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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 5, 2005, 11:43 am PDT

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Quote From: badtrip

Well, I didn't mean to imply that you have to co-sleep to breastfeed, I just know it makes it much easier for me. I also enjoy it for its cuddling aspect. I wasn't dogging those who don't do it, I actually admire your dedication to still pump in the night to keep your supply going. I also know that a lot of women who do BF are afraid to cosleep because they're just doing what they think is best and they want the best for their kids. I was so afraid to do it that I went through major sleep deprivation in the early days nursing around the clock and sitting up trying to stay awake. I also know that it's perfectly safe to do as long as you follow a few safety guidelines. And a lot of people suffer sleep deprivation or do night time bottles because they need to sleep, I just know that with cosleeping my son and I (and my husband) all get a good night's sleep every night and my son gets to eat as much as he wants, and we're still nursing at 15 months. A lot of moms I know who don't cosleep dry up prior to 1 year. I was just putting it out there as an option although I'm not trying to offend anyone or imply that it has to be done to BF. 

Also, interestingly there was a study that showed that SIDS was higher in babies who slept in cribs than in the family bed.The rate was twice as high for crib babies. While suffocation was more likely in the family bed, the non-SIDs family bed deaths were only 1.5% of the SIDS deaths. For more information on this see www dot askdrsears dot com and search for safe sleeping articles. 

I think this has something to do with breathing in more exhaled CO2, not going into the deepest state of sleep, and also the parents being aware of when the baby stops breathing and being there to assist the baby within moments. 

Baby's copy the breathing of someone in the room with them. Hearing someone else breath is like a reminder to them to breath too.  Even having your baby in his/her crib in your room is a help.  Also, the stats about babies being suffocated in adult beds don't take into consideration that some of the time there is alcohol and/or drugs involved.  A parent who is high on anything is far less likely to notice they've rolled on a baby.  It's a sad fact, but a fact nonetheless.   

  

Happily co-sleeping in Eastern Canada 

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 11:48 am PDT

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Ok, I never breast feed my two girls but i also feel that there is a proper place to breast feed i mean have some kinda respect for those around u its not about the right to do it in public there is just a right and a wrong place to do it.  And as far as passing out condoms in school what the hell are u parents thinking i mean gee u are basically tells your kids thats its ok to do it because u are protected ahhh no how about u try being a parent and not hoping that the condom will do the parenting for u .. What is wrong with simple sitting down and talking to your kids about sex let them trust u enough that if they are considering it that they will at least come to you .. instead of going to a girl and say hey lets have sex my mom says its ok she even gave me protecting then they will start influsing the girls and then u have a chain reaction..

  

why would it be wrong to meet my babies needs in public? I live 20 minutes from town, so I would have to drive 20 min to come home and feed my son?  Why can't people who don't like it just look the other way?  I'd a whole lot rather see someone nursing a baby than letting 89% of their boobs hang out of their shirts! lol 

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 11:51 am PDT

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Why bring co-sleeping into this.  Many familes co-sleep, most peoples reasons for it do not include because they BF, its their lifestlye and they believe the family bed is best for their family. Lets not bring stereotyping into an already heated topic. 

I do however see the  point you are trying to make, but like so many people they think that is the sole purpose of co-sleeping. But this is a whole other subject.  

Interestingly enough, BF'ing WAS the sole purpose of our family bed.  It's what started it, and it's what kept it going. I struggle mightily to BF, I have a very hard time with supply, and I decided to try the family bed in an attempt to nurse longer.  It helped a lot.  If I didn't have this issue, would I family bed?  I'm not completely sure.  I'm more sold on it now than I was 3 yrs ago - I did NOT want to do it, but I wanted to nurse badly enough to try anything. 

  

I enjoy it now, but I really don't know if I would do it without the BF issue.  Very probably not. 

  

just a different perspective is all 

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 11:55 am PDT

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 Not too long ago, there was a boat load of refugees from Haiti floating in the ocean.  They were out of food and out of fresh water.  They only way they survived was because of a breastfeeding mother who shared her milk (after baby of course) so that they would not die.  Is that wrong???

I'd hope they expressed the milk out before sharing. :) 

  

Breastmilk is good for a lot of things.  Squirt some in your eye to clear up an eye infection, use it to clear up an older childs viral infection, SO many uses for it.  Expressed milk is certainly nothing evil and is very useful in many circumstances. Wrong? not at all. 

  

If they all took turns nursing on the mom? Yeah. I'd have an issue with that.  Milk can be hand expressed!    

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 1:42 pm PDT

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I am the mother of a 2 year old girl who was breastfed for 6 months.  It is unbelieveable that people are so embarrassed and ignorant when it comes to this subject.  Unless the mother has a medical condition that prevents breastfeeding, all babies should be breastfed.  At one time breastmilk was the only nourishment an infant could get.  If any individual thinks that it is inappropriate for a woman to feed her child in a public place maybe they should try eating in the same areas they want women to nurse.  I have heard of instances where women were asked to leave public areas and ask specifcally to breastfeed in restrooms.  Would you want your meal served to you in a public toilet?  I think not.  My philosophy is this IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT; DON'T LOOK!! 

  

Proud Breastfeeder in SC 

 
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October 5, 2005, 2:20 pm PDT

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Quote From: divableu21

Exceptionally well put. This really isn't just a moral or medical issue. So many myths circulate about sex and human anatomy, it is simply astonishing. Sexual education, at least from a medical standpoint needs to be taught. There are many people my age (22-25 range) who still don't know exactly how a baby is created. All they know is that sex is somehow involved. That is so sad, if schools at the very very least taught just this bare minimum, and allowed parents to take care of the ethical stuff, we'd be in somewhat better shape
It's almost funny you mention the issue of so many people not understanding reproduction. When I was about 9 years old I went to a the Museum of Natural Science and History in Ft. Worth. There was a reproductive area that showed the stages of development of human babies. There was a little fetus in one of the glass jars, a real one tha was a lost baby. I thought that was pretty gross and sad and morbid, but anyway I got to talking about miscarriage with my friend's grandma, and she told me you poop out babies when you have a miscarriage. Coming from someone who had 2 kids I thought she should no better. I said, that's not true you don't poop them out, and she said, yes you do! I have no idea why a woman would tell that to a child. I could only figure she was embarassed to talk about the female organs, maybe she had a vagina phobia.
 
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October 5, 2005, 2:20 pm PDT

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Quote From: missjane2

Am I for Real?  I think maybe I should be asking you this when you say: "A very long time ago, women who were lactating would nurse the elderly, so they could keep up their strength." 

  

***gasps***** Woah!  breastfeeding grandma?  Now this is crossing the line!  I would go as far to call it sacreligous. 

Now comforting a screaming two year old tantrum with breastfeeding is one thing, but breastfeeding grandma is wrong.  There are a whole lot of other ways to provide grandma with strength.  But that subject probably doesn't belong on the Dr. Phil show, but on the Jerry Springer show. 

Well, it's obvious that maybe you need to do a little bit more research before making comments. On one hand, it's not OK to breastfeed in public but it's OK if it's going to calm down a 2 year old and his tantrum? Ok... which is it? And as for the Jerry Springer comment- I won't even make any suggestions. I think it's just very sad the way you think. I think it's very sad that our society has labeled breasts as sexual objects and made it a "sexual" thing to breastfeed a toddler. Why aren't we focusing more on people that ARE actually out there looking to prey on children and continue to encourage a natural, healthy bond?! Just sad, really.
 
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October 5, 2005, 2:23 pm PDT

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Quote From: divableu21

Here's my twelve cents: 

I am a twenty-something college student and I work with young prenant teenagers. I know that many of you feel that handing condoms out in school is teaching children that it is okay to have sex. However, many of you are failing to realize that without proper education about sex, many young women end up having sex because they truly don't know any better. Also, you could say till you're blue in the face NOT to have sex (until marriage), but some teens will do it anyways. If they don't have the knowledge about how to protect themselves, then they could end up being parents before they are ready. My youngest client is ten years old. And yes, she is seven months pregnant. Her parents never ever spoke to her about sex, and her school didn't cover the topic either, so she learned all that she knew about sex from second-hand and tertiary sources. Now she is pregnant with no support from her family--they thought she should know better, even though they never talked to her about how to protect herself and say no.  

Now I also know that there are many of you out there who feel that parents should be responsible for talking to their children about sex. However, there are so many parents out there who either don't feel comfortable about the subject themselves or weren't educated enough themselves to talk to their children. It becomes difficult to educate someone or tell them to say know when you yourself know so little about the subject. It also becomes a matter of do as I say and not as I do. There are quite a few hypocrite parents out there who say NO CONDOMS, but they themselves had children as teens out of wedlock, etc etc.  

I'm not saying that condoms should be shoved in childrens' faces, but they do need some knowledge of how to use them. At least at school, the kids will get the correct information. Parents may not know all of the science about everything, but our kids do need to be equipped to face reality. Because, whether you want to hear it or not, there WILL come a time when your son/daughter is faced with a decision about sex. If they make the decision to take that leap, at least they can do it safely. 

If more schools offered sex education and at least showed how to use condoms (maybe not even allow kids to take them) and parents were willing to learn a little as well, then I wouldn't be mentoring a ten year old who is about to become a mother. 

I also think it would be a good idea for every girl to keep a condom at all times. If she gets sexually assaulted she might have a chance to lie and say, "I have AIDS, here use this condom to protect yourself" and convince the attacker to do so so she herself will be safer. I know this sounds a little silly but it's something to think about.
 
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October 5, 2005, 2:40 pm PDT

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Quote From: mrsmedic

Interestingly enough, BF'ing WAS the sole purpose of our family bed.  It's what started it, and it's what kept it going. I struggle mightily to BF, I have a very hard time with supply, and I decided to try the family bed in an attempt to nurse longer.  It helped a lot.  If I didn't have this issue, would I family bed?  I'm not completely sure.  I'm more sold on it now than I was 3 yrs ago - I did NOT want to do it, but I wanted to nurse badly enough to try anything. 

  

I enjoy it now, but I really don't know if I would do it without the BF issue.  Very probably not. 

  

just a different perspective is all 

  

I agree most families have started the family bed based on the sole purpose of BF'ing. I guess I meant that most families these days are more intersted in the idea of the family bed period rather then it being based on a sole purpose. 

I commend you for sticking it out and doing what was best for your family. I had stated in previous posts here on this subject that I wasnt able to BF my 1 yr old due to a unexpected medical condition that required medications that secrete in the milk.  

But despite that I strongly believe in Breastfeeding and all the aspects surrounding it and will be the first to stand up and say not to tell me where and when I can whip it out and feed my child ...lol. 

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 3:03 pm PDT

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Quote From: isis59

Well, it's obvious that maybe you need to do a little bit more research before making comments. On one hand, it's not OK to breastfeed in public but it's OK if it's going to calm down a 2 year old and his tantrum? Ok... which is it? And as for the Jerry Springer comment- I won't even make any suggestions. I think it's just very sad the way you think. I think it's very sad that our society has labeled breasts as sexual objects and made it a "sexual" thing to breastfeed a toddler. Why aren't we focusing more on people that ARE actually out there looking to prey on children and continue to encourage a natural, healthy bond?! Just sad, really.
OK OK OK.  Let's BACK, BACK, BACK, BACK, BACK UP!  All right I don't even want to go there... BUT Let's retrack and clarify.  1st My first comment was that Mother's who breastfeed older children meaning close to Kindergarden might make an interesting discussion which it has.  AND YOU ALL HAVE ENLIGHTENED ME and I WOULD GO AS FAR AS TO SAY SHOCKED ME that you include BREASTFEEDING THE ELDERLY in your pursuit.  Now I don't have a problem at all with breastfeeding babies and I am ok with comforting toddlers.  I don't think it is sexual at all.  NOW I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BREASTFEEDING THE ELDERLY and it is kind of Sexual.  And I still believe it belongs on the Jerry Springer show with the adults who wear diapers in public.  And if it is not sexual to breastfeed the elderly.  It is at least WEIRD.  At least in my opinion. 
 
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