he used the portion control information we gave him. 1 beer is a drink, 1 wine cooler is a drink, 1 oz of liquor is a drink... we let him know how rarely people pour 1 oz of liquor and why it's a very poor choice for someone who wants to control their portions. He had 1 wine cooler and told us about it at the end of the night even though we never would have known as it's effects had long worn off. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:24 am PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

The breast is a private part of the body and I can't understand why people think it is okay to expose them in a public place in front of others.  I am all for natural and nutrition for infants, but if you are exposing your breast, do it in a private place.  There is always somewhere you can go off privately instead of in front of people.  If you are going to expose your breasts to the public, do it somewhere where everyone is allowed to expose their breasts, (maybe a topless bar).  If I were to go into a public restaurant and expose my breast, wouldn't I be arrested?   Using the bathroom is also a natural need in life, but a man or woman couldn't expose themselves and take care of this need at a park, public affair, or restaurant.  They would be arrested.  Changing a colostomy bag is also a natural need, but should someone do it in front of others in public?  How far will we go? 
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:26 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: kaylakasey

I've posted once but must post again. 

  

I want to address all of you who are saying "BF is fine, as long as a mother doesn't flaunt her breast"... 

  

As a mother of a wiggly baby, I don't think I would have time to stand up and attach a flashy dangler from my breast and wiggle it around in circles for everyone to look at.  Nor would I have Justin Timberlake pull off part of my wardrobe while I was dancing in front of millions of people. 

  

Besides that, if you find a mother who is desperately trying to sooth or feed her crying infant or toddler holding her breast to try and assist it into their childs mouth as milk is dripping to boot FLAUTING or some how SEXY then I honestly think you are a sick sick person. 

  

How can you say you care about children if you care so badly they are being fed?  Looking across a restaraunt at a mother nursing her child... if that's all it takes to ruin your day, or offend you, then you are extremely uneducated.  What better place for a child to eat and feel comfortable than at a table with family and friends.   

  

I'd like to tell any breastfeeding mamma--way to go!  Don't let anyone push you around.  Keep up the good work, your baby is so blessed, so so blessed.   

  

**And about schools passing out condoms**  I do know a good handful of kids when I was in h/s that did not have sex because they were too embarrassed to go buy them at the store.  The other kids that did have sex, did so with out protection.  I think it's NOT the schools job to worry about it, but a parents.  But if it came to a school passing out condoms, then with the child PRESENT, have the administrater call the mother AND father, or each guardian on the call list/contact list and say, "Hi, mr and mrs brown, I have Suzy here, and she is requesting 6 condoms, so we would like to clear that with you and if you could please come down and sign this waiver that states you understand your child may be participating in premarital sexual intercourse, and that we are not responsible for her partner raping her, or any pregnancies or std's that occur if the condom is not used properly et cetera."     Ya, I'm quite certain my parents would not be signing that waiver. 

 um, first of all the student would never go to the nurse if she knew that they would call her parents.  They would just go to a pharmacy and get one.  If a teen decides that they want to have sex then they will find a way.  My own mother told me tons of crap about sex like "if you are not a virgin, no man will ever marry you. and that it was a sin and immoral before marriage.  what I actually heard was blah, blah, blah.
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:26 am PDT

breastfeeding vs smoking

I truelly feel that breatfeeding is a natural and normal way of feeding your baby.  It is one of the ways God intended breast to be used for!!!  It is much easier than bottle feeding,  (that's for sure).  I breastfed my youngest until he turned one then he was done.  It was such a bonding time for the both of us.  This issue of breastfeeding can bring up lots of issues;  for instance smoking in public.  I am allergic to cigarette smoke and most restaurants have smoking/non.  You don't ask people who are smoking in public to stop, it's the same way with breastfeeding mothers, except breastfeeding a baby doesn't harm anybody.  Smoking, reguardless if you are in a non-smoking are, the smoke does travel to the non-smoking area.  It's hared to get awy from the smoke but if you happened to not like mothers who breastfeed in public, don't watch or move away.  I would much rather see many woman breastfeeding their children then to see or smell people smoking, it is very harmful to everyone not just the smoker.   

  

BREASTFEEDING IN PUBLIC DOESN'T HURT ANYONE -- 

SMOKING HURTS EVERYONE IN ITS PATH 

 

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October 7, 2005, 9:28 am PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

I am a breastfeeding mother of two. I pumped for 6 months to breastfeed my first daughter, after intensive care she wouldnt latch properly. Now I am enjoying being able to nurse my second daughter naturally. I say it is the most NATURAL thing in the world, that is why women have breasts, and if breastfeeding in public shouldnt be allowed then eating in public shouldnt be allowed. I just find it so hard to believe that there are women this day and age that are not supporting of breastfeeding, in public or not. I have NEVER seen a woman in public with her whole shirt off to breastfeed, but if she did, then look away. It's not as if the lady is holding her boob and saying look at it, or flashing someone, it's feeding her child. The woman on the show that said that you should go the bathroom and breastfeed, why doesnt she try to go the restroom at a public place and eat her meal, then lets talk and see how you like it. She also made a comment about how a breastfeeding woman is not as attractive as she might think she is, she needs to get over it, I NOR THE OTHER WOMEN IKNOW, ARE NOT BREASTFEEDING FOR ATTENTION OR APPROVAL OF OTHERS, AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LOOK AWAY. I do not just pull out my breast and show the world, I am not comfotable just exposing myself in public, I cover up as much as possible. But as a woman with bigger breast, I also cannot use a little nursing top and only expose the nipple, I have to hold my breast at the bottom for support so I dont smother my daughter, this is done as a nessecity not a show. And if you see a little part of my breast because of that then so be it, again look away. Cover ups are great for infants but as for my 9 month old she just wont stand to have anything over her face so we dont use one, after she is latched I pull my shirt down as far a I can so a little as possible is exposed, for my comfot not for any onlookers. I think that the woman against breastfeeding in puiblic ,discourages lots of first time moms from breastfeeding. It takes time to be comfortable with breastfeeding and they dont need to hear what she says people are thinking about them. Afterall that is why women have breasts and breastfeeding should be accepted now matter where it is done. 

 
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