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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 9:29 am PDT

affection in Public

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What you are saying is that displaying affection in public is correct? 

SOoooo I can make Love on the table as you brestfead your baby? 

   All you will do is turn your FLIPPIN HEAD AND look away? 

      You don't have to watch US makeing Love on the table INFROUNT OF YOU..Turn your FLIPPING HEAD!!! 

In a lot of countries holding hands are not done in public. 

Going to the bathroom is not done in public BUT it is a NATURAL THING. 

 In order to have a society you MUST have RULES and MORALS agreed on by the people in that society. 

 You sure have a LOT OF HEART BURN over this subject. Wondering IF this is really what you are trying to say? 

  

As a parent it is important that our children learn proper forms of affection in public. It is also important for them to see parents show affection so they see that it is okay to do and so they can be comfortable as adults. Being a parent  I let my children see me give my husband a appropriate kiss or hold his hand or pat his back as I walk by and of course hear my love verbally. Anything else is done behind close dorrs. Breastfeeding can be done in public in an appropriate way. Granted not all people do. You can cover yourself so nothing is seen. We all need to not only want our opinions to be accepted but we need to accept others to. No one should ever lower their stadards but Dr. Phil is right we can all have social sesitivity both ways.
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:30 am PDT

A hoot!

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      Breast-feeding in public is such a
 complete non-issue in most of the world. Sadly, the American culture has sexualized the breast so completely
and so successfully that we have lost sight of what
 mammary glands are really for. Visit any other part of the
 world and you'll see bare-breasted women who 'wear'
 their babies alongside men who don't give a hoot
 about 'hooters'.One woman on your show claimed she was against it because it was 'unattractive'. Since when is that a criteria for anything? I think bottle feeding is a poor substitute for the real thing. The American Academy of Pediatrics says so too! However, I can't stop women from using bottles in public. I think it's time for lactating mothers and their babies across the country to take back their breasts! The current nurse-in's at Starbuck's are raising awareness of this issue, but how about making a statement at businesses that cultivate and thrive on the sexualization of the breast? Think of all the places! For a grand finale, organize a nurse-in at "that" restaurant. Now wouldn't that be a hoot?!

 Amen, sister!  Woo hoo.  Imagine BF at Hooters! LMAO!!!
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:30 am PDT

Get Real!

On the topic of breastfeeding in public, discretion is all well and fine as long as the comfort of the child is not sacrificed.  Have you ever tried eating under a blanket, even a lightweight one, when it's 90 degrees outside or the sun is beating down on you?  Even if we were inclined to take ourselves out to the car or somewhere less populated there are other things to consider: the weather, the cleanliness of our surroundings, our safety.  Why should we risk going out in the rain, snow, or other unpleasant weather to get to our car just so a few people don't have to look away for a few minutes while we feed our children?  Why should we risk exposing our children to various bacteria and other nasties in the restroom?  Less public areas are not always safe and exposing ourselves to danger or even just a feeling of unease does not help us or our children.  Once the child is actually on the breast most of the breast is hidden behind their head and our shirts tend to cover the other part.   

  

 I have a 4 year old son who I was only able to BF for 3 months since I had to go back to work and I regret that I couldn't do so longer.  I am currently BF'g my 4 month old daugher and thankfully am able to stay at home with my children, I know that both of my children are healthier because of the BF'g.  I have explained to my son and our other young relatives that this is how mommies feed their babies, just like other animals do and none of them think it is weird or gross.   

  

People are going to notice a woman feeding her child whether it is with a bottle or the breast.  What needs to be remembered is that the milk from the breast is the absolute best   for the child and that as a grown adult if you do not like seeing it LOOK AWAY!  As for seeing mothers nursing in public, if there is nothing more interesting at your own table that you can focus on then I feel sad for you. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:32 am PDT

Breast feeding in public

Breast feeding is natural, and the reason God gave us breast. I have three children and they were all breast fed. If my child was hungry I would feed them anywhere! For that lady to sit on there and say she would lose her appetite if she seen a woman feeding her child, AS FAR AS i AM CONSERNED THAT LADY HAS ISSUES! I never one time was revealing in public, but I would never have let my child go hungy! Breast feeding is a beutiful and natural thing! Maybe that lady has issues beyond what we can see, for that to bother her so!
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:34 am PDT

How long to breast feed

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Thanks for the wonderful responses. Unfortunately, my milk dried up early as I full intended to go the first whole year. I was truly devistated and my youngest just turned a year old. I wished I could have gone longer but I know I would have stopped by their first birthday. I did not know if breastfeeding moms of children over 1 year felt uncomfortable when their child can walk up to them and take their breast and feed themself? I am just curious so please understand, I am not trying to be a jerk.
Being a parent myself I find it very important to put your families needs first. It is of course and issue on how long to breastfeed. Many people stop at one because of what people think. I think that it is important to do what is needed by the child and parent not do something because others push you to. We have to be with our children for 18 years and their is emotional things tied to every decision. I think if you are going to breastfeed over one you can teach your child that it is for nourishment but that their are also boundries. A child can be taught how to respect a mothers boundries and how to be let the mother know appropriatly that they are hungry. A one year old may seem big at times but they are also still very little.
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:35 am PDT

breastfeeding age limits

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My son was nursing with his legs hanging off of me months ago. He is now 15 months, and I still nurse him in public all the time. He also has 13 teeth or more. He is not only old enough for "real food," he has been getting REAL FOOD since before he was born. You make yourself seem really silly by saying a child past a certain length is too old to nurse and is disturbing to you. Is this because you think children past a certain age will develop a sick love of boobies or something? Personally I nursed until I was 2 and a half and my sister, until she was almost 4. My brother is less comfortable with me nursing in front of him, but I do it anyway. He was bottle fed. He is the oldest and my mom didn't breastfeed him because her doctor gave her a dry up shot in the hospital on the off chance that my mom might go back to work. He is also the only one in my family who has any sort of problem with public nursing, and his wife always only fed her baby at home, and the baby was crying a lot but she still wouldn't feed her in public unless it was a bottle. 

I admit before my son was born I had a lot of ideas about how I would use a cover or not nurse in front of people, but once you get used to it it's really no big deal. It takes about half a second to latch the baby on and after that the only skin you see is about what you would see if I bent over while wearing a normal top and you happened to be peering down my shirt. Usually my shirt is tucked around everything and you can't see anything, but I personally think it's ignorant for you to say I shouldn't feed my son because he surpasses your age or length threshold. Should I go around in the restaurant and ask permission from every single person before feeding my crying squirming kid?Should I hold a commitee meeting to watch me do it and make sure I'm doing it modestly enough? 

It's all so ridiculous. Some people say, just cover up, or just don't latch on in plain sight or just go in the bathroom or just go to your car or just go home. I would rather just go ahead and feed my hungry kid and eat my meal while it's hot, thank you! 

  

I think North Americans have such problems with this because we so rarely see toddlers at the breast. I was in Sweden last summer and there were children old enough to open their moms blouse who were feeding and it was a bit startling at first because I'm just not used to seeing it but we should all be aware that the age for weaning a child is very different in other parts of the world. In North America, there is a real push for mothers to pump and giving a baby a bottle makes them wean much younger because a bottle takes less work for the child and gives a greater and faster output. That doesn't mean the bottle is better... there are so many positive reasons to breastfeed, not the least of which is the bonding. 

  

I "only" breastfed for 8 months with my first child but after 4 months when I went back to work and had to pump to give him his milk all day, he started preferring the bottle and weaned himself even though I wasn't ready for it. My youngest only lasted 7 months even though I never gave him a bottle. He was so into his brother's sippy cup that I couldn't interest him in drinking from anything else after a while *lol*.  

  

I think if someone has a problem seeing a toddler nurse, it really is their problem. A little more education and research would show them that we are really the exception in the world by weaning our children so early.  

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:35 am PDT

My baby has a medical condition...

My 8 week old baby was born with a condition which requires that I breastfeed her on demand, wherever we happen to be...

She's a mammal.

Seriously, breastfeeding mothers do not nurse in public because we think it's attractive or beautiful, we do it because we are trying to care for our children.  It is so hard being a new mother.  I feel so isolated, at home alone with a baby all day.  That one chance that I have to go to a restaurant or a meeting, that's my lifeline.  If we further isolate new mothers by requiring them to breastfeed somewhere other than where they are, I suspect that baby abuse rates will rise.  The highlight of my day yesterday was taking my daughter to the grocery store.  It was the first time I'd been out in days.  And we nursed, in her sling.  No one saw anything (not that I really care how others feel, but *I* am uncomfortable in public if I'm not covered).

You say, "go to the bathroom or a car" but that assumes that breastfeeding is quick!  I could have to nurse my daughter for half an hour.  By then, the meeting's over, or my dinner's cold, or the movie has ended...  I'm not going to isolate myself so that you aren't uncomfortable.  If you don't like what I'm doing, look away.  Furthermore, the idea of sitting in a public bathroom for 30 minutes is hideous.  I'm a hoverer!  Where am I supposed to sit?  I had her in August - sitting in a hot car isn't an option, either.  Sure, we could leave it running and turn on the AC, but gas is $3 a gallon.  That's not fair to either of us.  And what are we supposed to do when it's below zero?  No thanks, I'll sit at the table in the restaurant and discreetly nurse my child, and if it bothers you, you can leave.

I disagree with the poster who said that "most" bathrooms have a lounge area.  I know of ONE such bathroom in my entire town, and it's on the college campus, where I rarely need to go.

I would love to be able to pump and give her a bottle, but guess what, I'm pump-resistant.  Look it up, it happens.  So I have NO option other than to breastfeed.  Would you rather see my daughter under a blanket at my breast, or hear her crying with hunger?  Babies stomachs hold a tiny amount.  They get hungry often.  Even if I feed her right before we leave, by the time we get anywhere, she needs to eat again. 

It is legal for me to breastfeed in public in my state, thank God.  I have nursed at Walmart, at Kroger, at Panera Bread, at Applebee's, and at multiple doctor's offices.  When my daughter is hungry, she eats.  If you don't like it, you're "portable" too. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:37 am PDT

the show

Hey guys, 

  

I was recently in NY city and actually saw the woman on the show, Veronica Mosey, who was on the last segment.  She was hilarious!  check out her website www.veronicamosey.com.   

I thought she had really good points, but I also thought the other woman did too...  it really depends on the situation.  anyway, she's a great comedian so check her out if you get a chance. 

  

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:37 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: wonderful1

Babies do not eat every hour of the day.  If you are taking your baby to church, to the store, to a friend's house, you feed them before you go.  This has very little to do with taking care of a child's  

needs but much more to do with exhibitionism and wanting "to show off that you are breast feeding" and, if it causes a debate, it becomes all about you and not your child...exactly as the woman was on Dr. Phil's show today.  To breastfeed in the child's room or your room in the privacy 

of your home is a beautiful thing.  Exhibitionism or turning this into a "cause" for the mother is not 

beautiful.   

Oh, really? What makes you think babies don't eat every hour? My son certainly ate around the clock for the first couple of months. Now maybe you are getting your ideas from the bottle feeding culture which only feeds babies every 3-4 hours, but breastmilk is quickly digested and BF babies need to eat more often, every 1-2 hours at first, and they can go longer as they get older, though not always as long as you might think. It took me at least 20 minutes to get from my house to the Target or the Restaurant across town where I lived when my son was little, in a little suburb of Minneapolis, so how do you propose I complete the shopping trip or the dinner without it being time for him to eat again? 

Formula sits in the baby's stomach for much longer because many of the ingredients are indigestible. Formula companies have to add extra minerals and vitamins that the baby doesn't need on the hope that the body will absorb some of them. That's because they can't find a way to get their artificial nutrients to pass into the cells of the human baby. That is why formula babies can go longer, because they are full of a bunch of extra junk in their stomachs, but not getting the nutrients they need. Breast milk contains picolinate among other substances that aid in cells' absorbtion of nutrients. Formula takes a long time to be digested. 

That's one reason some people think of formula as more convenient. But personally I think it's way more convenient to breastfeed and not have to mix up bottles, sterilize bottles, nipples, and make sure that I don't run out of the formula I prefer or that the store doesn't sell out of it. 

 When I breastfeed my son I assure you I get no high off of any sort of sick ehxibitionism. But I do get a wonderful feeling of empowerment and love from feeding my baby the natural food he is supposed to have. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:38 am PDT

THERE IS A WRONG WAY AND CORRECT WAY

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Nobody said anything about sex!  A kiss is a kiss, can I not kiss my husband in public?  I didn't say anything about tongue down his throat!!!   Holding hands, kissing, hugging, eating, walking, sitting, talking on the phone are all things that are done in public.  Why is it so wrong for an INFANT to eat in front of other people when it is not wrong for others to eat in public?  How about I take it to another level.  Are you offended by anyone who is unable to feed themselves?  What about the elderly?  The disabled?  Would you approach them and tell them they shouldn't be allowed to eat in public, that they should go to the bathroom to eat in private?  Does anyone come up to you in the middle of your meal and say, "That is so inappropriate.  You really should do that in the bathroom, in your car or in the privacy of your own home!"  What if you put a big blanket over your head so that we can't see you eating?   How about we just get rid of all public eating facilities and make it inappropriate for ANYONE to eat in public?  Why just the infants?  Not everyone can pump.  Not everyone can make absolutely sure that their outing will only take the time between feedings so as not to offend those who won't see breastfeeding as nourishment for a baby, but rather as simply an intrusion on their beliefs/values/morals what have you.  Get a grip for cryin' out loud!  I am all about fairness and discretion, however, this is getting ridiculous!  A breastfeeding mother is not sitting there shirtless flaunting her breasts saying "Look at my boobs!", she is sitting with maybe a part of one breast barely exposed so that her child can eat.   The people who WON'T see that breastfeeding is simply a way for a child to eat need to just get over themselves.  This is the United States of America, a FREE country....and yes I do realize that means freedom of speech...what about the right to feed your child in public without people telling you that you should be feeding your child in one of the filthiest places?  If you wouldn't sit in the bathroom to eat your lunch, then don't suggest that a mother feed her child in one.  

YOU CAN'T COMPARE KISSING AND SEX TO BREASTFEEDING A BABY?  NOT THE SAME THING.  ONE IS NEEDED FOR THE BABY TO SURVIVE AND THE OTHER IS JUST FOR PLEASURE.  BUT JUST BECAUSE THE BABY IS HUNGRY DOESN'T MEAN THE MOM CAN JUST WHIP OUT HER BREAST ANYWHERE SHE PLEASES AND MAKE OTHERS UNCOMFORTABLE.  THERE IS WAY IT CAN BE DONE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE OTHERS FEEL WEIRD.  IT'S ONLY POLITE.  JUST PUT A BLANKET OVER AND NOBODY HAS TO SEE ANYTHING.  IT IS REALLY THAT SIMPLE.  BOOBS DON'T HAVE TO BE ALL OVER THE PLACE IN PUBLIC.  PEOPLE JUST NEED TO HAVE COMMON COURTESY AND RESPECT OTHERS.  

AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH KISSING LOVED ONE EITHER.  LIKE I SAID, AS LONG AS IT'S TASTEFUL AND RESPECTFUL.  PRETTY SIMPLE STUFF I THINK 

 
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