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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 5, 2005, 7:10 am PDT

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Quote From: mothermoon

Why bring co-sleeping into this.  Many familes co-sleep, most peoples reasons for it do not include because they BF, its their lifestlye and they believe the family bed is best for their family. Lets not bring stereotyping into an already heated topic. 

I do however see the  point you are trying to make, but like so many people they think that is the sole purpose of co-sleeping. But this is a whole other subject.  

actually, the post before me brought up the co sleeping, she basically said that if you breast feed through the night that means co-sleeping and I was only responding saying that it is not neccessary to co sleep even though you do breastfeed. It is a choice. I breastfed both my girls but didn't have to co sleep doing it. so I was responding to a post.
 
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October 5, 2005, 7:28 am PDT

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Ok, I never breast feed my two girls but i also feel that there is a proper place to breast feed i mean have some kinda respect for those around u its not about the right to do it in public there is just a right and a wrong place to do it.  And as far as passing out condoms in school what the hell are u parents thinking i mean gee u are basically tells your kids thats its ok to do it because u are protected ahhh no how about u try being a parent and not hoping that the condom will do the parenting for u .. What is wrong with simple sitting down and talking to your kids about sex let them trust u enough that if they are considering it that they will at least come to you .. instead of going to a girl and say hey lets have sex my mom says its ok she even gave me protecting then they will start influsing the girls and then u have a chain reaction..
Why would it be disrespectful to anyone around me to breastfeed my baby?  Am I hurting them in some way?  Would you rather listen to my baby screaming the entire time?  Wouldn't that be more offensive?  I'm not saying that women should just walk around with their breast exposed and not show some form of modesty, but since you have two children of your own, I would think that you would understand that when your  baby is hungry, she needs to eat!  What did you do when you were out in public and your baby needed to eat?  I'm pretty sure you didn't leave the store and go home so you could have privacy.   I have gone in the bathroom to nurse, and even out to my van, and STILL got dirty looks, and I was completely covered!!!  I have an obligation to take care of her needs.  If someone else is offended by that, they're just going to have to get over it. 
 
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October 5, 2005, 7:33 am PDT

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I have an idea for those who don't like to see women nursing in public.  Whenever and wherever you see a nursing woman feeding her child in public, go complain not to the mom but to the manager, supervisor, the most important person you can find.  Tell them how wrong you feel it is, but make sure you tell them that nursing moms should have a separate "mother's" room with rocking chairs, a nice changing table, maybe some soft music playing and a vending machine with soda, coffee, snacks, etc.  A nice massage chair wouldn't be bad either.  Maybe a little play area for the older tots.  If every place I went had something like that, I'd NEVER nurse out in pubice, lol! 

  

Sorry, don't mean to make light of this topic.  But wouldn't you rather nurse in a room like that than out on some bench somewhere getting glared at?  I know I would! 

 I agree with your statement whole-heartedly!  It's so frustrating going into a place that doesn't even have a changing table!  Considering the number of people who breastfeed, there SHOULD be a mother's room in all public places.  I mean, there are just as many nursing babies (if not more) than there are people in wheelchairs...why not make a place, "nursing mother accessible"? ****Please note for those who like to find offense in other's posts, that I in no way meant this statement in a derogatory way against folks in wheelchairs****
 
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October 5, 2005, 10:02 am PDT

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actually, the post before me brought up the co sleeping, she basically said that if you breast feed through the night that means co-sleeping and I was only responding saying that it is not neccessary to co sleep even though you do breastfeed. It is a choice. I breastfed both my girls but didn't have to co sleep doing it. so I was responding to a post.

I must have missed that post. Just so you know I wasnt meaning Ill will toward you. Just  I have heard that soooooo many times, I want to scream.. 

 
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October 5, 2005, 10:03 am PDT

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When I say respectfully, I am saying that we don't have to take our clothes off or whatever, there is a modest way of breastfeeding in public, some may be able to do it easir then others but why not breastfeed respectfully? I nursed my children often when they were hungry but I never co slept with my children, it is not neccassry to co sleep to nurse often, that is also a choice. Of course I pumped before I went to bed and since I never woke my babies to feed them, I would get up and pump ususally once during the night. ANy way, whatever the case, I highly encourage breast feeding and encourage mothers to do it whenever and whereever they need to.
I usually do feel like I am doing it modestly, but if you think about the impact that has on women who are really sensitive, who actually choose formula because they're afraid of not being modest enough, all that does is hurt the baby. I'm pro-baby, so I don't care if the woman has to completely strip down to no top to breastfeed I would rather see a little boobie and nipple than listen to people trash talking, see people spitting out the side of their cars, see thongs and have to smell smoke everywhere I go. I just don't understand why this is a big issue for people. Those who have hangups about seeing boobies and babies and those who have personal flesh revealing barometers need to keep these to themselves so babies can get the best without their mommies being made to feel like second class citizens. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a boobie and women need to embrace their power as nurturers and not worry about trying to hide what they are doing.
 
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October 5, 2005, 10:08 am PDT

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Why would it be disrespectful to anyone around me to breastfeed my baby?  Am I hurting them in some way?  Would you rather listen to my baby screaming the entire time?  Wouldn't that be more offensive?  I'm not saying that women should just walk around with their breast exposed and not show some form of modesty, but since you have two children of your own, I would think that you would understand that when your  baby is hungry, she needs to eat!  What did you do when you were out in public and your baby needed to eat?  I'm pretty sure you didn't leave the store and go home so you could have privacy.   I have gone in the bathroom to nurse, and even out to my van, and STILL got dirty looks, and I was completely covered!!!  I have an obligation to take care of her needs.  If someone else is offended by that, they're just going to have to get over it. 

Right on!!!!,.... 

It doesnt matter to me how many times someone could plead there case to me about not BFing in public, ..they are wrong in my eyes.  these people need to move on.. look the other way and grow  up!!!!! 

What they probably  dont realize is that ..(depending on your age)..there never was a such thing as formula...and their mothers probably BFed in PUBLIC..oh no!!!!.... 

 
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October 5, 2005, 10:15 am PDT

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I have an idea for those who don't like to see women nursing in public.  Whenever and wherever you see a nursing woman feeding her child in public, go complain not to the mom but to the manager, supervisor, the most important person you can find.  Tell them how wrong you feel it is, but make sure you tell them that nursing moms should have a separate "mother's" room with rocking chairs, a nice changing table, maybe some soft music playing and a vending machine with soda, coffee, snacks, etc.  A nice massage chair wouldn't be bad either.  Maybe a little play area for the older tots.  If every place I went had something like that, I'd NEVER nurse out in pubice, lol! 

  

Sorry, don't mean to make light of this topic.  But wouldn't you rather nurse in a room like that than out on some bench somewhere getting glared at?  I know I would! 

People have no right to make this their business. There is no need for a mother's room to nurse in. Nursing is the normal way to feed babies and women do it all over the world and have for all of time, out in public. Your personal hang ups about this are your own problem. Under the laws of the United States you can't tell a nursing mom to cover up or go hide to feed her baby. If you do you will risk a lawsuit or major embarassment when you get letters from every concerned breastfeeding organization and many Congresspeople. Is this just a backlash by a formula feeding mom who gets angry when they see people nursing? Or do you truly think there's something gross about seeing a baby getting the food designed by God to nourish him? Would you like to go see all the babies in their graves or on hospitals from necrotizing enterocolitis, pneumonia, etc. etc. etc. because their mommies chose not to breastfeed them? 

Complaining to the manager won't do a lot of good. Even if it's an uninformed manager who doesn't know about the rights of women, eventually you'll still have to deal with your disgust with seeing boobies in a nonsexual context. 

I will continue to breastfeed my baby wherever I want. I dare anyone to try to stop me or tell me I'm being indecent by doing what is best for my son. I will not hide just to give my son a snack or even a 45 minute meal at the table in front of everyone, because there's nothing wrong with it. You don't own the right to tell me or anyone not to use their bodies to give life and health. 

I never heard anyone tell a formula mommy to go hide to feed her baby a bottle, so why would you try to impose restrictions on feeding the best nourishment there is? 

 
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October 5, 2005, 10:27 am PDT

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Quote From: jettav

When I say respectfully, I am saying that we don't have to take our clothes off or whatever, there is a modest way of breastfeeding in public, some may be able to do it easir then others but why not breastfeed respectfully? I nursed my children often when they were hungry but I never co slept with my children, it is not neccassry to co sleep to nurse often, that is also a choice. Of course I pumped before I went to bed and since I never woke my babies to feed them, I would get up and pump ususally once during the night. ANy way, whatever the case, I highly encourage breast feeding and encourage mothers to do it whenever and whereever they need to.

Well, I didn't mean to imply that you have to co-sleep to breastfeed, I just know it makes it much easier for me. I also enjoy it for its cuddling aspect. I wasn't dogging those who don't do it, I actually admire your dedication to still pump in the night to keep your supply going. I also know that a lot of women who do BF are afraid to cosleep because they're just doing what they think is best and they want the best for their kids. I was so afraid to do it that I went through major sleep deprivation in the early days nursing around the clock and sitting up trying to stay awake. I also know that it's perfectly safe to do as long as you follow a few safety guidelines. And a lot of people suffer sleep deprivation or do night time bottles because they need to sleep, I just know that with cosleeping my son and I (and my husband) all get a good night's sleep every night and my son gets to eat as much as he wants, and we're still nursing at 15 months. A lot of moms I know who don't cosleep dry up prior to 1 year. I was just putting it out there as an option although I'm not trying to offend anyone or imply that it has to be done to BF. 

Also, interestingly there was a study that showed that SIDS was higher in babies who slept in cribs than in the family bed.The rate was twice as high for crib babies. While suffocation was more likely in the family bed, the non-SIDs family bed deaths were only 1.5% of the SIDS deaths. For more information on this see www dot askdrsears dot com and search for safe sleeping articles. 

I think this has something to do with breathing in more exhaled CO2, not going into the deepest state of sleep, and also the parents being aware of when the baby stops breathing and being there to assist the baby within moments. 

 
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October 5, 2005, 11:26 am PDT

Why are we even having this discussion?

Well, I'm just an old hippie grandmother and midwife.  To me, watching a new mother bottle feed her infant in public is disgusting.  But, that's just me.  Maybe to be equitable, our society should require all public infant feeding take place in the shadows of a stinking bathroom!  Feeding of any type, breast or bottle, is an intimate time between mother and child.  But we don't as a society object to observing that intimacy when the method of feeding is a bottle. 

  

 

  

 

About a decade ago the California State Capitol installed a private feeding and pumping room outside of the Legislative Chambers, not long after they installed the first women’s bathroom off the Senate Chambers.  The “Nursing Room” was a great place for elected representatives, staff and lobbyists to hang out, pump or nurse, share working mom tips and network.  There was a lot of power in being a member of that group.  It put the “good old boys” clubs to shame!

  

 

 
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October 5, 2005, 11:35 am PDT

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Quote From: mothermoon

What is your problem with BF?....I would think that as a mother you would at least respect women who do choose to BF their children, and stand up for their rights to BF where ever and when ever needed.  I respect your choice to Formula feed ..why must you be so judgemental of other mothers ..how is this offending you that they BF. What concern is it to you.. 

I am not even a mother, ma'am. I am speaking from a young woman's point of view. I have no problem with women formula feeding their baby.
 
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