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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 5, 2005, 4:09 pm PDT

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OK OK OK.  Let's BACK, BACK, BACK, BACK, BACK UP!  All right I don't even want to go there... BUT Let's retrack and clarify.  1st My first comment was that Mother's who breastfeed older children meaning close to Kindergarden might make an interesting discussion which it has.  AND YOU ALL HAVE ENLIGHTENED ME and I WOULD GO AS FAR AS TO SAY SHOCKED ME that you include BREASTFEEDING THE ELDERLY in your pursuit.  Now I don't have a problem at all with breastfeeding babies and I am ok with comforting toddlers.  I don't think it is sexual at all.  NOW I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BREASTFEEDING THE ELDERLY and it is kind of Sexual.  And I still believe it belongs on the Jerry Springer show with the adults who wear diapers in public.  And if it is not sexual to breastfeed the elderly.  It is at least WEIRD.  At least in my opinion. 

I don't think people would really nurse an elderly person, though expressed breast milk would be ok. It offers a lot of health benefits. It could be fed in a tube if the person was on a feeding tube, it could be fed in a cup or incorporated into a tea when someone is sick. It tastes better than regular cow's milk and is easier to digest, so I can see where it might be of great benefit to an elderly person.  

As for nursing kindergarteners, I can't say that I want to do that personally out in public but I don't think it's wrong to do it. I don't have a problem with it but I imagine by the time my son is 3 or 4 he will have weaned already. 

 
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October 5, 2005, 5:28 pm PDT

I breastfed my daughter and if you ever told

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In my opinion, I do not think women should breastfeed in public. That is not ladylike at all. If you need to do that, go find a restroom or someplace where you can have privacy. Now about the sex education, schools should not give out condoms. That is a big NO NO! Leave anything personal and private to the parents, not the teachers. Its the parents job to tell their children about sex and other things too.

ME to feed my child in a toilet I would look at you and say the day you eat your lunch in a public restroom is the day I will feed mine in a rest room. 

  

And if you want our babies to be fed in private I suggest you start a fund to renovate public areas to accomodate our children. 

  

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October 5, 2005, 5:44 pm PDT

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I breastfed one of my 4 kids for 12 months.  The others I didn't.  I really don't remember breastfeeding in public.  Although it doesn't bother me to see a mom breastfeed her baby WITHOUT TEETH in public.  What would be an interesting subject is talking to mom's who breastfeed their older children.....??????  Kindergarden?  And that's not funny, but they have that Le Leche Club thing and some woman either culturally or for whatever reason go beyond what is necessarily.  At least in my opinion.  Anyone else ever hear of this?

"And that's not funny, but they have that Le Leche Club thing and some woman either culturally or for whatever reason go beyond what is necessarily.  At least in my opinion.  Anyone else ever hear of this?" 

  

Well MissJane...... 

 

I have heard of "this."  

 

What do you mean go beyond what is necessary? I will tell you what the Surgeon General and American Academy of Pediatrics say............ 

 

It is recommended that a child be breastfed for the first 12 months.  

 

So, what do you mean? 

 
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October 5, 2005, 6:12 pm PDT

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OK OK OK.  Let's BACK, BACK, BACK, BACK, BACK UP!  All right I don't even want to go there... BUT Let's retrack and clarify.  1st My first comment was that Mother's who breastfeed older children meaning close to Kindergarden might make an interesting discussion which it has.  AND YOU ALL HAVE ENLIGHTENED ME and I WOULD GO AS FAR AS TO SAY SHOCKED ME that you include BREASTFEEDING THE ELDERLY in your pursuit.  Now I don't have a problem at all with breastfeeding babies and I am ok with comforting toddlers.  I don't think it is sexual at all.  NOW I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BREASTFEEDING THE ELDERLY and it is kind of Sexual.  And I still believe it belongs on the Jerry Springer show with the adults who wear diapers in public.  And if it is not sexual to breastfeed the elderly.  It is at least WEIRD.  At least in my opinion. 
If you go back and read what the OP was referring to, it was a long time ago and it helped heal the sick. She didn't say that they held their grandparents to the breast and had them suckle. Quite frankly though, if we lived back then, it might not have seemed odd. Society has done a good job (including people like yourself) to sexualize breastfeeding. I don't remember ANYONE saying we wanted to add bfing older people in our pursuit. I think you're trying to take one thing someone said out of complete context to make your statements seem justified. It's just not going to happen. And unless you've PERSONALLY breastfed a 5 year old, I don't think it's fair to comment on them being weird. In most cultures (not only human but animal cultures) you'd be the oddball.
 
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October 5, 2005, 6:41 pm PDT

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"And that's not funny, but they have that Le Leche Club thing and some woman either culturally or for whatever reason go beyond what is necessarily.  At least in my opinion.  Anyone else ever hear of this?" 

  

Well MissJane...... 

 

I have heard of "this."  

 

What do you mean go beyond what is necessary? I will tell you what the Surgeon General and American Academy of Pediatrics say............ 

 

It is recommended that a child be breastfed for the first 12 months.  

 

So, what do you mean? 

she means those of us who believe in child led weaning, when our kidlets wean themselves. Sometimes around the age of 3 or  4.   

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 6:45 pm PDT

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In my opinion, I do not think women should breastfeed in public. That is not ladylike at all. If you need to do that, go find a restroom or someplace where you can have privacy.  

 

I have to admit to laughing at this. What could be more feminine than breastfeeding?  Sure it's ladylike.  And as for finding a restroom... ewwwww..  How many of you would eat in a public washroom?  It makes me sick to even think about it! And with those hand dryers blowing the germs all through the air it's that much worse.   

  

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 6:51 pm PDT

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Although it doesn't bother me to see a mom breastfeed her baby WITHOUT TEETH in public.  

  

How do you now if the baby has teeth??  And what differance does that make?? 

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 7:36 pm PDT

What is ladylike?

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In my opinion, I do not think women should breastfeed in public. That is not ladylike at all. If you need to do that, go find a restroom or someplace where you can have privacy. Now about the sex education, schools should not give out condoms. That is a big NO NO! Leave anything personal and private to the parents, not the teachers. Its the parents job to tell their children about sex and other things too.

So what is ladylike to you?  I bet you still wear only dresses & skirts with white gloves kind of like in stepford wives.  Why should I be forced out of view to feed my little angel?  At first I was nervous feeding her at the park, now I do it all the time.  I just put a blanket over her head or if it is a bit warm I make sure to wear a nursing shirt so when my baby is eating it looks like she is just resting on my lap. 

Get over it, women bf in public all the time in other countries with no problems at all and are still seen as "ladylike".  Next time you want to eat go sit in a public restroom, I bet the smell is non to pleasant.  How do yo think it smells to a baby who is trying to eat, I bet not all to good. 

 
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October 5, 2005, 7:43 pm PDT

Would you eat in a washroom?

Many people have posted the same thoughts that I have.  If done discreetly you should be able to feed your baby wherever you choose. 

  

What I don't agree with is when moms resort to feeding their babies in public washrooms because they are afraid of being criticized in public.  Would you eat in a washroom?  Why should your child!?  Please people....give us moms a break.  We are providing our baby with the best nourishment available.  Why attack us for that? 

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 8:09 pm PDT

condoms don't protect that well...

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I also think it would be a good idea for every girl to keep a condom at all times. If she gets sexually assaulted she might have a chance to lie and say, "I have AIDS, here use this condom to protect yourself" and convince the attacker to do so so she herself will be safer. I know this sounds a little silly but it's something to think about.

I think we need to approach teens and sex with the same message we approach them with about drugs and smoking.  we are strong with our teachings that these are UNHEALTHYand often DANGEROUS behaviors.  teens having sex is also dangerous, especially younger teens and adolescents.   

We don't tell kids, "you shouldn't smoke, but if you decide to go ahead, here are some light cigarettes."  We send the message, "Don't Smoke!"  Kids need to know that sexual activity may lead to STDs and AIDs, AND that Condoms DO NOT fully protect them.  Also, STDs or not, pregnancy or not, there are serious EMOTIONAL and PSYCHOLOGICAL consequences that go along with early sexual activity.   WHY are we telling our kids that it's ok if they make that decision, just use a condom???  That's like telling them it's ok to use drugs, just be careful about it.  that would be irresponsible, not to mention insane!  

IF a girl were to be assaulted, it is doubtful that the perpetrator would use a condom.  It's usually not about the sex, but about control. Also, since you mentioned that argument, IF she were to take him to court, he could use that against her, calling it consent...but that's a whole other issue.   

No, I think our girls need to be protected by family members, fathers, education and self esteem.  Don't give your daughters a water pistol, then send them into a hungry lion's den.   

  

  

 
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