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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 8:34 am PDT

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I couldn't help but offer my opinions on these controversial questons.  As far as breastfeeding in public, I have to say that I was very nervous when my daughter was born because I didn't  think  I would   feel comofortable breastfeeding in public, but it's different once you have your baby.  I think that there are two extremes when it comes to breastfeeding in public.  Breastfeeding is natural and beautiful, not to mention essential to your child's health and well-being.  However, we do need to hold some standards of modesty in public.  I believe it's perfectly ok to breastfeed in public, as long as you are covered up.  I always kind of cringe when I see the woman who walks into the grocery store with a baby on her breast, baring it all for the world to see.  To me, breastfeeding is something sacred and should be done with some sort of modesty out in public. 

I DO NOT think that schools should be handing out condoms.  That is sending the WRONG message to children and I don't think it's the school's place.  Parents should be teaching their children about sex.  I think when we leave such topics up to a school to teach, there's bound to be chaos.  Our schools have enough trouble teaching our children in reading and writing.  Leave sex education up to the parents.  There are other places that children can get condoms if they so wish to do so.  (such as Planned Parenthood). 

I also do not belive that anyone else has a right to discipline your child if you are there.  If  your child is with another parent and you are not there, they need to be able to discipline your child. However, it would be a good idea to discuss acceptable discipline methods ahead of time.  I think if you are out in public and your child is acting up, it is nobody else's business to step in.  I know there have been many times I have WANTED to step in, but to do so would be rude and really wouldn't solve a thing except to offend the parent, which in turn would probably make things worse for the child!  If you see a parent abusing their child, however, then it MAY be appropriate to say somthing. 
I absolutley agree that it would be better if the parents discussed birth control / abstinence with their children.  However..... you have to enter the discussion with an open mind and not just say "don't have premarital sex or else!!!".  In that instance your children wouldn't tell you if they did decide to engage in sex with someone.  Personally I would rather know because I would buy the condoms myself.  That would be much better than getting pregnant or contracting an STD
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:35 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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I am going to be blasted for this. I think that parents of kids whose behavior is extreme in public should be arrested for child neglect. 

  

What is extreme you may ask? 

  

1.   In a store. Tearing things up. Cursing. Screaming. Hitting their parents. 

           Why? 

If this was an adult they would be arrested. 

We should teach our children that there is a time and place for everything and they should be respectful of others. You are doing your child a disservice by allowing them to behave in a manner that is not appropriate. 

  

Yes I do have kids. Five and Four. At home, it's no holds barred. In public, you will behave. No I do not want to discipline your children, thats your job. How ever you see fit. Time out, whuppins, revoking rewards, what ever.  

  

  

  

Even though I do not want to discipline your child I will redirect them.  

  

2.   If your child is kicking my chair I will politely ask them to stop. If this continues I will speak to the parent. 

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Yes, it is great when children behave in public, but nobody can control another person's choices. I can't control my son's choices. Yes, I can redirect him. But if I choose not to redirect or discipline the way you would have done it, which apparently must be the most effective way, I should be arrested? I have taught hundreds of students and there are always those who will get out of control. Does that mean that teachers should be arrested when their students act up? I think a better idea is to do what you do, verbal redirection if the child is in danger or kicking your chair. Unfortunately lots of parents these days aren't as effective at guiding their children as the rest of the world would like. But I don't think they need to be thrown in jail for it. That's absurd. The foster care system is already flooded as it is for people who TRULY neglect or abuse their kids. 

  

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:36 am PDT

show some respect!!!!

I strongly disagree with the Mom on the show arguing for breastfeeding in public and I wish I could have been there to ask her a question.  She said that she can do it anywhere, anytime, and she doesn't give a hoot if anyone is strongly offended.  What I would like to know is this:  If she is in a classy restaurant with 100 other people, all who are at least slightly uncomfortable with public breastfeeding... is she saying that all 100 people should get up and leave just because one person wants to whip out her breast and feed her child at the table?  I'm sorry- have some consideration for the public.  If you are making more than one person uncomfortable and there is something you can do about it, then do it.  Most bathrooms these days have chairs or couches... sit there while you do it.  Go to your car.  Bring a bottle with you when you know you will be in public.  Put a blanket over yourself.  There are so many options.   

  

Yes I know it's natural to breastfeed- but people are grossed out when men scratch their genitals in public.  Scratching is a totally natural thing to do- the fingers are made to scratch just as the breast is made to feed.  If you can breastfeed, they should be able to scratch their genitals. 

  

What about the young children around? We are trying to teach them modesty and respect, yet a ten year old boy, just becoming curious about the opposite sex, should have to see a woman with her breast exposed?   

  

You want to breastfeed, that's your decision and I respect it.  Do it at home, do it in the car, do it in the bathroom, do it in the back of the room or someplace where you aren't in full view.  Be modest and respectful. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:36 am PDT

Grow up

 i'm only 18yrs old and i do not have any child, yes i do want some one day and when i do i will be breast feeding. My mother breast fed me and my 2 brother, i can remember when she used to go to the door while breast feedin my youngest brother and pay the milk man. i have been told that when u breast feed u can also bottle feed, but i am aware that sometimes the child may take to the bottle then not back to the breast, and some children may not take to the bottle at all. Now for me i want to breast feed because i feel it builds a great bond with your child. I was breast fed and i feel i have a great bond with my mother, we get along so well and alot of people even take us for sisters. So when i have kids i want to breast feed, i do not want to bottle feed because i dont want to take the chance of my child not taking back to the breast. So here is my question, say one day i take my child to the park and the park is about 45min-an hour away, my child starts crying and wants fed, what am i supposed to do, go home travel all the way home with a screaming hungry child just to feed it? to be honest i dont think so i feel that breast feeding is human nature, every woman has breasts, breasts are there for feeding your child so what is the problem? if a mother choses not to breast feed that is her decision, i feel its best for the child and i want to, and if i do i think i should have the freedom to feed my child when he/ she is hungry and needing fed. no one is asking for people to watch if you have a problem with it, turn away, i dont care about it being attractive or not, your a mother it shouldnt matter. i dont see a problem with it at all, and to be dead honest i dont see why people do, its not like you actually seeing anything.
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:37 am PDT

my experience

First of all, I must say I am surprised at the intensity that individuals show against breastfeeding. It is a bit odd to me that people are so offended by something that is completely natural, such that every mammal on this planet does it! I think that says something about how sexualized breasts are in our society.   

  

In my own experience modest breastfeeding in public is not as easy as people have presented it.  I am not willing to sit on an unsanitary toilet to feed my son (would you want to gets stranger's urine on your pants?).  Oftentimes resturants, grocery stores, and other public places do not have chairs available in the restrooms to nurse.  Even if they do, sometimes it is not desirable to sneak away to breastfeed, sufch as when I am in the middle of a meal.  And believe me, breastfeeding moms need to eat, because they are eating for two and burn calories in milk production! 

  

I often attempt to place a blanket over myself and my 7 month old when breadtfeeding in public, but he is such a wiggly worm, he almost always pulls it right off!  Plus he likes to take breaks and look around, making it difficult to stay covered!  But I do my best! 

  

Please give some understanding to young mothers, who are trying their best to provide for their child while navigating all of life's necessary tasks (shopping, eating, etc.)  They may be feeling even more embarrassed than you!  

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:39 am PDT

My experience

I breast-fed both of my daughters.  I would have to plan each trip away from home very stragegically.  When babies are small, even the shortest trip is going to include at least one feeding session.  Each time I would choose the best way to do it.  Sometimes I ended up in the back seat of the car, alot of times I ended up perched on a toilet in the ladies bathroom, talk about uncomfortable.  You also have to be careful not to touch anything in the bathroom before touching your breast to get the baby to latch on.  At church I would go to an empty Sunday school room.  I tried not to offend anyone and many times I would ask the people I was with if it would offend them if I fed my daughter in front of them.  I never exposed more skin than was absolutely necessary.  Feeding my baby was never about what was most "attractive" but it was always about doing what I had to do at the time to get them fed while being sensitive to those around me.  It wasn't always easy, but it was always worth it.  I wouldn't change a thing
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:40 am PDT

Condoms

Dr. Phil cited some stats about unwanted pregnancies. The reason they are lower is because of early abortions done with or without parental consent. Of course Planned Parenthood puts out stats like that. They want you to think that contraception works so we'll keep endorsing it, encouraging kids to get pregnant, and eventually giving them more abortions to charge their patients for. It's a huge money-making machine for them, and we better wake up and see it for what it is.  

  

Contraception (in any form) not only is ineffective, it also sends an untrue message to the other partner, that I give myself to you totally, forever. If done in marriage, it is a lie. You are not giving your whole self. You are holding part of yourself back, physically your ability to bring about new life and mentally, emotionally, sprititually, your desire to be completely united to your spouse. If done before marriage it is an even bigger lie. You are not united. You have not taken any vows. It is a lie with the body, and this is very damaging, not only physically, but emotionally, mentally and spiritually.  

  

Unwed couples of any age should be totally abstinent, and this is not unrealistic if they are raised in a moral environment. Give your children lots of physical affection when they are young, get rid of the TV, homeschool your kids, do whatever it takes to bring them up right, and they won't seek out those types of comfort and pleasure when they get to be that age. They will have all their emotional needs filled because of your loving approach to them.  

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:40 am PDT

Passing out Condoms is giving permission

  

At my daughters school they have a nursery.  So all the high school girls can bring there babies to school. To me that is wrong!!!! Your giving the message that it's ok to do that kind of stuff.  It's not. People should be teaching there kids morals. 15 year olds coming to school with babies - there just babies themselves. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:41 am PDT

other peoples children

I am a single parent of a very well behaved five year old boy with another child on the way. I do not want complete stranger to correct my children. If my son acts up he knows who he has to answer to and he will look at anyone else like they are crazy. Don't get me wrong though there have been many times that I just want to grab a parent and say what is your problem your child is acting like a wild animal control them. But I control myself and smile knowing that I have done a good enough job that my son knows how to act in public. Also another thing that bugs me about parents. I am a waitress and I don't understand how a parent can come into a place and let their child or children make a complete disaster out of the area surrounding the table they are sitting at and just get up and leave. Do you as a parent care what people think about you. Would you leave your house like that. No wonder you kids act up they do learn from example. As for my child if he is doing something wrong come to me I will fix the problem that is my job!!!!
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:43 am PDT

Diciplining children

When I was growing up I knew that the next door neighbor was very likely to correct me if she caught me doing something wrong and my parents were not present.  You knew you had more eyes on you than just your partents and it was a deterent.  Today kids know that if the neighbor sees them doing something wrong, smoking for example, they are very likely to mind their own business.  They count on people keeping to themselves and so when they are away from home they feel they are free to do what they want and it will not get back to Mom and Dad.  We knew that if we were caught or seen  by another adult it was going to get back to Mom and Dad and it made you think twice before getting into trouble.
 
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