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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 9:38 am PDT

Nursing in Public.

I have breastfed 3 babies. My last baby is a year old. I can tell you that no one sees my breasts when I NIP. I don't use a cover up or a blanket. What little skin that could be seen is covered by either my shirt or my babies head. You would have to be standing right above me to see even 1/2 in of skin. Beleive it or not I'm not the only nursing mom that is discreet while NIP w/out covering up.  

  

Most people do not even realize that I am nursing. It just looks like I am trying to get the baby to sleep.   

 

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October 7, 2005, 9:42 am PDT

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It really irritates me that people who don't understand what sex ed in public school is are so outspoken and opinionated about the topic. I know that it will offend some for me to say this, but these people truly do NOT know what they are talking about! I think a lot of "Christians" in particular have been led to believe that public schools have some type of evil agenda and are out to "get" their kids by "promoting" a lifestyle choice that is seems less than ideal. These people need to get a grip.  

  

THese people will often argue for "abstinence based" education...which is just proof that they are missing the point entirely.  Sex Ed should be about objective EDUCATION not promotion of values! It seems ironic that people that argue for abstinence only education (a blatent values-based promotion)  are the same people who often assume that the public schools are trying to cram values down kids' throats with education that includes information other than abstinence. If you feel so strongly that public schools shouldn't promote certain values and that this should be done at home instead then please STOP ARGUING FOR A VALUE-BASED curriculum and spend time talking to YOUR kids at home instead! 

  

On a personal note, the Sex Ed I recieved in public school was actually education; not some values promotion. We were educated about risks associated with sex and the pros and cons associated with each way to deal with it. After everything was laid out in a logical way, abstinence seemed like the best choice for me but I know a lot of my friends chose sommething else. None of us ended up pregnant or with an STD.  

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:43 am PDT

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On the topic of breastfeeding in public, discretion is all well and fine as long as the comfort of the child is not sacrificed.  Have you ever tried eating under a blanket, even a lightweight one, when it's 90 degrees outside or the sun is beating down on you?  Even if we were inclined to take ourselves out to the car or somewhere less populated there are other things to consider: the weather, the cleanliness of our surroundings, our safety.  Why should we risk going out in the rain, snow, or other unpleasant weather to get to our car just so a few people don't have to look away for a few minutes while we feed our children?  Why should we risk exposing our children to various bacteria and other nasties in the restroom?  Less public areas are not always safe and exposing ourselves to danger or even just a feeling of unease does not help us or our children.  Once the child is actually on the breast most of the breast is hidden behind their head and our shirts tend to cover the other part.   

  

 I have a 4 year old son who I was only able to BF for 3 months since I had to go back to work and I regret that I couldn't do so longer.  I am currently BF'g my 4 month old daugher and thankfully am able to stay at home with my children, I know that both of my children are healthier because of the BF'g.  I have explained to my son and our other young relatives that this is how mommies feed their babies, just like other animals do and none of them think it is weird or gross.   

  

People are going to notice a woman feeding her child whether it is with a bottle or the breast.  What needs to be remembered is that the milk from the breast is the absolute best   for the child and that as a grown adult if you do not like seeing it LOOK AWAY!  As for seeing mothers nursing in public, if there is nothing more interesting at your own table that you can focus on then I feel sad for you. 

I like your comment about the weather. Where I lived when my son was born was in Minnesota. Even when it was summer, it was like 50 degrees at night but he still didn't like having a hat or a blanket, on his head, or even on his body. When it was -40 in the winter he would let me put a snowsuit on him or a blanket, but he still hated hats and only let me put them on him for the outside. 

Now I live in TX, where I am from, and it is like 100 degrees or more for 5-6 months out of the year. Yesterday was the first cool day we have had where the weather went from 95 to below 70 in one day. During the summer, my baby is sweaty enough, even with no clothes on and only a diaper he pours sweat onto my arm when I hold him. I hardly think this would be a good time to cover him up with any sort of shirt or blanket when he eats, our body heat alone is enough to warrant some fans and AC! 

I also don't like to wear nursing tops, since I don't think they work well. I just wear a two-layered outfit, one a cami under the outer shirt so I can keep my stomach covered when I feed my son. Often this is really hot in the summer but worth it not to have to show my stomach to everyone. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:44 am PDT

breast feeding in public

WE ARE NOT ANIMALS AND SHOULD NOT BE ACTING AS SUCH,  WHIPPING OUT A BREAST FOR YOUR CHILD TO SUCK ON WHENEVER THEY WANT IS NO DIFFERENT THAT THE ANIMAL WORLD.  IF WE WANT TO BE TREATED AS ADULT WOMAN THEN ACT LIKE IT, HAVE ENOUGH SELF RESPECT TO FEED IN PRIVATE OR AT LEAST DISCREETLY. YOU ARE INFRINGING ON OTHER PEOPLES RIGHTS BY DISROBING IN PUBLIC TO FEED.  YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MINE BEGIN AND I CHOOSE NOT TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO LITTLE CHILDREN WHOM I HAVE WITH ME AT THE PUBLIC PLACE. WE ARE NOT ANIMALS AND IF WE WANT TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT THEN SHOW OTHER PEOPLE RESPECT OF THEIR RIGHTS BY NOT PUTTING THEM IN THIS SITUATION EMBARRASSED,UNCOMFORTABLE,SHY WHATEVER IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO FLAUNT IT BECAUSE YOU CAN. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:44 am PDT

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Breastfeeding is one of the most natural things that a mother can do for a child. I am repulsed when I walk by a rest room and see that there is a "breatfeeding" station inside. Why the heck would any normal person feed their child in a bathroom. I wouldn't eat in the restroom during my lunch break, its just gross! I do try to cover my self up when I have breastfeed my children in the past, but you know some times its just not possible. It can be to hot, or just plain uncomfrontable for the child and I tell you what I will not make my child uncomfrontable because some adult has some disturbing issues about breastfeeding. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:47 am PDT

The majority

Some people keep arguing that others are telling you to go somewhere else to BF.  I have actually seen VERY FEW that have said that and those that do are idiots.  Most agree that it is perfectly fine to BF in public with modesy.
 

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October 7, 2005, 9:48 am PDT

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YOU CAN'T COMPARE KISSING AND SEX TO BREASTFEEDING A BABY?  NOT THE SAME THING.  ONE IS NEEDED FOR THE BABY TO SURVIVE AND THE OTHER IS JUST FOR PLEASURE.  BUT JUST BECAUSE THE BABY IS HUNGRY DOESN'T MEAN THE MOM CAN JUST WHIP OUT HER BREAST ANYWHERE SHE PLEASES AND MAKE OTHERS UNCOMFORTABLE.  THERE IS WAY IT CAN BE DONE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE OTHERS FEEL WEIRD.  IT'S ONLY POLITE.  JUST PUT A BLANKET OVER AND NOBODY HAS TO SEE ANYTHING.  IT IS REALLY THAT SIMPLE.  BOOBS DON'T HAVE TO BE ALL OVER THE PLACE IN PUBLIC.  PEOPLE JUST NEED TO HAVE COMMON COURTESY AND RESPECT OTHERS.  

AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH KISSING LOVED ONE EITHER.  LIKE I SAID, AS LONG AS IT'S TASTEFUL AND RESPECTFUL.  PRETTY SIMPLE STUFF I THINK 

Why cant you compare the 2. They are both natural. There are just as many people uncomfotable with breastfeeding in public as there are with kissing in public. So you should be polite and put a blanket over your head when you kiss and I will do the same when I breastfeed. OK.  BOOBS are natural and it's the mentality that boobs are for stripclubs that make this an issue. When this generation of breastfeed children grow up I pray that it is a more accepting breastfeeding country. Hopefully all of us women standing up for breastfeeding in public will make a difference and our children will have the same appreciation for it, having been breastfeed, in public and private.
 

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October 7, 2005, 9:50 am PDT

I love to see breast feeding

I am a mother but my baby days are behind me.  I love seeing women with their babies-doing anything, but especially breast feeding.  That was a very special time in my life and I enjoy being reminded of it. 

  

I can't imagine what kind of person would find seeing that connection between a mother and child offensive.  I do have great pity for Shelly-she must be very twisted and kotted up inside about the human body.  But to suggest that women breast feed in a public rest room? Totally uncomfortable, unhygenic and unpleasant.  If you are horrified by breastfeeding, how would it improve your trip to a mall to stumble upon it in a rest room instead of in the food court? 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:51 am PDT

Today's Topics

Everybody has their own opinions.......(you know how that goes.....LOL) 

  

My opinion on breastfeeding in public is this....if you can do it discreetly without showing everything then fine. I think that was the big debate not breastfeeding itself. 

And for those breast feeders here that think just because a baby gets a bottle/formula that somehow messes them up and you don't bond as well....that is a bunch of hooey. 

  

Discipline in public;  I think that if you can't or don't see what your kids are doing then don't take them out.  The woman on the show today obviously couldn't control her kids in public settings. 

I mean for goodness sakes when your own Pastor tells you to only bring them one at a time.......how embarrassing.  And now she's adding a 4th child to the mix........AI, YI, YI !!!!! 

  

Condoms at School; I don't believe condoms should be passed out in school. School is for academics not teaching your kids about the do's and don't of sex.  Teach your kids at home people !!!  Teachers have a big enough job as it is !!! 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:52 am PDT

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Quote From: ruannon

My 8 week old baby was born with a condition which requires that I breastfeed her on demand, wherever we happen to be...

She's a mammal.

Seriously, breastfeeding mothers do not nurse in public because we think it's attractive or beautiful, we do it because we are trying to care for our children.  It is so hard being a new mother.  I feel so isolated, at home alone with a baby all day.  That one chance that I have to go to a restaurant or a meeting, that's my lifeline.  If we further isolate new mothers by requiring them to breastfeed somewhere other than where they are, I suspect that baby abuse rates will rise.  The highlight of my day yesterday was taking my daughter to the grocery store.  It was the first time I'd been out in days.  And we nursed, in her sling.  No one saw anything (not that I really care how others feel, but *I* am uncomfortable in public if I'm not covered).

You say, "go to the bathroom or a car" but that assumes that breastfeeding is quick!  I could have to nurse my daughter for half an hour.  By then, the meeting's over, or my dinner's cold, or the movie has ended...  I'm not going to isolate myself so that you aren't uncomfortable.  If you don't like what I'm doing, look away.  Furthermore, the idea of sitting in a public bathroom for 30 minutes is hideous.  I'm a hoverer!  Where am I supposed to sit?  I had her in August - sitting in a hot car isn't an option, either.  Sure, we could leave it running and turn on the AC, but gas is $3 a gallon.  That's not fair to either of us.  And what are we supposed to do when it's below zero?  No thanks, I'll sit at the table in the restaurant and discreetly nurse my child, and if it bothers you, you can leave.

I disagree with the poster who said that "most" bathrooms have a lounge area.  I know of ONE such bathroom in my entire town, and it's on the college campus, where I rarely need to go.

I would love to be able to pump and give her a bottle, but guess what, I'm pump-resistant.  Look it up, it happens.  So I have NO option other than to breastfeed.  Would you rather see my daughter under a blanket at my breast, or hear her crying with hunger?  Babies stomachs hold a tiny amount.  They get hungry often.  Even if I feed her right before we leave, by the time we get anywhere, she needs to eat again. 

It is legal for me to breastfeed in public in my state, thank God.  I have nursed at Walmart, at Kroger, at Panera Bread, at Applebee's, and at multiple doctor's offices.  When my daughter is hungry, she eats.  If you don't like it, you're "portable" too. 

Good for you. Keep it up. You are a great mom. I know very well that feeling of isolation when you're at home all the time, and trying to be a good mom to a demanding baby. 

I joined the MOMS club in my local town both before and after I moved, and they welcome babies to all their meetings and events, and encourage nursing moms to nurse at meetings and events, too. 

 
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